Stopping on a main road to let people out...
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768 said:
Err, drivers should slow for those things, not the car in front. I wasn't suggesting no one should brake ever.
well then. every car will be braking(or gearing down) at that point anyhow, everyone will have to slow.By holding back very slightly more when you see the situation arise, you can create a bigger gap in front of you, one someone would have the opportunity to pull out into.
If this situation was not on a downhill slope, I would just be suggesting to let off the accelerator slightly earlier.
Not sure why this needs explaining on the advanced driving forum though!
Edited by Efbe on Wednesday 19th October 09:28
768 said:
Of course everyone will have to slow down. But relying on them to slow down further - and even stop as worded in the title of this thread - is just not a smart move no matter how you try and defend it.
Thank heavens many drivers don't share your views. If they did it would be impossible to join the main road nearest my home at busy times from the reasonably well used unclassified road leading from several villages.What is your solution to that issue? I have argued for a roundabout but the highways department have refused.
768 said:
Of course everyone will have to slow down. But relying on them to slow down further - and even stop as worded in the title of this thread - is just not a smart move no matter how you try and defend it.
stopping is not sensible. but this is not what I am suggesting.I am responding to people saying you should not let other drivers out of junctions.
In this specific situation, there is no need to stop. slowing very slightly will create enough gap for someone to pull out in.
Our road network is based on the premise that people will be let out. at rush hour if people did not do this, many people would never get out of junctions.
Burying your head in the sand and saying "well I have priority" is just selfish and pathetic.
Efbe said:
popeyewhite said:
Give over. Inconvenience one by not letting them out or inconvenience many by forcing them to stop/concertina and you pick the one?!!
as was said. steady stream of traffic.You won't inconvenience anyone behind you.
This is the advanced driving section. Not the section for inconsiderate unaware middle lane motorists.
It would be evident someone wanted to pull out of that junction from way back. slowing very slightly ...
This is easy.
1. Check mirrors.
On observing what's behind you...
a) there's nothing behind you? Then don't let the 'joiner' out. There's no need as they can simply join behind you.
b) there is traffic behind you? Then don't let the 'joiner' out as you'll inconvenience traffic already established on the road, causing potential confusion and possibly even danger.
Only one exception, for me. When traffic is so heavy as to be 'stop-start' queuing. Then it strays into the realms of a civilised, 'nice' thing to do.
My wife is now a very nervous car passenger, because of one of these moronic "letter-outers". Doris in the junction spots a van driver from her left letting her go first, as he was turning right. What she failed to spot was more than two tonnes of the blue oval's finest that was actually across the front of her car from her right. She hit my car just ahead of the 'b' pillar, which pretty much terrified my wife as it hit her door.
So again. DON'T F
KING DO IT. Just stick to the priorities as they are marked on signs, and with paint on the carriageway. It really is the best way to ensure that we ALL know where we stand.
And to those cretins who creep forward out of junctions in an attempt to 'force' main road traffic to yield? Wait behind the damned line you bunch ofs. Particularly prevalent at a number of roundabouts locally, forcing roundabout traffic to circulate too close together and outside of marked lanes. It's dangerous. Quit doing it.
1. Check mirrors.
On observing what's behind you...
a) there's nothing behind you? Then don't let the 'joiner' out. There's no need as they can simply join behind you.
b) there is traffic behind you? Then don't let the 'joiner' out as you'll inconvenience traffic already established on the road, causing potential confusion and possibly even danger.
Only one exception, for me. When traffic is so heavy as to be 'stop-start' queuing. Then it strays into the realms of a civilised, 'nice' thing to do.
My wife is now a very nervous car passenger, because of one of these moronic "letter-outers". Doris in the junction spots a van driver from her left letting her go first, as he was turning right. What she failed to spot was more than two tonnes of the blue oval's finest that was actually across the front of her car from her right. She hit my car just ahead of the 'b' pillar, which pretty much terrified my wife as it hit her door.
So again. DON'T F
KING DO IT. Just stick to the priorities as they are marked on signs, and with paint on the carriageway. It really is the best way to ensure that we ALL know where we stand.And to those cretins who creep forward out of junctions in an attempt to 'force' main road traffic to yield? Wait behind the damned line you bunch of
s. Particularly prevalent at a number of roundabouts locally, forcing roundabout traffic to circulate too close together and outside of marked lanes. It's dangerous. Quit doing it. yellowjack said:
Just stick to the priorities as they are marked on signs, and with paint on the carriageway. It really is the best way to ensure that we ALL know where we stand.
and the road network grinds to a halt...Right at the start of my journey to work I join a main road. cars will be doing 30. It is always a constant stream of traffic. This constant stream of traffic will last all day. It's a busy road.
If we all stick to priorities I will not be able to leave this junction.
Any one of these cars could slow very slightly to give me enough gap to get out, and guess what, they do. I usually only have to wait about 2-5 cars to be let out.
I imagine you are one of those that insist on piling through a gap as traffic is waiting to come the other way, as quite rightly so as it is your priority, only to find you are stuck, now blocking people coming the other way who would have allowed your lane to progress.
Lets not inconvenience you, but what are the chances it's different when you need to be let out?
and again a reminder: this is the advanced driving section, not the learning to drive.
Howard- said:
Efbe said:
Any one of these cars could slow very slightly to give me enough gap to get out, and guess what, they do..
This is different to what is being described in the OP, i.e. braking down to a stop purely to give way, which I fully believe is annoying and idiotic. I started off this response in relation to other posts in this thread.
There seems to be quite a strong sentiment against letting people out of junctions at all. it surprises me on here.
waremark said:
Thank heavens many drivers don't share your views. If they did it would be impossible to join the main road nearest my home at busy times from the reasonably well used unclassified road leading from several villages.
What is your solution to that issue? I have argued for a roundabout but the highways department have refused.
I don't believe anyone's said there's an issue waiting for a gap before pulling out of the junction in the OP?What is your solution to that issue? I have argued for a roundabout but the highways department have refused.
I can't think of any junctions where I ever have an issue with waiting more than 30 seconds or so to pull out, let alone where stopping on the main road to let someone out would make the situation better. I can think of a few roundabouts where, at least for others, it seems to be more of an issue though.
768 said:
waremark said:
Thank heavens many drivers don't share your views. If they did it would be impossible to join the main road nearest my home at busy times from the reasonably well used unclassified road leading from several villages.
What is your solution to that issue? I have argued for a roundabout but the highways department have refused.
I don't believe anyone's said there's an issue waiting for a gap before pulling out of the junction in the OP?What is your solution to that issue? I have argued for a roundabout but the highways department have refused.
I can't think of any junctions where I ever have an issue with waiting more than 30 seconds or so to pull out, let alone where stopping on the main road to let someone out would make the situation better. I can think of a few roundabouts where, at least for oth
ers, it seems to be more of an issue though.
Efbe said:
stopping is not sensible. but this is not what I am suggesting.
I am responding to people saying you should not let other drivers out of junctions.
In this specific situation, there is no need to stop. slowing very slightly will create enough gap for someone to pull out in.
Our road network is based on the premise that people will be let out. at rush hour if people did not do this, many people would never get out of junctions.
Burying your head in the sand and saying "well I have priority" is just selfish and pathetic.
And I agree to an extent. On my commute I have to pull out onto a very busy road, and that can be a struggle without at least a little bit of assistance - luckily there's a lot of traffic turning off the main road too so gaps do get created. People do moderate their speed through the junction to create gaps without inconveniencing other people, which is fine.I am responding to people saying you should not let other drivers out of junctions.
In this specific situation, there is no need to stop. slowing very slightly will create enough gap for someone to pull out in.
Our road network is based on the premise that people will be let out. at rush hour if people did not do this, many people would never get out of junctions.
Burying your head in the sand and saying "well I have priority" is just selfish and pathetic.
In the example I posted above the correct thing to do would be to slow down a little on the flat bit at the top of the hill so that you made a gap big enough for people to pull out - but I doubt many people think that far ahead.
davepoth said:
And I agree to an extent. On my commute I have to pull out onto a very busy road, and that can be a struggle without at least a little bit of assistance - luckily there's a lot of traffic turning off the main road too so gaps do get created. People do moderate their speed through the junction to create gaps without inconveniencing other people, which is fine.
In the example I posted above the correct thing to do would be to slow down a little on the flat bit at the top of the hill so that you made a gap big enough for people to pull out - but I doubt many people think that far ahead.
completely agreed.In the example I posted above the correct thing to do would be to slow down a little on the flat bit at the top of the hill so that you made a gap big enough for people to pull out - but I doubt many people think that far ahead.
and that's what advanced driving is for, dragging the rest of the road users up a notch
I have a poorly sighted minor road exit which I use regularly from which I often rely on the kindness of strangers to help me on my way. (Doubly so on my right turn back into it). Recently I was on the major road and saw a poor sap waiting where I normally wait and extended my following distance on the approach to the junction to help him out. Gave him a good 100 yrds to play with.
Should I perhaps have given him a flash 600 yards out to let him know my intentions? Bugger was on the phone so didn't notice the gap until I was on him and pulled out causing rather more of an accommodation than I had hoped for.
But then you should never flash...
Should I perhaps have given him a flash 600 yards out to let him know my intentions? Bugger was on the phone so didn't notice the gap until I was on him and pulled out causing rather more of an accommodation than I had hoped for.
But then you should never flash...
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