So .... Tell me what you think .
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Hi all ,
I've not posted in here before , although I've lurked a lot and have found the discussions in here helpful and informative
Here is a link to some video I took on a run through the Swiss Alps with some friends .
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-9022886...
I'd be interested on your comments regarding my driving , especially considering the end of the video ( if you can be bothered to watch that far ) . No it's not a crash or anything .
There is more to say regarding the events at the end , but I don't want to bias any ones views ( sorry for being so cryptic )
I would say that I can spot a couple of mistakes myself
martin
I've not posted in here before , although I've lurked a lot and have found the discussions in here helpful and informative
Here is a link to some video I took on a run through the Swiss Alps with some friends .
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-9022886...
I'd be interested on your comments regarding my driving , especially considering the end of the video ( if you can be bothered to watch that far ) . No it's not a crash or anything .
There is more to say regarding the events at the end , but I don't want to bias any ones views ( sorry for being so cryptic
)I would say that I can spot a couple of mistakes myself
martin
In my experience, it's very difficult to judge a vehicles speed by watching on-board video, so if the Politzei have an issue with the speed of the vehicles, then I'm unable to comment.
I'm also not very clued-up on Swiss road traffic law, so I've no idea how many of your errors would be offences over there (from what I understand, swiss road trafic law enforcement is very strict).
But if you want some comments on the drive, I'd say that there was nothing which appeared dangerous, there was plenty of space between the cars, so nothing that appeared competitive. I've picked out a few errors...
At about 1.09, you position towards the left of the road on the approach to a L/H bend. The best postion on the approach to a left-hander is towards the right.
At 01.45 and 06.45, you demonstrate poor lane discipline by positioning into left-turn lanes when carrying straight on. At 06.50ish, you also position over a solid white line to obtain a view.
The overtakes you carried out seemed safe and reasonably well planned, but there was an unecessary move to the right at 03.18 just prior to an overtake. I'm presuming this was to straighten the bend, but you'd have been better staying out.
When you were behind the HGV, your following position was very "elastic" and at times, you were too close to get a good view. If you'd moved to the right a bit more on left-handers, you'd have got a better view past the truck.
I'd be interested to hear what the Officers pulled you all over for.
I'm also not very clued-up on Swiss road traffic law, so I've no idea how many of your errors would be offences over there (from what I understand, swiss road trafic law enforcement is very strict).
But if you want some comments on the drive, I'd say that there was nothing which appeared dangerous, there was plenty of space between the cars, so nothing that appeared competitive. I've picked out a few errors...
At about 1.09, you position towards the left of the road on the approach to a L/H bend. The best postion on the approach to a left-hander is towards the right.
At 01.45 and 06.45, you demonstrate poor lane discipline by positioning into left-turn lanes when carrying straight on. At 06.50ish, you also position over a solid white line to obtain a view.
The overtakes you carried out seemed safe and reasonably well planned, but there was an unecessary move to the right at 03.18 just prior to an overtake. I'm presuming this was to straighten the bend, but you'd have been better staying out.
When you were behind the HGV, your following position was very "elastic" and at times, you were too close to get a good view. If you'd moved to the right a bit more on left-handers, you'd have got a better view past the truck.
I'd be interested to hear what the Officers pulled you all over for.
I think that most of my poor lane discipline is the result of me positioning my car to show the people behind me that the road is clear , you can't see that my indicator is on , it makes it easier for the following person to overtake . Although having explained it I wouldn't really excuse it or say that it's good driving .
My failure to observe the solid white lines were the some of the mistakes that I noticed myself
There were also a couple of aborted overtakes , I'd started to accelerate before being certain that the overtake was on .
My unnecessary move to the right was caused by me losing confidence that I had the overtake correctly , as I moved to the right I saw that the road was in fact clear and carried on with the overtake , not good
Having watched the part where I'm following the HGV I can see what you are saying regarding my rather elastic postioning , something to work on .
We were stopped , initially by the boarder police because , they said they had received many phone calls from other drivers complaining about a group of British driver behaving dangerously .
We were held for 30 mins or so until the traffic police turned up . When the traffic policeman turned up he asked to see the video , they could see the camera . I showed the video he said well it's a bit fast but not dangerous but we don't like that sort of thing in Switzerland so I'm going to escort you to Italy where they don't mind that sort of thing .....
Smiles all round , pictures taken with our group and the police and boarder patrol etc . Escorted out of the country at an interesting pace by the Traffic Officer ....
My failure to observe the solid white lines were the some of the mistakes that I noticed myself
There were also a couple of aborted overtakes , I'd started to accelerate before being certain that the overtake was on .
My unnecessary move to the right was caused by me losing confidence that I had the overtake correctly , as I moved to the right I saw that the road was in fact clear and carried on with the overtake , not good
Having watched the part where I'm following the HGV I can see what you are saying regarding my rather elastic postioning , something to work on .
We were stopped , initially by the boarder police because , they said they had received many phone calls from other drivers complaining about a group of British driver behaving dangerously .
We were held for 30 mins or so until the traffic police turned up . When the traffic policeman turned up he asked to see the video , they could see the camera . I showed the video he said well it's a bit fast but not dangerous but we don't like that sort of thing in Switzerland so I'm going to escort you to Italy where they don't mind that sort of thing .....
Smiles all round , pictures taken with our group and the police and boarder patrol etc . Escorted out of the country at an interesting pace by the Traffic Officer ....
No problem with the off topic bit Reg , and thank you for your comments above .
The set up is a camcorder facing to the rear and a bullet camera sucker mounted on the roof recording to a hard drive video recorder .
The picture in picture is done after in the editing software , Adobe Premier Elements .
I'm no expert but have been trying to get some decent video of driving trips and trackdays for a couple of years ...
If you were to mount the camera outside the car and central on the roof with a similar sort of view to mine I think people would get a better view of the position of your car on the road .
The other point worth mentioning is that my bullet camera has a relatively wide angle lens .
Reading other peoples comments about your overtaking video I think it's difficult for some people to relate to the difference in the camera's view point and the drivers eye view .
It might be worth trying to mount the camera in the top right hand corner of the windscreen ? Might be closer to your drivers eye view ?
You can get mounts that would allow you to mount a camera looking over your shoulder , but I think that the view would be obstructed by your head , which sort of defeats the point really ......
I've found these people helpful and they have just about any bit you're likely to need - http://www.fastfilms.co.uk/
HTH
martin
The set up is a camcorder facing to the rear and a bullet camera sucker mounted on the roof recording to a hard drive video recorder .
The picture in picture is done after in the editing software , Adobe Premier Elements .
I'm no expert but have been trying to get some decent video of driving trips and trackdays for a couple of years ...
If you were to mount the camera outside the car and central on the roof with a similar sort of view to mine I think people would get a better view of the position of your car on the road .
The other point worth mentioning is that my bullet camera has a relatively wide angle lens .
Reading other peoples comments about your overtaking video I think it's difficult for some people to relate to the difference in the camera's view point and the drivers eye view .
It might be worth trying to mount the camera in the top right hand corner of the windscreen ? Might be closer to your drivers eye view ?
You can get mounts that would allow you to mount a camera looking over your shoulder , but I think that the view would be obstructed by your head , which sort of defeats the point really ......
I've found these people helpful and they have just about any bit you're likely to need - http://www.fastfilms.co.uk/
HTH
martin
Out of interest at about 6:24, while following the lorry, the lead car overtakes. While the view before the overtake looked like it showed the road to be clear, the actual overtake put the driver in a position where he would not have been able to maintain a clear view of the road ahead. Would this be considered a safe overtake?
Phisp said:
Out of interest at about 6:24, while following the lorry, the lead car overtakes. While the view before the overtake looked like it showed the road to be clear, the actual overtake put the driver in a position where he would not have been able to maintain a clear view of the road ahead. Would this be considered a safe overtake?
It looks ok to me. I've paused the video at the point on the road when that car moves out, and the view seemed fine. Losing the view mid-overtake isn't really a problem, providing you've assessed it properly and taken into account the imaginary high-speed vehicle travelling in the opposite direction.In this case, all seemed fine.
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