Why are vehicles squeezing past me as I wait to turn right?
Discussion
Ed.Neumann said:
Just sit in the middle a few metres back.
Then you can swing as much as you want when it is clear.
You don't need to be sat waiting inline with the lane.
That does seem like the least worst answer, stopping a car's length or so back from the turn and right up against the centre line.Then you can swing as much as you want when it is clear.
You don't need to be sat waiting inline with the lane.
Vasco said:
Get a shorter car......
Judging by this post, his car ain’t long…https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
595Heaven said:
Vasco said:
Get a shorter car......
Judging by this post, his car ain’t long…https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
In which case: kudos.
There's talk above about indicating left and then indicating right. I would agree that it may give the impression you're pulling over and then wanting to pull out, by which time the rules of priority will have changed.
OP mentions a longer vehicle so the need for extra clearance.
I was going to suggest indicating right and then gradually bearing left enough for the extra clearance but not enough that a chancer may swueeze past, whilst all the while slowing down just before the lane. That may be controversial for Highway Code purists given when filtering you're supposed to be as close to the centre as possible.
Surely there's something that would exonerate extra clearance. Larger vehicles, buses etc do it and swing to one side where the turn is going to be too tight.
Any competent driver behind you should be alert to lanes and driveways and people turning into and out of them.
If nobody is behind you then it should be achievable without an issue.
If on the approach someone is likely going to be right up behind then it helps as a warning to indicate well in advance of the turn-off
and the swing manoeuvre. Again any competent driver would take heed of that.
If someone is right up behind you and you do the same then it's their fault for any perceived 'inconvenience' when they realise the car in front was filtering. In which case, no sleep should be lost over that.
hidetheelephants said:
Ed.Neumann said:
Just sit in the middle a few metres back.
Then you can swing as much as you want when it is clear.
You don't need to be sat waiting inline with the lane.
That does seem like the least worst answer, stopping a car's length or so back from the turn and right up against the centre line.Then you can swing as much as you want when it is clear.
You don't need to be sat waiting inline with the lane.
If I position right with oncoming traffic then I need to hold back far enough to be able to move forward to the left before making the right turn, that takes more manoeuvreing time and so only the longest (or no) gaps in the oncoming traffic can be exploited, I wouldn't be able to turn through the gaps that I'm currently able to. But at least I wouldn't be passed whilst waiting.
Thing is though, look at the pic in my OP and the width of my lane with the car pictured positioned pretty much dead centre in my lane, although I'm closer to the gutter than the car in the pic, it's not by much and I am signalling right of course.
captain.scarlet said:
Surely there's something that would exonerate extra clearance. Larger vehicles, buses etc do it and swing to one side where the turn is going to be too tight.
Any competent driver behind you should be alert to lanes and driveways and people turning into and out of them.
If nobody is behind you then it should be achievable without an issue.
If on the approach someone is likely going to be right up behind then it helps as a warning to indicate well in advance of the turn-off
and the swing manoeuvre. Again any competent driver would take heed of that.
If someone is right up behind you and you do the same then it's their fault for any perceived 'inconvenience' when they realise the car in front was filtering. In which case, no sleep should be lost over that.
Any competent driver behind you should be alert to lanes and driveways and people turning into and out of them.
If nobody is behind you then it should be achievable without an issue.
If on the approach someone is likely going to be right up behind then it helps as a warning to indicate well in advance of the turn-off
and the swing manoeuvre. Again any competent driver would take heed of that.
If someone is right up behind you and you do the same then it's their fault for any perceived 'inconvenience' when they realise the car in front was filtering. In which case, no sleep should be lost over that.
All of the above.
21st Century Man said:
when I'm in my van both mirrors drag along the walls either side, and that's with them folded in.
To clarify, do you own both properties on each side of the lane?If so, then that's fine; if not, then you're knowingly damaging someone else's property every time you drive your van up and down it? If i was the owner, I'd be having a polite word with you.
It's rough block stone hundreds of years old, it's unmarked, the only damage is the scraping on the black plastic casing of my mirrors. The mirrors are unpainted so there's not even a bit of paint scuff on the stone, which is well worn, scuffed, gouged and weathered anyway. 
Edited by 21st Century Man on Thursday 9th November 15:13
An alternative to consider, would be to indicate RIGHT, and pullover onto the other side of the road, just past your junction.
You can then reverse back into your lane.
The advantages are that you are then travelling in the same direction as the other traffic, you have better visibility of cars approaching, you won't have anyone crossing your path, and obviously, in reverse, you can swing the nose of your stretch limo out more easily.
You can then reverse back into your lane.
The advantages are that you are then travelling in the same direction as the other traffic, you have better visibility of cars approaching, you won't have anyone crossing your path, and obviously, in reverse, you can swing the nose of your stretch limo out more easily.
Thanks BOR, but there's little chance of successfully reversing into and up that lane, though that won't be apparent from the street view pic I posted. The road is usually busy so it would be pretty awkward to get the correct/precise entry angle in, and the lane is really narrow and quite long too. It's seldom been done without a scraped panel or painting yourself into a corner. Although a mate did it once in a 911, he said never again! It's very much forwards in forwards out.
Visitors in cars and tradespeople in vans hate coming up the lane, damage is a regular occurrence. And that's forwards let alone backwards. I've damaged the Century twice so far in four years and I consider that good going really, the neighbours cars are all scuffed to hell, though my wife's Panda has escaped, but then it's a small car.
Visitors in cars and tradespeople in vans hate coming up the lane, damage is a regular occurrence. And that's forwards let alone backwards. I've damaged the Century twice so far in four years and I consider that good going really, the neighbours cars are all scuffed to hell, though my wife's Panda has escaped, but then it's a small car.
Edited by 21st Century Man on Friday 10th November 12:41
It's a 30 and a major A road through the town, usually busy, very busy at peak times naturally. Just as busy Sat/Sun too as at weekends it's a primary leisure route. Evenings and early Sunday morning are about the only quiet times, when I can turn in at leisure and even from the opposite direction too, which requires the whole road.
My view is two options occur:
1. As others have said, position the car a few metres back from the turning point and positioning such that they can't squeeze through. Possible but potentially a bit awkward as you'll be out of position to make the turn
2. Position as normal, but then complete as much of the swing into the road as you can make without any part of your car poking over the centre line.
Both block the road; one guarantees to block the road and elicit sympathy from oncoming motorists who think it's probably better to let you keep the swing going rather than scraping the side of their car as they pass through.
1. As others have said, position the car a few metres back from the turning point and positioning such that they can't squeeze through. Possible but potentially a bit awkward as you'll be out of position to make the turn
2. Position as normal, but then complete as much of the swing into the road as you can make without any part of your car poking over the centre line.
Both block the road; one guarantees to block the road and elicit sympathy from oncoming motorists who think it's probably better to let you keep the swing going rather than scraping the side of their car as they pass through.
If people with normal (as against the bloated new normal) cars can get past whilst you are waiting to turn right i don't see the problem.
If the rear overhang of your car is so large that it causes truck like rear swing, then like the competent truck driver you should time your turn so it doesn't cause an issue, in cases like this its only a few that can get past anyway, for most people their car is too wide to get through and/or they can't judge the space and timing needed.
If everyone waited whilst someone turned right the roads would grind to a halt more rapidly than they already are.
If the rear overhang of your car is so large that it causes truck like rear swing, then like the competent truck driver you should time your turn so it doesn't cause an issue, in cases like this its only a few that can get past anyway, for most people their car is too wide to get through and/or they can't judge the space and timing needed.
If everyone waited whilst someone turned right the roads would grind to a halt more rapidly than they already are.
They're passing me on my right, using the gap in the oncoming traffic that I'm just about to use to turn right, or simply squeezing through between me and the oncoming traffic (and boy, that is a squeeze, the oncoming traffic is forced into the gutter). As per the lady in the MINI that nearly T-boned me as I turned in. Hence my asking about my positioning, am I too far to the left?
StressedDave said:
My view is two options occur:
1. As others have said, position the car a few metres back from the turning point and positioning such that they can't squeeze through. Possible but potentially a bit awkward as you'll be out of position to make the turn
2. Position as normal, but then complete as much of the swing into the road as you can make without any part of your car poking over the centre line.
Both block the road; one guarantees to block the road and elicit sympathy from oncoming motorists who think it's probably better to let you keep the swing going rather than scraping the side of their car as they pass through.
1. As others have said, position the car a few metres back from the turning point and positioning such that they can't squeeze through. Possible but potentially a bit awkward as you'll be out of position to make the turn
2. Position as normal, but then complete as much of the swing into the road as you can make without any part of your car poking over the centre line.
Both block the road; one guarantees to block the road and elicit sympathy from oncoming motorists who think it's probably better to let you keep the swing going rather than scraping the side of their car as they pass through.
Best answer (and understanding, with regard to the latter part of 1.)
Thanks.
Edited by 21st Century Man on Saturday 11th November 10:57
21st Century Man said:
They're passing me on my right, using the gap in the oncoming traffic that I'm just about to use to turn right, or simply squeezing through between me and the oncoming traffic (and boy, that is a squeeze, the oncoming traffic is forced into the gutter). As per the lady in the MINI that nearly T-boned me as I turned in. Hence my asking about my positioning, am I too far to the left?
Ah, i misunderstood sorry, so actually overtaking you on your right whilst you wait to turn.There's no accounting for fools who do this, i have to turn a very sharp right with an artic tanker onto a weighbridge every now and again, its brightly painted and well lit yet i've had fools overtake as i've started to make the albeit obviously slow turn into the premises.
One left field suggestion for you, replace your indicator bulbs with bright LEDs, you can find them with the equivalent of 40w standard bulb brightness and the flash is instant where a normal bulb isn't, might wake the buggers up a bit.
hidetheelephants said:
Ed.Neumann said:
Just sit in the middle a few metres back.
Then you can swing as much as you want when it is clear.
You don't need to be sat waiting inline with the lane.
That does seem like the least worst answer, stopping a car's length or so back from the turn and right up against the centre line.Then you can swing as much as you want when it is clear.
You don't need to be sat waiting inline with the lane.
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