Slip road merging, why is it so hard?
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aturnick54 said:
So it is now the responsibility of the driver in lane one to adjust their speed for vehicles joining? If someone is dawdling along the slip road at 50mph am I expected to slow down to let them in?
I must have missed that part when I was taught to drive. In heavier traffic it will only cause more congestion.
I do find it bizarre in this thread that people are making excuses for other drivers poor planning when merging onto a motorway.
No-one is making excuses for poor driving other than you.I must have missed that part when I was taught to drive. In heavier traffic it will only cause more congestion.
I do find it bizarre in this thread that people are making excuses for other drivers poor planning when merging onto a motorway.
aturnick54 said:
UK roads, because the general level of education of British drivers sucks. This problem simply doesn't exist in the continent. I drive thousands of miles a year in the UK and abroad, I have only ever come across people who are incapable of merging in the UK.
Perhaps as I said before, we need to focus on improving driver education and teach people how to merge onto a motorway or dual carriageway without inconveniencing other road users or posing a danger to them.
Your attitude here shows that you have no interest in being educated or improving your driving.Perhaps as I said before, we need to focus on improving driver education and teach people how to merge onto a motorway or dual carriageway without inconveniencing other road users or posing a danger to them.
Ken_Code said:
Your attitude here shows that you have no interest in being educated or improving your driving.
Or, indeed, learning from your experience.If you were a good driver you would be able to anticipate and mitigate other people's poor driving without having to slam on the brakes at 70 in a live lane.
aturnick54 said:
Gary C said:
You asked what you could have done.
Sitting parallel to another driver was one choice, slowing down was another.
Which do you think in the given circumstances you described would have lead to a safer outcome ?
Do you think a driving examiner would turn a blind eye to a learner driver merging onto a dual carriageway, and in the process forcing another vehicle which had priority to brake? They would very likely receive a serious fault and fail their test. It is far below what is expected of a competent and safe driver.Sitting parallel to another driver was one choice, slowing down was another.
Which do you think in the given circumstances you described would have lead to a safer outcome ?
The suggestion here is to tolerate other people's bad driving, of which we often have no choice these days. But it really is down to the general education of drivers, and further education on how to merge or even how to use motorways and dual carriageways is much needed.
the suggestion here is drive defensively for yours and others safety.
Ken_Code said:
No-one is making excuses for poor driving other than you.
So having to adapt to others poor driving is not making excuses for it?We are encouraging people to just blindly merge from the slip road rather than do it properly by adjusting your speed to traffic in lane one, as you are (or should be) taught. That is exactly why situations like this arise. People think they don't have to give priority to traffic already on the motorway.
Gary C said:
No
the suggestion here is drive defensively for yours and others safety.
Which I do where possible. I make space for others where possible. They keyword is where possible. It is not always possible and people who are merging should recognise this rather than forcing their way onto the motorway.the suggestion here is drive defensively for yours and others safety.
I think if drivers are incapable of joining a motorway safely without causing other drivers to change speed or direction, then they should not be driving full stop. It's not even advanced driving, it's basic.
aturnick54 said:
So having to adapt to others poor driving is not making excuses for it?
We are encouraging people to just blindly merge from the slip road rather than do it properly by adjusting your speed to traffic in lane one, as you are (or should be) taught. That is exactly why situations like this arise. People think they don't have to give priority to traffic already on the motorway.
Do you think being disingenuous is funny?We are encouraging people to just blindly merge from the slip road rather than do it properly by adjusting your speed to traffic in lane one, as you are (or should be) taught. That is exactly why situations like this arise. People think they don't have to give priority to traffic already on the motorway.
You know that people are criticising your poor driving. Pretending that you don’t understand that is silly
Ken_Code said:
Do you think being disingenuous is funny?
You know that people are criticising your poor driving. Pretending that you don’t understand that is silly
I'm still baffled as to how somebody driving in lane one with priority over cars joining the motorway is the poor driver after having being cut off by a merging driver.You know that people are criticising your poor driving. Pretending that you don’t understand that is silly
The poor drivers are those who are incapable of merging onto a motorway without affecting the speed or direction of other drivers. The risk of drivers in lane one adjusting their speed to accommodate people merging is that the person trying to merge is also doing the same thing. Before you know it both drivers are slowing down to 40-50mph in a live lane with vehicles behind which slows down the flow of traffic.
It baffles me that merging onto motorways works in every other country without issue except the UK.
aturnick54 said:
I'm still baffled as to how somebody driving in lane one with priority over cars joining the motorway is the poor driver after having being cut off by a merging driver.
Yes, which makes it quite funny that you bang on about educating others. Your utter refusal to accept your flaws suggests it’s be completely wasted on you.Your pretence that your bad driving means that people are claiming that the other driver wasn’t mistaken too is just bizarre. No-one has claimed that, so why pretend that they have?
aturnick54 said:
Gary C said:
You asked what you could have done.
Sitting parallel to another driver was one choice, slowing down was another.
Which do you think in the given circumstances you described would have lead to a safer outcome ?
Do you think a driving examiner would turn a blind eye to a learner driver merging onto a dual carriageway, and in the process forcing another vehicle which had priority to brake? They would very likely receive a serious fault and fail their test. It is far below what is expected of a competent and safe driver.Sitting parallel to another driver was one choice, slowing down was another.
Which do you think in the given circumstances you described would have lead to a safer outcome ?
The suggestion here is to tolerate other people's bad driving, of which we often have no choice these days. But it really is down to the general education of drivers, and further education on how to merge or even how to use motorways and dual carriageways is much needed.
aturnick54 said:
I'm still baffled as to how somebody driving in lane one with priority over cars joining the motorway is the poor driver after having being cut off by a merging driver.
The poor drivers are those who are incapable of merging onto a motorway without affecting the speed or direction of other drivers. The risk of drivers in lane one adjusting their speed to accommodate people merging is that the person trying to merge is also doing the same thing. Before you know it both drivers are slowing down to 40-50mph in a live lane with vehicles behind which slows down the flow of traffic.
It baffles me that merging onto motorways works in every other country without issue except the UK.
Basically, there is a long history of road captains, spouting the 'Priority !' mantra while refusing to budge an inch from 'their right of way', 'freeman of the land', 'daily mail forever !' bThe poor drivers are those who are incapable of merging onto a motorway without affecting the speed or direction of other drivers. The risk of drivers in lane one adjusting their speed to accommodate people merging is that the person trying to merge is also doing the same thing. Before you know it both drivers are slowing down to 40-50mph in a live lane with vehicles behind which slows down the flow of traffic.
It baffles me that merging onto motorways works in every other country without issue except the UK.
ks and your comments smell very much like them.Ok, yes. Someone barging their way into L1 isn't right and you may have not had time to give more space.
But thats not how it reads.
aturnick54 said:
… It baffles me that merging onto motorways works in every other country without issue except the UK.
Strangely enough, my experience is that it works in the U.K. both when I am entering via a slip-road, or when others are joining via the slip road, and I am on the main carriageway. I wonder why that is? Have a think about it.aturnick54 said:
Which I do where possible. I make space for others where possible. They keyword is where possible. It is not always possible and people who are merging should recognise this rather than forcing their way onto the motorway.
I think if drivers are incapable of joining a motorway safely without causing other drivers to change speed or direction, then they should not be driving full stop. It's not even advanced driving, it's basic.
Are you claiming it was not possible to make a space for the van? And yet you slammed on the brakes, creating a space!I think if drivers are incapable of joining a motorway safely without causing other drivers to change speed or direction, then they should not be driving full stop. It's not even advanced driving, it's basic.
aturnick54 said:
I'm still baffled as to how somebody driving in lane one with priority over cars joining the motorway is the poor driver after having being cut off by a merging driver.
The poor drivers are those who are incapable of merging onto a motorway without affecting the speed or direction of other drivers. The risk of drivers in lane one adjusting their speed to accommodate people merging is that the person trying to merge is also doing the same thing. Before you know it both drivers are slowing down to 40-50mph in a live lane with vehicles behind which slows down the flow of traffic.
It baffles me that merging onto motorways works in every other country without issue except the UK.
Both were poor drivers, the van driver for obvious reasons, and yourself for reasons myself and others have pointed out but you choose to ignore.The poor drivers are those who are incapable of merging onto a motorway without affecting the speed or direction of other drivers. The risk of drivers in lane one adjusting their speed to accommodate people merging is that the person trying to merge is also doing the same thing. Before you know it both drivers are slowing down to 40-50mph in a live lane with vehicles behind which slows down the flow of traffic.
It baffles me that merging onto motorways works in every other country without issue except the UK.
Edited by Super Sonic on Wednesday 17th April 18:00
aturnick54 said:
UK roads, because the general level of education of British drivers sucks. This problem simply doesn't exist in the continent. I drive thousands of miles a year in the UK and abroad, I have only ever come across people who are incapable of merging in the UK.
Perhaps as I said before, we need to focus on improving driver education and teach people how to merge onto a motorway or dual carriageway without inconveniencing other road users or posing a danger to them.
Are you trying to be ironic, or is this a huge windup Perhaps as I said before, we need to focus on improving driver education and teach people how to merge onto a motorway or dual carriageway without inconveniencing other road users or posing a danger to them.
carlo996 said:
aturnick54 said:
UK roads, because the general level of education of British drivers sucks. This problem simply doesn't exist in the continent. I drive thousands of miles a year in the UK and abroad, I have only ever come across people who are incapable of merging in the UK.
Perhaps as I said before, we need to focus on improving driver education and teach people how to merge onto a motorway or dual carriageway without inconveniencing other road users or posing a danger to them.
Are you trying to be ironic, or is this a huge windup Perhaps as I said before, we need to focus on improving driver education and teach people how to merge onto a motorway or dual carriageway without inconveniencing other road users or posing a danger to them.
Pica-Pica said:
Strangely enough, my experience is that it works in the U.K. both when I am entering via a slip-road, or when others are joining via the slip road, and I am on the main carriageway. I wonder why that is? Have a think about it.
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