Rule 130 - Hatched areas with a broken line
Discussion
Hello,
At the risk of being flogged for not fully understanding the rule, i have a couple of questions.
Solid white lines are pretty obvious. However a broken white line, the rule says don't not enter unless NECESSARY and safe. Safe is also pretty clear. But what defines necessary?
The image I uploaded is from a drive earlier. 50 mph road. Would approaching a vehicle doing 30mph and performing an overtake be necessary? As I saw a couple of people doing that.
I'm redoing my IAM in a few weeks (last did it 11 years ago) and it'll be something I ask but I thought I'd try clear it up first
At the risk of being flogged for not fully understanding the rule, i have a couple of questions.
Solid white lines are pretty obvious. However a broken white line, the rule says don't not enter unless NECESSARY and safe. Safe is also pretty clear. But what defines necessary?
The image I uploaded is from a drive earlier. 50 mph road. Would approaching a vehicle doing 30mph and performing an overtake be necessary? As I saw a couple of people doing that.
I'm redoing my IAM in a few weeks (last did it 11 years ago) and it'll be something I ask but I thought I'd try clear it up first
HC said:
Rule 130
Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right.
- If the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so.
- If the area is marked with chevrons and bordered by solid white lines you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency.
Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right.
- If the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so.
- If the area is marked with chevrons and bordered by solid white lines you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency.
Edited by Lgfst on Tuesday 1st November 11:49
They..... the broken line chevrons could be telling you there is a hazard ahead, in this case the bend in the road reducing vis??
I don't have a problem checking that it is safe to enter them in moving onto/over them to have a look ahead if an over take is my aim........but they are there to separate traffic....maybe there is a junction ahead?
Be prepared to get hooted at.....and flashed at for entering them....but absolutely make sure it is safe to enter them so good mirror (life saver check first!)
I don't have a problem checking that it is safe to enter them in moving onto/over them to have a look ahead if an over take is my aim........but they are there to separate traffic....maybe there is a junction ahead?
Be prepared to get hooted at.....and flashed at for entering them....but absolutely make sure it is safe to enter them so good mirror (life saver check first!)
esxste said:
This was a question I was asking myself on a drive the other day. Glad to see some answers here 
Out of interest, whats the purpose of these road markings? I know a stretch of road that has these, but it seems for no real reason - no junctions or pedestrian islands etc.
It keeps the 40mph everywhere brigade safely tucked into the left so the rest of us can get past easier Out of interest, whats the purpose of these road markings? I know a stretch of road that has these, but it seems for no real reason - no junctions or pedestrian islands etc.
M4cruiser said:
I'd say "Necessary" means "Essential".
So you can enter it if another car is stopped (or broken down) forcing you to enter the hatched area.
If you're doing 40 in a 60 limit for example then you are going to get there aren't you, so how can it be essential to go faster?
Have another try at thinking about it a bit more.So you can enter it if another car is stopped (or broken down) forcing you to enter the hatched area.
If you're doing 40 in a 60 limit for example then you are going to get there aren't you, so how can it be essential to go faster?
It's not the speed, or the overtake that has to be necessary (or essential).
M4cruiser said:
I'd say "Necessary" means "Essential".
So you can enter it if another car is stopped (or broken down) forcing you to enter the hatched area.
If you're doing 40 in a 60 limit for example then you are going to get there aren't you, so how can it be essential to go faster?
So how would that differ from an area with a solid line? You'd be ok to go into that area if the carriageway was blocked by a broken down vehicle. Why would they bother with two types of line if both meant the same?So you can enter it if another car is stopped (or broken down) forcing you to enter the hatched area.
If you're doing 40 in a 60 limit for example then you are going to get there aren't you, so how can it be essential to go faster?
CrutyRammers said:
So how would that differ from an area with a solid line? You'd be ok to go into that area if the carriageway was blocked by a broken down vehicle. Why would they bother with two types of line if both meant the same?
From the Highway Code:If the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so.
If the area is marked with chevrons and bordered by solid white lines you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency.
dvenman said:
CrutyRammers said:
So how would that differ from an area with a solid line? You'd be ok to go into that area if the carriageway was blocked by a broken down vehicle. Why would they bother with two types of line if both meant the same?
From the Highway Code:If the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so.
If the area is marked with chevrons and bordered by solid white lines you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency.
Nigel_O said:
Lgfst said:
I think I read somewhere that the gauges on the ST (oil temp, boost pressure, oil pressure) aren't actually relative to the correct temperatures and pressures and are just a rough guide for show. Could be wrong though. I'll try my obd reader and see what that reads
You'll often find the "ghost islands" on wide, (maybe previously dangerous 3 lane), roads, single carriageway roads which have hitherto been deemed dangerous following a high incidence of overtaking crashes. The visual effect of the paint on the majority of motorists is to "push" them closer to their nearside gaining greater seperation from the opposing traffic stream. It's relatively cheap to implement and generally works well.
We do still have the flexiblility to use that section of road, the ghost island, when safe to do so for e.g. overtaking (within the posted speed limit) so that area of tarmack is not altogether lost to us motorists and for the majority of road users, that stretch of road is generally somewhat safer.
We do still have the flexiblility to use that section of road, the ghost island, when safe to do so for e.g. overtaking (within the posted speed limit) so that area of tarmack is not altogether lost to us motorists and for the majority of road users, that stretch of road is generally somewhat safer.
a dual carriage way round my way has a long turn right lane with these hatchings seperating it from the main carriage way. The lane is "open" for a good hundred yards before it becomes hatched lines for the next hundred yards until the lights. Yet 
bus drivers and taxi drivers regularly zoom along in lane 2 and swerve into the right hand lane just before the lights to avoid the que in the right lane. Should be solid white and regularly policed to stop the selfish morons.
bus drivers and taxi drivers regularly zoom along in lane 2 and swerve into the right hand lane just before the lights to avoid the que in the right lane. Should be solid white and regularly policed to stop the selfish morons.Gassing Station | Advanced Driving | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff