Slip road merging, why is it so hard?
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aturnick54 said:
Rumdoodle said:
They probably have roundabouts for the same reason we do in the UK. But, don't quote me on that. And it's probably thicko British tourists driving too fast.
You go on holiday there, don't you?
I have family there. Speed limit is 110km/h on dual carriageways which I stick to.You go on holiday there, don't you?
Is there a Turkish motoring forum you can explain that on? Do post a link to your threads, and I'll happily endorse your message.
Rumdoodle said:
I expect you tell them how to drive more safely, so that their road safety record is more like the UK's.
Is there a Turkish motoring forum you can explain that on? Do post a link to your threads, and I'll happily endorse your message.
They stick to the speed limit yes. What is the relevance of this to slip road merging?Is there a Turkish motoring forum you can explain that on? Do post a link to your threads, and I'll happily endorse your message.
Just a comment about they do it better away from UK.
It's something I used to see regularly driving up the E4 around Stockholm at busy times. All lanes pretty full, most driving a bit close to the one in front, no room to move left into lane 2 as that's just as full.
Some arse comes piling up the slip road and positions directly opposite to someone in lane 1 then get all irate when they don't magic up a space that isn't there.
You just have to do what you have to do to keep space around the vehicle even if that means they don't 'learn their lesson.'
Yes it's reinforcing their behaviour, no different from facilitating a tailgater to overtake. Jousting with vehicles is a mugs game.
It's something I used to see regularly driving up the E4 around Stockholm at busy times. All lanes pretty full, most driving a bit close to the one in front, no room to move left into lane 2 as that's just as full.
Some arse comes piling up the slip road and positions directly opposite to someone in lane 1 then get all irate when they don't magic up a space that isn't there.
You just have to do what you have to do to keep space around the vehicle even if that means they don't 'learn their lesson.'
Yes it's reinforcing their behaviour, no different from facilitating a tailgater to overtake. Jousting with vehicles is a mugs game.
HardtopManual said:
Or instead of sitting in lane 1 thinking "I've got priority" you could simply adjust your speed or move into lane 2 and avoid the conflict altogether. Lane 2 being my preference as it is obvious even to the most inattentive or hesitant merger what you're doing.
It's not always possible to move into lane two, and personally I don't think this should be normalised as people now expect you to do this and this encourages people to merge inappropriately (ie, when there is a car in lane one who has nowhere to go)aturnick54 said:
It's not always possible to move into lane two, and personally I don't think this should be normalised as people now expect you to do this and this encourages people to merge inappropriately (ie, when there is a car in lane one who has nowhere to go)
Yes, you’ve made it clear you’re not very good at this driving thing. aturnick54 said:
Plenty of people in this thread have made it clear that they aren't great drivers either by reinforcing bad driving behaviour which goes against what you are taught.
They’re not the ones complaining that they can’t cope with simple road craft. Perhaps you should get some T Shirts printed, start a local poster campaign and lobby your MP?MitchT said:
There's a DC through my town with really short slip roads. It's a complete nigthmare trying to join if there's someone in L1 staring dead ahead, like you're not there if they can't see you. If you've matched your speed to the traffic and noone lets you merge you're screwed because you can't stop by the end of the slip. I end up coming down the sliproad at about 35 and then nailing it at the last moment when I'm sure there's a gap.
Driving down the aforementioned slip road on Saturday... car in front wanting to merge, car in L1 not moving over. Both ended up stopped at the end of the slip road and on L1, with people behind in L1 now having to swerve into L2 and me sitting behind them on the slip road waiting for the chaos to sort istelf out. L1 car could have moved over. Sliproad car could have slowed down a bit an slotted in behind. Both appeared to have tunnel vision.aturnick54 said:
personally I don't think this should be normalised as people now expect you to do this
This bit leaps out. Understanding what other drivers are likely thinking is an important part of good driving. There are certain driving cultural norms - they differ from country to country - for example we are taught that when turning right and facing someone doing likewise we can turn nearside-to-nearside or offside-to-offside, but the reality is that almost everyone goes nearside-to-nearside 99% of the time so that unless there is a compelling reason to do otherwise you'll just introduce unnecessary confusion by going against the norm.It's pretty much universal that people make significant efforts to move over for merging traffic or at least so their best to facilitate the merge. Because that courtesy is so universal, this too is a cultural norm and people will expect it to happen. Playing "motorway captain" and deciding to teach people a lesson isn't just bad manners, it misunderstands what goo driving is.
If the person merging is in front then culturally they have a perfectly reasonable expectation that they'll most likely have a driver with some basic selflessness who will let them in (if they haven't moved over to lane two already).
We all make mistakes - every one of us has sometimes not paid enough attention to the signs announcing an on slip and found themselves coming up in lane one but having failed to move over the least one should be expected to do is to modify speed to let someone in easily.
I must admit to a little "motorway captaincy" myself when the slip road itself turns into a lane and there is this no need for them (or me) to move over...so I might be a little more stubborn in that case...but always acutely alert to the likelihood that someone will not realise despite my hints, and decide to come over into lane two as a result.
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