Exceed the speed limit? Ever?
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DukeDickson said:
WD39 said:
Yes, travelling at a speed which is safe and safe for only them. This perspective does not take into account other drivers.
This is the unpredictable factor.
Since I left my 'boy racer' days behind me and became a 'slower' driver, (not tortoise speed) and kept to the posted limits I have become a more relaxed driver and am at last enjoying it and not charging about in a thoughtless and irresponsible manner.
That is not to say that I don't exceed the limit on occasion, but it's rare and not a default position.
I hope that you get the right advice.
Going a bit quicker at the right times than the generally accepted norm isn't remotely thoughtless or irresponsible. I can pretty much guarantee that without actually thinking as such, .
I certainly hope that you 'think' before exercising the right hoof.This is the unpredictable factor.
Since I left my 'boy racer' days behind me and became a 'slower' driver, (not tortoise speed) and kept to the posted limits I have become a more relaxed driver and am at last enjoying it and not charging about in a thoughtless and irresponsible manner.
That is not to say that I don't exceed the limit on occasion, but it's rare and not a default position.
I hope that you get the right advice.
Going a bit quicker at the right times than the generally accepted norm isn't remotely thoughtless or irresponsible. I can pretty much guarantee that without actually thinking as such, .
Edited by WD39 on Sunday 10th April 20:46
vonhosen said:
Kawasicki said:
vonhosen said:
It will be more than trivial I can assure you & it's got to get past the Police before it even gets to them. The CPS won't even get to make a judgement because it won't get to them unless there is considerable evidence of extended unreasonableness & inconvenience.
Yes, I imagine it would have to be incredibly slow to bring a charge. Merely inconveniencing or being inconsiderate of other road users is not likely to have any consequences.Edited by WD39 on Sunday 10th April 20:05
Pan Pan Pan said:
Just checked several driving test web sites, including those of advanced driving courses, and it seems that driving at 10mph or more below a posted limit is considered to be driving without due care and attention to other road users.
One of the driving test websites stated that where road and weather conditions allow, a driver should always try to drive at the posted limit.
10 mph slower! that's nothing. In our modern motoring world, apart from MW / DC, most of us will be travelling at much lower speeds due to the sheer weight of traffic and other considerations.One of the driving test websites stated that where road and weather conditions allow, a driver should always try to drive at the posted limit.
(unless you happen to live in the Highlands and Islands of course.)
Edited by WD39 on Sunday 10th April 20:47
Max_Torque said:
Unfortunately, the "LAW" is an ass ;-)
in 1963, cars looked like this, and the motorway limit was set (very reasonably) at 70mph:
In 2016, cars look like this:
And the limit is..........
I can't think of another set of laws so out-of-touch with the real world. Remember, in the 1960's it was illegal to be gay, pubs shut their doors well before midnight, "Europe" didn't exist and peoples idea of a beach holiday was 5 days in Torquay!
As it becomes easier and easier to routinely exceed these ridiculous limits by large margins in modern cars, it simply re-enforces a disregard for the law in the average driver. And hence, you'll see day on day, a huge number of people exceeding limits where it DOES matter (like 30mph in a confined built up area, where 10mph might be too fast)
A Capri in 63? (front row, could be a septic of course.)in 1963, cars looked like this, and the motorway limit was set (very reasonably) at 70mph:
In 2016, cars look like this:
And the limit is..........
I can't think of another set of laws so out-of-touch with the real world. Remember, in the 1960's it was illegal to be gay, pubs shut their doors well before midnight, "Europe" didn't exist and peoples idea of a beach holiday was 5 days in Torquay!
As it becomes easier and easier to routinely exceed these ridiculous limits by large margins in modern cars, it simply re-enforces a disregard for the law in the average driver. And hence, you'll see day on day, a huge number of people exceeding limits where it DOES matter (like 30mph in a confined built up area, where 10mph might be too fast)
WD39 said:
Odd to you maybe, but every day driving to many a folk.
Unusual behaviour - usually that sort of driver just does 45 everywhere. Actually varying their speed between dead on 40 and 50 where the limit changes between 50 and 60 is unusual.If they were intending to be safer by driving 10mph under the speed limit, the place they would have got the most benefit would have been the 30mph zone, which was the one place they didn't do it.
WD39 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Just checked several driving test web sites, including those of advanced driving courses, and it seems that driving at 10mph or more below a posted limit is considered to be driving without due care and attention to other road users.
One of the driving test websites stated that where road and weather conditions allow, a driver should always try to drive at the posted limit.
10 mph slower! that's nothing. In our modern motoring world, apart from MW / DC, most of us will be travelling at much lower speeds due to the sheer weight of traffic and other considerations.One of the driving test websites stated that where road and weather conditions allow, a driver should always try to drive at the posted limit.
(unless you happen to live in the Highlands and Islands of course.)
Edited by WD39 on Sunday 10th April 20:47
Why do you mention weight of traffic? if traffic is heavy and slow moving, then everyone has to travel at the speed the traffic is moving at. But that is NOT what is being talked about here. What is being referred to here, is where the road is clear, and the conditions suitable for travelling at the posted limit, is when a driver who with a clear road in front of them, decides to deliberately baulk the drivers behind, by travelling at speeds much lower than the posted limit. What sort of person sets out on the roads with the intention of impeding other motorists who wish to travel at the legal posted limit when road conditions and weather permit?
Pan Pan Pan said:
WD39 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Just checked several driving test web sites, including those of advanced driving courses, and it seems that driving at 10mph or more below a posted limit is considered to be driving without due care and attention to other road users.
One of the driving test websites stated that where road and weather conditions allow, a driver should always try to drive at the posted limit.
10 mph slower! that's nothing. In our modern motoring world, apart from MW / DC, most of us will be travelling at much lower speeds due to the sheer weight of traffic and other considerations.One of the driving test websites stated that where road and weather conditions allow, a driver should always try to drive at the posted limit.
(unless you happen to live in the Highlands and Islands of course.)
Edited by WD39 on Sunday 10th April 20:47
On test there is far less tolerance for exceeding the limit than driving under it.
We'd already established that long queues behind drivers should result in them pulling over at regular intervals to allow them to pass (as per highway code). That is extreme circumstances though & not just a matter of somebody choosing to drive a bit below the limit.
If someone were to drive at 46 in a 50 the Police wouldn't give them a second glance, it's not very extreme but it's still stopping you doing 50.
If someone were to drive at 36 in a 50 that is far more extreme & will still stand out, but perversely they are less of a problem for you to legally overtake & be on your way than the driver doing 46.
Pan Pan Pan said:
Why do you mention weight of traffic? if traffic is heavy and slow moving, then everyone has to travel at the speed the traffic is moving at. But that is NOT what is being talked about here. What is being referred to here, is where the road is clear, and the conditions suitable for travelling at the posted limit, is when a driver who with a clear road in front of them, decides to deliberately baulk the drivers behind, by travelling at speeds much lower than the posted limit. What sort of person sets out on the roads with the intention of impeding other motorists who wish to travel at the legal posted limit when road conditions and weather permit?
You're not a mind reader.You say what the intent is but you don't know what it is.
It could, for instance, be to increase mpg not to purposely baulk others
vonhosen said:
Also the test isn't solely about setting a standard that people have to drive at. It can contain practice that whilst desirable & forming part of the test it is not a requirement for driving on our roads.
It is probably a waste of time responding to each others posts on this , as we both fundamentally disagree with each others view. So we will probably just have to agree to disagree.Pan Pan Pan said:
WD39 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Just checked several driving test web sites, including those of advanced driving courses, and it seems that driving at 10mph or more below a posted limit is considered to be driving without due care and attention to other road users.
One of the driving test websites stated that where road and weather conditions allow, a driver should always try to drive at the posted limit.
10 mph slower! that's nothing. In our modern motoring world, apart from MW / DC, most of us will be travelling at much lower speeds due to the sheer weight of traffic and other considerations.One of the driving test websites stated that where road and weather conditions allow, a driver should always try to drive at the posted limit.
(unless you happen to live in the Highlands and Islands of course.)
Edited by WD39 on Sunday 10th April 20:47
It's just the speed that some motorists travel at due to conditions, terrain, weather etc.
It's not intentional, it just happens to fall into the category of thats life on the roads today.
The person who thinks that is intentional is the serial speeder coming up behind who is required to slow down for half a mile.
vonhosen said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
WD39 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Just checked several driving test web sites, including those of advanced driving courses, and it seems that driving at 10mph or more below a posted limit is considered to be driving without due care and attention to other road users.
One of the driving test websites stated that where road and weather conditions allow, a driver should always try to drive at the posted limit.
10 mph slower! that's nothing. In our modern motoring world, apart from MW / DC, most of us will be travelling at much lower speeds due to the sheer weight of traffic and other considerations.One of the driving test websites stated that where road and weather conditions allow, a driver should always try to drive at the posted limit.
(unless you happen to live in the Highlands and Islands of course.)
Edited by WD39 on Sunday 10th April 20:47
On test there is far less tolerance for exceeding the limit than driving under it.
We'd already established that long queues behind drivers should result in them pulling over at regular intervals to allow them to pass (as per highway code). That is extreme circumstances though & not just a matter of somebody choosing to drive a bit below the limit.
If someone were to drive at 46 in a 50 the Police wouldn't give them a second glance, it's not very extreme but it's still stopping you doing 50.
If someone were to drive at 36 in a 50 that is far more extreme & will still stand out, but perversely they are less of a problem for you to legally overtake & be on your way than the driver doing 46.
Pan Pan Pan said:
Why do you mention weight of traffic? if traffic is heavy and slow moving, then everyone has to travel at the speed the traffic is moving at. But that is NOT what is being talked about here. What is being referred to here, is where the road is clear, and the conditions suitable for travelling at the posted limit, is when a driver who with a clear road in front of them, decides to deliberately baulk the drivers behind, by travelling at speeds much lower than the posted limit. What sort of person sets out on the roads with the intention of impeding other motorists who wish to travel at the legal posted limit when road conditions and weather permit?
You're not a mind reader.You say what the intent is but you don't know what it is.
It could, for instance, be to increase mpg not to purposely baulk others
Is driving really this complicated?
ashleyman said:
WD39 said:
Trouble, ashleyperson, your feet won't touch.
what?WD39 said:
For exceeding the posted speed limit while overtaking two vehicles that were travelling slower than you would like and then posting it on the worlds number one motoring website, you my lad, will be in very hot water.
That was the point of the post, to find out if I would be in trouble for my overtake or not. Same theme as the whole discussion going on here if it's ok to go above the posted limit etc...Gassing Station | Advanced Driving | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff