I am becomming a middle lane hogger, are you?
Discussion
You know what, I actually have some sympathy. I drive pretty actively, and move lanes according to my (reasonably constant) speed, in a bid to keep left as much as possible.
However, on busy routes (not necessarily peak time, just busier than average), it requires an almost-constant state of alertness, which is tough to maintain for hours on end even for the best of drivers.
If you want to do somewhere around the M-way limit, then you're liable to find your average journey spent dodging between L1/L2. The 50-60mph lorry brigade make it impossible to stay in L1 for any length of time, and L3 (unless it's really congested) usually seems to be flowing at ~85mph.
But what are you to do if you don't want to join the endless queue of 85mph tailgaters in L3 (who won't move into gaps in L2 for fear of 'losing ground'), but the volume of slow-movers in L1 necessitates constant chopping/changing in moderately heavy traffic?
It's inherently easier/safer to flow along in L2 at around the limit, moving into L1 when big gaps present themselves and being observant of people needing to move over from L3.
MLMs are not always the worst drivers on the road, and they can often doing it because the alternative is a royal pain in the 'arris.
NB - I'm not talking about MLM-tards, the ones who hog L2 with L1 free for miles. Having said that, if L1 is free for miles, the traffic is probably not heavy enough for their actions to be of significant impediment.
However, there's no hope for them and their lack of vision in general.
However, on busy routes (not necessarily peak time, just busier than average), it requires an almost-constant state of alertness, which is tough to maintain for hours on end even for the best of drivers.
If you want to do somewhere around the M-way limit, then you're liable to find your average journey spent dodging between L1/L2. The 50-60mph lorry brigade make it impossible to stay in L1 for any length of time, and L3 (unless it's really congested) usually seems to be flowing at ~85mph.
But what are you to do if you don't want to join the endless queue of 85mph tailgaters in L3 (who won't move into gaps in L2 for fear of 'losing ground'), but the volume of slow-movers in L1 necessitates constant chopping/changing in moderately heavy traffic?
It's inherently easier/safer to flow along in L2 at around the limit, moving into L1 when big gaps present themselves and being observant of people needing to move over from L3.
MLMs are not always the worst drivers on the road, and they can often doing it because the alternative is a royal pain in the 'arris.
NB - I'm not talking about MLM-tards, the ones who hog L2 with L1 free for miles. Having said that, if L1 is free for miles, the traffic is probably not heavy enough for their actions to be of significant impediment.
However, there's no hope for them and their lack of vision in general.
C70R said:
MLMs are not always the worst drivers on the road, and they can often doing it because the alternative is a royal pain in the 'arris.
NB - I'm not talking about MLM-tards, the ones who hog L2 with L1 free for miles. Having said that, if L1 is free for miles, the traffic is probably not heavy enough for their actions to be of significant impediment.
However, there's no hope for them and their lack of vision in general.
If lane 2 was not full of people thinking they weren't causing a blockage even when they could be in lane 1, a lot of the people in lane 3 could be in lane 2. Lane 3 would then be less congested. NB - I'm not talking about MLM-tards, the ones who hog L2 with L1 free for miles. Having said that, if L1 is free for miles, the traffic is probably not heavy enough for their actions to be of significant impediment.
However, there's no hope for them and their lack of vision in general.
If you can get into lane 1, you should. The only times I won't try to get into L1 ASAP are when I'm passing junctions.
davepoth said:
C70R said:
MLMs are not always the worst drivers on the road, and they can often doing it because the alternative is a royal pain in the 'arris.
NB - I'm not talking about MLM-tards, the ones who hog L2 with L1 free for miles. Having said that, if L1 is free for miles, the traffic is probably not heavy enough for their actions to be of significant impediment.
However, there's no hope for them and their lack of vision in general.
If lane 2 was not full of people thinking they weren't causing a blockage even when they could be in lane 1, a lot of the people in lane 3 could be in lane 2. Lane 3 would then be less congested. NB - I'm not talking about MLM-tards, the ones who hog L2 with L1 free for miles. Having said that, if L1 is free for miles, the traffic is probably not heavy enough for their actions to be of significant impediment.
However, there's no hope for them and their lack of vision in general.
If you can get into lane 1, you should. The only times I won't try to get into L1 ASAP are when I'm passing junctions.
C70R said:
davepoth said:
C70R said:
MLMs are not always the worst drivers on the road, and they can often doing it because the alternative is a royal pain in the 'arris.
NB - I'm not talking about MLM-tards, the ones who hog L2 with L1 free for miles. Having said that, if L1 is free for miles, the traffic is probably not heavy enough for their actions to be of significant impediment.
However, there's no hope for them and their lack of vision in general.
If lane 2 was not full of people thinking they weren't causing a blockage even when they could be in lane 1, a lot of the people in lane 3 could be in lane 2. Lane 3 would then be less congested. NB - I'm not talking about MLM-tards, the ones who hog L2 with L1 free for miles. Having said that, if L1 is free for miles, the traffic is probably not heavy enough for their actions to be of significant impediment.
However, there's no hope for them and their lack of vision in general.
If you can get into lane 1, you should. The only times I won't try to get into L1 ASAP are when I'm passing junctions.
- in the sense that there is sufficient clear distance to be in the lane for a worthwhile time before having to move out to pass a slower vehicle, however it would mean passing the cars in the middle lane on the left.
Toltec said:
It isn't unusual when in the third lane to see gaps in the first lane which I could use* if only I could find a large enough gap in the second lane to pass through.
Yup. This quite often happens. Someone bimbling along in L2 at 68mph thinking "ooh, that half a mile gap in L1 is too small to get into, I'll just stay here" means everyone who wants to go quicker has to go into L3. Unless you do what I do and decide that the road is congested. - in the sense that there is sufficient clear distance to be in the lane for a worthwhile time before having to move out to pass a slower vehicle, however it would mean passing the cars in the middle lane on the left.
On a three-lane motorway, lane 1 should be the busiest, lane 2 less so, and lane 3 the least busy. As the average speed within a given lane gets higher, gaps between vehicles should increase in length.
From non-scientific observation, the opposite seems to be true. Lane 3 is often the most busy, with the shortest gaps between vehicles.
Basic rule for me? Unless I can leave a two second gap behind me, AND have at least a two second gap ahead of me (more unless the vehicle ahead is matching my speed or faster), then it isn't safe to change lanes to the left. Conversely, if I can't see a gap big enough to slot into on my right without causing a vehicle already established in lane 2 to brake, then I'll stay in lane 1 even if I have to slow down to maintain a gap ahead. That said, I try to avoid being 'boxed in' in lane 1 by reading the road both ahead and behind, and planning lane changes and overtakes before slower traffic in my lane becomes an issue.
Sometimes that leaves me alongside a gap in the lane to my left which Capt Tailgate thinks I ought to be in. But that's for me to judge. The only reason I'll be in a lane and NOT overtaking folk is if traffic ahead is taking it's sweet time getting past and therefore I'm being just as 'held up' as the person tailgating me. This will be evidenced by my moving left when I feel it's safe, or by my disappearing down the road faster than the orifice who's been trying to bully me out of the way for the last 'x' mile(s).
Sometimes you just have to accept that the density of traffic at a given time is such that there's no point at all in changing lanes in any direction unless it's to the left, and then only in order to exit the motorway. Friday 'hometime' on the anti-clockwise M25 approaching the M4 junction, for instance. Hell on earth, and the reason why the back roads of Bucks/Berks between Amersham and Camberley are imprinted on my mind like an escape map onto the lining of a WWII flying jacket...
From non-scientific observation, the opposite seems to be true. Lane 3 is often the most busy, with the shortest gaps between vehicles.
Basic rule for me? Unless I can leave a two second gap behind me, AND have at least a two second gap ahead of me (more unless the vehicle ahead is matching my speed or faster), then it isn't safe to change lanes to the left. Conversely, if I can't see a gap big enough to slot into on my right without causing a vehicle already established in lane 2 to brake, then I'll stay in lane 1 even if I have to slow down to maintain a gap ahead. That said, I try to avoid being 'boxed in' in lane 1 by reading the road both ahead and behind, and planning lane changes and overtakes before slower traffic in my lane becomes an issue.
Sometimes that leaves me alongside a gap in the lane to my left which Capt Tailgate thinks I ought to be in. But that's for me to judge. The only reason I'll be in a lane and NOT overtaking folk is if traffic ahead is taking it's sweet time getting past and therefore I'm being just as 'held up' as the person tailgating me. This will be evidenced by my moving left when I feel it's safe, or by my disappearing down the road faster than the orifice who's been trying to bully me out of the way for the last 'x' mile(s).
Sometimes you just have to accept that the density of traffic at a given time is such that there's no point at all in changing lanes in any direction unless it's to the left, and then only in order to exit the motorway. Friday 'hometime' on the anti-clockwise M25 approaching the M4 junction, for instance. Hell on earth, and the reason why the back roads of Bucks/Berks between Amersham and Camberley are imprinted on my mind like an escape map onto the lining of a WWII flying jacket...
Toltec said:
C70R said:
davepoth said:
C70R said:
MLMs are not always the worst drivers on the road, and they can often doing it because the alternative is a royal pain in the 'arris.
NB - I'm not talking about MLM-tards, the ones who hog L2 with L1 free for miles. Having said that, if L1 is free for miles, the traffic is probably not heavy enough for their actions to be of significant impediment.
However, there's no hope for them and their lack of vision in general.
If lane 2 was not full of people thinking they weren't causing a blockage even when they could be in lane 1, a lot of the people in lane 3 could be in lane 2. Lane 3 would then be less congested. NB - I'm not talking about MLM-tards, the ones who hog L2 with L1 free for miles. Having said that, if L1 is free for miles, the traffic is probably not heavy enough for their actions to be of significant impediment.
However, there's no hope for them and their lack of vision in general.
If you can get into lane 1, you should. The only times I won't try to get into L1 ASAP are when I'm passing junctions.
- in the sense that there is sufficient clear distance to be in the lane for a worthwhile time before having to move out to pass a slower vehicle, however it would mean passing the cars in the middle lane on the left.
However, I don't suppose for a moment that the attitudes of two people discussing a topic in "Advanced Driving" would be representative of the typical 85mph L3 bumper-hogger.
I genuinely believe it would take a complete re-education of roadcraft to remove the 'tunnel vision' factor, be it MLMs or L3 hoggers. MLMs, while annoying and avoidable in some circumstances, are not the only significant blight on our motorways.
Even worse, some drivers actually take pride in hogging the rh lane!
Last night i followed a RR up the A34. On an otherwise pretty empty road he sat in the RH lane for 6 miles, with me behind him. He was doing about 75 to 80mph, and a caught him, then I dropped back and moved forwards a few times to show i would like to pass (which ought to have been obvious given the fact i'd appeared behind him, but hadn't been behind him earlier, so was clearly going faster ;-) but he just sat there.
Eventually i got bored, moved left, checked i had a clear lane as far as i could see, and that there was some "swerving room" in case he was going to do something stupid! Then, as i closed to undertake, i got within about 10m, and lo and behold, the back of the RR dropped and big bellow of black smoke came out the pipes and he tried to stop me undertaking. Unfortunately, he'd brought a knife to a gun fight, so i just floored it and rocketed past on the lhs, giving him a little wave as i did so.
I seems very simple to me, if you don't like being undertaken either
1) drive faster than everyone else
or
2) use the LH lane where appropriate
It ain't exactly rocket science now is it ;-)
Last night i followed a RR up the A34. On an otherwise pretty empty road he sat in the RH lane for 6 miles, with me behind him. He was doing about 75 to 80mph, and a caught him, then I dropped back and moved forwards a few times to show i would like to pass (which ought to have been obvious given the fact i'd appeared behind him, but hadn't been behind him earlier, so was clearly going faster ;-) but he just sat there.
Eventually i got bored, moved left, checked i had a clear lane as far as i could see, and that there was some "swerving room" in case he was going to do something stupid! Then, as i closed to undertake, i got within about 10m, and lo and behold, the back of the RR dropped and big bellow of black smoke came out the pipes and he tried to stop me undertaking. Unfortunately, he'd brought a knife to a gun fight, so i just floored it and rocketed past on the lhs, giving him a little wave as i did so.
I seems very simple to me, if you don't like being undertaken either
1) drive faster than everyone else
or
2) use the LH lane where appropriate
It ain't exactly rocket science now is it ;-)
So why can we make significantly better progress across France on a two-lane motorway with (mostly) 130kph limits than we can on a three or four-lane UK motorway with a lower limit? Its simply driver education - where they seem to be far less worried about keeping other road users away from "their" stretch of road and just get on with their own agenda
The answer to this is simple, but probably political suicide - introduce road pricing where Lane 1 is always free and lanes 2, 3, 4, etc get gradually more expensive - it would increase road capacity overnight as people fight to save money by clogging up L1 and the rest of us pay to move more freely.
FWIW, my daily commute on the "smart" section of the M42 is almost always faster on the active hard-shoulder, which chugs along at a steady 50-60, while all the other lanes are nose-to-tail at 40-50
The answer to this is simple, but probably political suicide - introduce road pricing where Lane 1 is always free and lanes 2, 3, 4, etc get gradually more expensive - it would increase road capacity overnight as people fight to save money by clogging up L1 and the rest of us pay to move more freely.
FWIW, my daily commute on the "smart" section of the M42 is almost always faster on the active hard-shoulder, which chugs along at a steady 50-60, while all the other lanes are nose-to-tail at 40-50
Nigel_O said:
So why can we make significantly better progress across France on a two-lane motorway with (mostly) 130kph limits than we can on a three or four-lane UK motorway with a lower limit? Its simply driver education - where they seem to be far less worried about keeping other road users away from "their" stretch of road and just get on with their own agenda
The answer to this is simple, but probably political suicide - introduce road pricing where Lane 1 is always free and lanes 2, 3, 4, etc get gradually more expensive - it would increase road capacity overnight as people fight to save money by clogging up L1 and the rest of us pay to move more freely.
FWIW, my daily commute on the "smart" section of the M42 is almost always faster on the active hard-shoulder, which chugs along at a steady 50-60, while all the other lanes are nose-to-tail at 40-50
Your pricing proposal is barking mad, but I'd go with a laser death ray.The answer to this is simple, but probably political suicide - introduce road pricing where Lane 1 is always free and lanes 2, 3, 4, etc get gradually more expensive - it would increase road capacity overnight as people fight to save money by clogging up L1 and the rest of us pay to move more freely.
FWIW, my daily commute on the "smart" section of the M42 is almost always faster on the active hard-shoulder, which chugs along at a steady 50-60, while all the other lanes are nose-to-tail at 40-50
C70R said:
MLMs are not always the worst drivers on the road, and they can often doing it because the alternative is a royal pain in the 'arris.
NB - I'm not talking about MLM-tards, the ones who hog L2 with L1 free for miles. Having said that, if L1 is free for miles, the traffic is probably not heavy enough for their actions to be of significant impediment.
However, there's no hope for them and their lack of vision in general.
Uh, yeah. you'd think so wouldn't you.NB - I'm not talking about MLM-tards, the ones who hog L2 with L1 free for miles. Having said that, if L1 is free for miles, the traffic is probably not heavy enough for their actions to be of significant impediment.
However, there's no hope for them and their lack of vision in general.
So consider these two stellar examples:
- Muppet sat in lane 2, no traffic visible as far as the horizon. As I come up behind him I give him a flash. He moves into lane 1. I pass, then pull into lane 1 well in front of him. He immediately pulls back out into lane 2 despite me flying off into the distance in front.
- Woman in 4th lane on M5 heading south from Gordano doing about 70mph.... no cars in inner 3 lanes. I patiently sat behind her for over a mile, then undertook her in lane 2. Only for her to give me the coffee beans and middle finger.
Just because you are a part time MLM, and only stay in lane 2 when it's too much work for you to pull in and out, does not mean you aren't part of the problem.
Either speed up, pull in, or take an A road.
spookly said:
C70R said:
MLMs are not always the worst drivers on the road, and they can often doing it because the alternative is a royal pain in the 'arris.
NB - I'm not talking about MLM-tards, the ones who hog L2 with L1 free for miles. Having said that, if L1 is free for miles, the traffic is probably not heavy enough for their actions to be of significant impediment.
However, there's no hope for them and their lack of vision in general.
Uh, yeah. you'd think so wouldn't you.NB - I'm not talking about MLM-tards, the ones who hog L2 with L1 free for miles. Having said that, if L1 is free for miles, the traffic is probably not heavy enough for their actions to be of significant impediment.
However, there's no hope for them and their lack of vision in general.
So consider these two stellar examples:
- Muppet sat in lane 2, no traffic visible as far as the horizon. As I come up behind him I give him a flash. He moves into lane 1. I pass, then pull into lane 1 well in front of him. He immediately pulls back out into lane 2 despite me flying off into the distance in front.
- Woman in 4th lane on M5 heading south from Gordano doing about 70mph.... no cars in inner 3 lanes. I patiently sat behind her for over a mile, then undertook her in lane 2. Only for her to give me the coffee beans and middle finger.
Just because you are a part time MLM, and only stay in lane 2 when it's too much work for you to pull in and out, does not mean you aren't part of the problem.
Either speed up, pull in, or take an A road.
Sounds like it was virtually empty apart from you & them.
Edited by vonhosen on Friday 19th August 14:19
Max_Torque said:
Even worse, some drivers actually take pride in hogging the rh lane!
Last night i followed a RR up the A34. On an otherwise pretty empty road he sat in the RH lane for 6 miles, with me behind him. He was doing about 75 to 80mph, and a caught him, then I dropped back and moved forwards a few times to show i would like to pass (which ought to have been obvious given the fact i'd appeared behind him, but hadn't been behind him earlier, so was clearly going faster ;-) but he just sat there.
Eventually i got bored, moved left, checked i had a clear lane as far as i could see, and that there was some "swerving room" in case he was going to do something stupid! Then, as i closed to undertake, i got within about 10m, and lo and behold, the back of the RR dropped and big bellow of black smoke came out the pipes and he tried to stop me undertaking. Unfortunately, he'd brought a knife to a gun fight, so i just floored it and rocketed past on the lhs, giving him a little wave as i did so.
I seems very simple to me, if you don't like being undertaken either
1) drive faster than everyone else
or
2) use the LH lane where appropriate
It ain't exactly rocket science now is it ;-)
Person who gets upset by people who don't drive by the rules, doesn't drive by the rules.Last night i followed a RR up the A34. On an otherwise pretty empty road he sat in the RH lane for 6 miles, with me behind him. He was doing about 75 to 80mph, and a caught him, then I dropped back and moved forwards a few times to show i would like to pass (which ought to have been obvious given the fact i'd appeared behind him, but hadn't been behind him earlier, so was clearly going faster ;-) but he just sat there.
Eventually i got bored, moved left, checked i had a clear lane as far as i could see, and that there was some "swerving room" in case he was going to do something stupid! Then, as i closed to undertake, i got within about 10m, and lo and behold, the back of the RR dropped and big bellow of black smoke came out the pipes and he tried to stop me undertaking. Unfortunately, he'd brought a knife to a gun fight, so i just floored it and rocketed past on the lhs, giving him a little wave as i did so.
I seems very simple to me, if you don't like being undertaken either
1) drive faster than everyone else
or
2) use the LH lane where appropriate
It ain't exactly rocket science now is it ;-)
spookly said:
Uh, yeah. you'd think so wouldn't you.
So consider these two stellar examples:
Just because you are a part time MLM, and only stay in lane 2 when it's too much work for you to pull in and out, does not mean you aren't part of the problem.
Either speed up, pull in, or take an A road.
Sort of shot yourself in the foot there, champ. So consider these two stellar examples:
- Muppet sat in lane 2, no traffic visible as far as the horizon. As I come up behind him I give him a flash. He moves into lane 1. I pass, then pull into lane 1 well in front of him. He immediately pulls back out into lane 2 despite me flying off into the distance in front.
Just because you are a part time MLM, and only stay in lane 2 when it's too much work for you to pull in and out, does not mean you aren't part of the problem.
Either speed up, pull in, or take an A road.
If you'd actually read what I wrote, and engaged your brain before you'd typed, rather than trying to score a cheap internet point, you wouldn't have looked like such an utter chump.
vonhosen said:
spookly said:
C70R said:
MLMs are not always the worst drivers on the road, and they can often doing it because the alternative is a royal pain in the 'arris.
NB - I'm not talking about MLM-tards, the ones who hog L2 with L1 free for miles. Having said that, if L1 is free for miles, the traffic is probably not heavy enough for their actions to be of significant impediment.
However, there's no hope for them and their lack of vision in general.
Uh, yeah. you'd think so wouldn't you.NB - I'm not talking about MLM-tards, the ones who hog L2 with L1 free for miles. Having said that, if L1 is free for miles, the traffic is probably not heavy enough for their actions to be of significant impediment.
However, there's no hope for them and their lack of vision in general.
So consider these two stellar examples:
- Muppet sat in lane 2, no traffic visible as far as the horizon. As I come up behind him I give him a flash. He moves into lane 1. I pass, then pull into lane 1 well in front of him. He immediately pulls back out into lane 2 despite me flying off into the distance in front.
- Woman in 4th lane on M5 heading south from Gordano doing about 70mph.... no cars in inner 3 lanes. I patiently sat behind her for over a mile, then undertook her in lane 2. Only for her to give me the coffee beans and middle finger.
Just because you are a part time MLM, and only stay in lane 2 when it's too much work for you to pull in and out, does not mean you aren't part of the problem.
Either speed up, pull in, or take an A road.
Sounds like it was virtually empty apart from you & them.
Edited by vonhosen on Friday 19th August 14:19
Those two just illustrate how dumb these MLMs are.... when they continue that same behaviour in heavier traffic it chokes the capacity.
C70R said:
spookly said:
Uh, yeah. you'd think so wouldn't you.
So consider these two stellar examples:
Just because you are a part time MLM, and only stay in lane 2 when it's too much work for you to pull in and out, does not mean you aren't part of the problem.
Either speed up, pull in, or take an A road.
Sort of shot yourself in the foot there, champ. So consider these two stellar examples:
- Muppet sat in lane 2, no traffic visible as far as the horizon. As I come up behind him I give him a flash. He moves into lane 1. I pass, then pull into lane 1 well in front of him. He immediately pulls back out into lane 2 despite me flying off into the distance in front.
Just because you are a part time MLM, and only stay in lane 2 when it's too much work for you to pull in and out, does not mean you aren't part of the problem.
Either speed up, pull in, or take an A road.
If you'd actually read what I wrote, and engaged your brain before you'd typed, rather than trying to score a cheap internet point, you wouldn't have looked like such an utter chump.
And as you probably know, all the MLMs in heavier traffic are an even greater menace.
spookly said:
vonhosen said:
spookly said:
C70R said:
MLMs are not always the worst drivers on the road, and they can often doing it because the alternative is a royal pain in the 'arris.
NB - I'm not talking about MLM-tards, the ones who hog L2 with L1 free for miles. Having said that, if L1 is free for miles, the traffic is probably not heavy enough for their actions to be of significant impediment.
However, there's no hope for them and their lack of vision in general.
Uh, yeah. you'd think so wouldn't you.NB - I'm not talking about MLM-tards, the ones who hog L2 with L1 free for miles. Having said that, if L1 is free for miles, the traffic is probably not heavy enough for their actions to be of significant impediment.
However, there's no hope for them and their lack of vision in general.
So consider these two stellar examples:
- Muppet sat in lane 2, no traffic visible as far as the horizon. As I come up behind him I give him a flash. He moves into lane 1. I pass, then pull into lane 1 well in front of him. He immediately pulls back out into lane 2 despite me flying off into the distance in front.
- Woman in 4th lane on M5 heading south from Gordano doing about 70mph.... no cars in inner 3 lanes. I patiently sat behind her for over a mile, then undertook her in lane 2. Only for her to give me the coffee beans and middle finger.
Just because you are a part time MLM, and only stay in lane 2 when it's too much work for you to pull in and out, does not mean you aren't part of the problem.
Either speed up, pull in, or take an A road.
Sounds like it was virtually empty apart from you & them.
Edited by vonhosen on Friday 19th August 14:19
Those two just illustrate how dumb these MLMs are.... when they continue that same behaviour in heavier traffic it chokes the capacity.
Your complaint is about something in relation to a set of observed circumstances,when that something didn't exist in those circumstances.
You don't like what you perceive as them not abiding by the rules, but you are happy to break rules to deal with it.
I'd guess you break other rules that you consider an inconvenience at the time & don't fit with your personal values, whilst castigating others for doing likewise. Their rule breaking should be dealt with harshly, yours ignored?
That's not holier than thou by me either, because I'm a rule breaker toor, so it's just as fair me getting done as it is you or them. There's no moral high ground if we are willing to pick & choose. Just a load of sinners b
hing about each other's sins.Edited by vonhosen on Friday 19th August 16:16
spookly said:
C70R said:
spookly said:
Uh, yeah. you'd think so wouldn't you.
So consider these two stellar examples:
Just because you are a part time MLM, and only stay in lane 2 when it's too much work for you to pull in and out, does not mean you aren't part of the problem.
Either speed up, pull in, or take an A road.
Sort of shot yourself in the foot there, champ. So consider these two stellar examples:
- Muppet sat in lane 2, no traffic visible as far as the horizon. As I come up behind him I give him a flash. He moves into lane 1. I pass, then pull into lane 1 well in front of him. He immediately pulls back out into lane 2 despite me flying off into the distance in front.
Just because you are a part time MLM, and only stay in lane 2 when it's too much work for you to pull in and out, does not mean you aren't part of the problem.
Either speed up, pull in, or take an A road.
If you'd actually read what I wrote, and engaged your brain before you'd typed, rather than trying to score a cheap internet point, you wouldn't have looked like such an utter chump.
And as you probably know, all the MLMs in heavier traffic are an even greater menace.
You're trying too hard, and looking silly.
vonhosen said:
You're guessing that the two in your example would do the same in different circumstances, you don't know because that's not what you observed.
Your complaint is about something in relation to a set of observed circumstances,when that something didn't exist in those circumstances.
You don't like what you perceive as them not abiding by the rules, but you are happy to break rules to deal with it.
I'd guess you break other rules that you consider an inconvenience at the time & don't fit with your personal values, whilst castigating others for doing likewise. Their rule breaking should be dealt with harshly, yours ignored?
That's not holier than thou by me either, because I'm a rule breaker toor, so it's just as fair me getting done as it is you or them. There's no moral high ground if we are willing to pick & choose. Just a load of sinners bhing about each other's sins.
Ah, you'd be wrong to assume that those are my assumptions.Your complaint is about something in relation to a set of observed circumstances,when that something didn't exist in those circumstances.
You don't like what you perceive as them not abiding by the rules, but you are happy to break rules to deal with it.
I'd guess you break other rules that you consider an inconvenience at the time & don't fit with your personal values, whilst castigating others for doing likewise. Their rule breaking should be dealt with harshly, yours ignored?
That's not holier than thou by me either, because I'm a rule breaker toor, so it's just as fair me getting done as it is you or them. There's no moral high ground if we are willing to pick & choose. Just a load of sinners b
hing about each other's sins.Edited by vonhosen on Friday 19th August 16:16
I literally could not give a f
k about other people breaking the rules if it does not endanger or inconvenience me. And I treat others the same.I might break some rules that I consider silly or inconsequential, but I do my utmost to make sure I do not unnecessarily inconvenience others (like being an MLM) and certainly not endanger anyone.
So I am certainly not being holier than thou.... but I am saying "get the f
k out of my way asshat the other lanes have room in them so you shouldn't be here you inconsiderate tt".Hope that clears things up.
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