Slip road merging, why is it so hard?
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aturnick54 said:
Pica-Pica said:
Strangely enough, my experience is that it works in the U.K. both when I am entering via a slip-road, or when others are joining via the slip road, and I am on the main carriageway. I wonder why that is? Have a think about it.
Because you are accustomed to poor driving standards.
Rumdoodle said:
Best that you don't drive abroad, then. The number of road deaths per 100k of population is twice as high in, for example, Turkey.
I drive across Europe, Turkey included. The motorways in Turkey are to a very good standard even if lane discipline is a bit questionable.The fatalities occur mostly on state roads/dual carriageways which for some reason have roundabouts on them and people drive far too fast for the conditions.
I find it interesting that you've chosen to compare with Turkey however.
Pica-Pica said:
Try again.
Most logical reason to me. You facilitate people that don't know how to merge and reinforce the idea that they can just merge into lane one without an ounce of consideration for people already on the carriageway. If people continue in lane one at the same speed, those joining would be forced to adjust their speed as they should do.aturnick54 said:
I'm glad you've taken to trawling through my posts rather than engage in conversation about the topic at hand. Completely off topic.
Your posts show that you have a pathological need to talk down the UK.The topic at hand is that you’re a bad driver who’s too arrogant to learn.
aturnick54 said:
Most logical reason to me. You facilitate people that don't know how to merge and reinforce the idea that they can just merge into lane one without an ounce of consideration for people already on the carriageway. If people continue in lane one at the same speed, those joining would be forced to adjust their speed as they should do.
Oh now I understand, you were maintaining your speed to teach the van driver a lesson ie force him to adjust his speed to merge. Your posts are just getting more idiotic.aturnick54 said:
Rumdoodle said:
It is a wind up account. Check posting history - apparently UK airports are some of the most dangerous in the world.
I'm glad you've taken to trawling through my posts rather than engage in conversation about the topic at hand. Completely off topic.
It's not off topic at all. You're obviously concerned generally about safety. This is an online community. We care about each other. I've pointed out that if you're concerned about airport and road safety, statistically you're best sticking to the UK. I'm just pointing out the reality and using a reference point that you might understand (e.g. a country you have travelled to which is much more dangerous on both metrics) so you won't have to keep starting these fretful threads and can get on and enjoy life.
Blimey! It's tough trying to help people - don't know why I bother!
aturnick54 said:
Rumdoodle said:
Best that you don't drive abroad, then. The number of road deaths per 100k of population is twice as high in, for example, Turkey.
I drive across Europe, Turkey included. The motorways in Turkey are to a very good standard even if lane discipline is a bit questionable.The fatalities occur mostly on state roads/dual carriageways which for some reason have roundabouts on them and people drive far too fast for the conditions.
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You go on holiday there, don't you?
Richtea1970 said:
aturnick54 said:
Why do drivers expect you to slow down or change lane to let them merge onto the motorway?
That’s exactly what you should do . Ironic that you then go on to say how motorway driving standards poor, as you are attributing to it.Ok there is an argument that perhaps if you are already on the motorway and it is safe to do so you should pull onto L2 to help others to join or even adjust your speed to help people enter but this isn't what is stipulated in the highway code, it is just regarded as general courtesy.
HTP99 said:
Richtea1970 said:
aturnick54 said:
Why do drivers expect you to slow down or change lane to let them merge onto the motorway?
That’s exactly what you should do . Ironic that you then go on to say how motorway driving standards poor, as you are attributing to it.Ok there is an argument that perhaps if you are already on the motorway and it is safe to do so you should pull onto L2 to help others to join or even adjust your speed to help people enter but this isn't what is stipulated in the highway code, it is just regarded as general courtesy.
Pica-Pica said:
HTP99 said:
Richtea1970 said:
aturnick54 said:
Why do drivers expect you to slow down or change lane to let them merge onto the motorway?
That’s exactly what you should do . Ironic that you then go on to say how motorway driving standards poor, as you are attributing to it.Ok there is an argument that perhaps if you are already on the motorway and it is safe to do so you should pull onto L2 to help others to join or even adjust your speed to help people enter but this isn't what is stipulated in the highway code, it is just regarded as general courtesy.
Sorry OP but you do come across as a bit of a dick on this one.
"I have right of way, they're in the wrong, why should I do anything for anyone else"
UK motorways are bloody busy. The van in your example doesn't have loads of acceleration so can't get ahead easily. If it slows down to drop behind he's then joining the motorway slower than the other traffic.
Why don't you anticipate whats going on ease off just slightly and work with the other driver to keep everything moving instead of just sitting there with the f
k you attitude.
"I have right of way, they're in the wrong, why should I do anything for anyone else"
UK motorways are bloody busy. The van in your example doesn't have loads of acceleration so can't get ahead easily. If it slows down to drop behind he's then joining the motorway slower than the other traffic.
Why don't you anticipate whats going on ease off just slightly and work with the other driver to keep everything moving instead of just sitting there with the f
k you attitude. Super Sonic said:
Oh now I understand, you were maintaining your speed to teach the van driver a lesson ie force him to adjust his speed to merge. Your posts are just getting more idiotic.
No. I maintain speed so that the van driver can adjust his speed to merge safely, that is exactly what you are taught to do.If I proceed to slow down or speed up, and the van driver does the exact same thing, we are both going to end up continuing alongside each other.
Rumdoodle said:
They probably have roundabouts for the same reason we do in the UK. But, don't quote me on that. And it's probably thicko British tourists driving too fast.
You go on holiday there, don't you?
I have family there. Speed limit is 110km/h on dual carriageways which I stick to.You go on holiday there, don't you?
aturnick54 said:
No. I maintain speed so that the van driver can adjust his speed to merge safely, that is exactly what you are taught to do.
If I proceed to slow down or speed up, and the van driver does the exact same thing, we are both going to end up continuing alongside each other.
If you're in their blind spot and they haven't seen you, what do you normally do?If I proceed to slow down or speed up, and the van driver does the exact same thing, we are both going to end up continuing alongside each other.
If you're doing 70 in lane 1 then I can only think of two scenarios where someone on the slip road can end up tracking alongside you.
(1) They've started behind, caught you up by going faster than 70, and then slowed down again to match your speed. This would indeed be idiotic but seems unlikely given this is a van with presumably limited acceleration, and I can't understand why someone would deliberately make life this hard for themselves.
(2) They were on the slip road ahead of you, and you've caught up to them at a point where they've just reached 70mph. In this case you couldn't be catching them with a particularly large speed differential, and the potential conflict should have been clear well in advance. Easing off by a couple of mph to keep a space clear for them ahead of you is probably all that is needed, and if done with anticipation shouldn't lead to a game of 'brake chicken'.
(1) They've started behind, caught you up by going faster than 70, and then slowed down again to match your speed. This would indeed be idiotic but seems unlikely given this is a van with presumably limited acceleration, and I can't understand why someone would deliberately make life this hard for themselves.
(2) They were on the slip road ahead of you, and you've caught up to them at a point where they've just reached 70mph. In this case you couldn't be catching them with a particularly large speed differential, and the potential conflict should have been clear well in advance. Easing off by a couple of mph to keep a space clear for them ahead of you is probably all that is needed, and if done with anticipation shouldn't lead to a game of 'brake chicken'.
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