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Nigel Worc's
5,279 posts
57 months
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heebeegeetee said: I much prefer to look for good drivers, rather than adopt the 'treat everyone as an idiot' mentality.  
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Mr Grayson
136 posts
44 months
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Wrt the chap in the E Class - he will be at fault, as far as insurance is concerned, badges or no badges.
Wrt braking into corners, ye-es, sort of, as long as it's just being done consciously to improve grip, not because you cocked up and left it too late.
Wrt brakes on/off at a standstill at junctions - keep 'em on as long as they're performing a useful function warning people behind, then put your gearbox into neutral and rest your leg muscles. If they're going to crash into you, you're unlikely to be able to drive out of the way in time... (imho).
Wrt who else is a good driver - anybody who keeps a safe distance, doesn't hold me up, overtakes me in the right place, seems to make the same lane changing decisions as me without needing to copycat, drops back when danger looms, anticipating others' needs, indicates clearly but not excessively, seems able to take care of themselves, and makes allowances for other people, without either treating them as idiots, or presuming too much on their knowledge, and goes on his or her way in a manner that leaves me thinking "they'll be alright, I hope I meet them again".
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BertBert
7,057 posts
80 months
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7db said: If the impact doesn't overcome the grip of the tyres, then why worry about wheel direction? The handbrake will prevent you from moving in any direction. Unless your handbrake is much stronger than those in my cars, it will not hold the wheels to the point of losing grip on anything other than the most slippery of road surfaces. By the way, I like the concept of spotting the "advanced driver", but in all my years, I cannot recall really observing it from the outside. Bert
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p1esk
3,119 posts
65 months
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Syndrome said: I was on the way into work on Monday, when I happened across a nasty looking accident which had only just happened because the people were still extracting heads from arses and getting out of mangled cars. I'm a trained first aider so I pulled up away from the carnage and went to see if anyone needed urgent help or if they wanted an ambulance. The guy who had caused the crash by piling his merc E class into the back of a C2 driven by a very shocked young lady, was banging on loudly about how it couldn't possibly be his fault because he was an advanced driver and had all the badges on his car to prove it. I had to laugh (quietly to myself)   Best wishes all, Dave.
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1950trevorP
117 posts
81 months
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I cannot think of "sure-fire" identifying traits - from the outside.
After all, is "unobtrusive" not one of our aims?
The "best" I can offer is "How far ahead is the 'read' for their commentary?"
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7db
5,533 posts
99 months
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BertBert said: Unless your handbrake is much stronger than those in my cars, it will not hold the wheels to the point of losing grip on anything other than the most slippery of road surfaces. Must be a real drag doing handbrake turns in your cars if that is the case. Almost all handbrakes will grip enough to break traction.
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BertBert
7,057 posts
80 months
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7db said: BertBert said: Unless your handbrake is much stronger than those in my cars, it will not hold the wheels to the point of losing grip on anything other than the most slippery of road surfaces. Must be a real drag doing handbrake turns in your cars if that is the case. Almost all handbrakes will grip enough to break traction. good point, but I never put the handbrake on with the force I'd use to do a HB turn! Bert
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WhoseGeneration
4,090 posts
76 months
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Oh, perhaps, summed up as unobtrusive progress whilst exhibiting consideration for others.
Something I, at least, aim for.
Not always acheiving such, I will admit.
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softtop
2,144 posts
116 months
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Don said: bluetone said: Don said: Brake lights OFF at a standstill. So I am interested to know the logic, thanks! Another point when stationary, say waiting for a junction. I will have the wheels pointing straight forward, I'll be in neutral with my foot off the clutch and generally I'll have my feet off the pedals with the handbrake deployed. Reason? If someone screws up and rear-ends me I'd rather be pushed straight forward. If I was in-gear with the wheels turned and my foot came off the clutch I'd turn into the oncoming traffic.  I have seen a car with wheels turned waiting to go get hit and watched them shoot into the path on an oncoming car. Never turn the wheels like that myself for that reason but seeing it happen makes the consequences come to life.
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bluetone
2,040 posts
88 months
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Don said: Lets say you are in a queue. Brake lights dazzle the guy behind. Mostly you will be in a queue - so it's just a bit of politeness. Do the brake lights make you more visible? Yes they DO! I might consider keeping my brake lights lit just as you describe if, under the specific circumstances, there was an advantage...but not at the cost of dazzling the guy behind. A fair point not dazzling guy behind and as mentioned by another poster above I would extend this courtesy once there's someone stopped behind me. I suspect that the dazzlers in a queue are mostly driving automatics; most of which have their gear levers touched just twice in any journey 
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vonhosen
27,134 posts
86 months
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People's personal values/beliefs will shape what they regard as advanced driving traits & I'd imagine that those traits are what people will look for in others to determine (rightly or wrongly) if somebody else is advanced.
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S. Gonzales Esq.
1,665 posts
81 months
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There's a point where coaching theory crosses over into meaninglessly vague bulls  t, and you might just have passed it there.
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1950trevorP
117 posts
81 months
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vonhosen said: People's personal values/beliefs will shape what they regard as advanced driving traits & I'd imagine that those traits are what people will look for in others to determine (rightly or wrongly) if somebody else is advanced. Indeed. The infamous JLM syndrome. (Just Like Me)
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Syndrome
892 posts
43 months
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I was giving a lift home to some friends of mine on Saturday night, when one of them started banging on about how I should be feeding the wheel and tutting when I used H&T, he also mumbled something about roadcraft. Then he commented on how I was avoiding BGOL nicely. I told him to shut the f k up or he'd be walking the rest of the way.
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p1esk
3,119 posts
65 months
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Syndrome said: I was giving a lift home to some friends of mine on Saturday night, when one of them started banging on about how I should be feeding the wheel and tutting when I used H&T, he also mumbled something about roadcraft. Then he commented on how I was avoiding BGOL nicely. I told him to shut the f k up or he'd be walking the rest of the way. Good man, that's the spirit. We don't want other folk shoving their oar in when we're quite sure that what we're doing is perfectly OK. Best wishes all, Dave.
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Dr Jekyll
5,524 posts
130 months
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Syndrome said: I was giving a lift home to some friends of mine on Saturday night, when one of them started banging on about how I should be feeding the wheel and tutting when I used H&T, he also mumbled something about roadcraft. Then he commented on how I was avoiding BGOL nicely. I told him to shut the f k up or he'd be walking the rest of the way. Using H&T AND avoiding BGOL?
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Syndrome
892 posts
43 months
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Dr Jekyll said: Using H&T AND avoiding BGOL? Not at the same time, he was pissed and annoying but not that pissed and annoying.
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Starfighter
1,149 posts
47 months
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I had a car slip nicely in to a gap in front of me on a roundabout and then followed it for several miles on country A and B roads. I thought at the time it was being rather well driven. On passing it when it pulled it it turned out to be the local force "response" course. They passed me about 10 minutes later at some fairly hairy speed having been "let of the lead" and got a thumbs up from the instructor.
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p1esk
3,119 posts
65 months
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Syndrome said: Dr Jekyll said: Using H&T AND avoiding BGOL? Not at the same time, he was pissed and annoying but not that pissed and annoying. The wholesale avoidance of BGOL is quite unnecessary IMHO. You can make frequent use of BGOL without having any detrimental effects on safety. It's just another of these "should not do" or "must not do" things over which the 'experts' frequently get their knickers in a knot. We ought not to worry about it: leave them with their heads stuck in their rule books if that's what they prefer. The "full separation" enthusiasts are merely sacrificing progress for no good reason in most cases. ....and while we're about it, for "the system" to want the speed to be set before gear selection is made is also b ks to a large extent. It's one of these things that sounds logical superficially, but again it can be disregarded in many cases with quite satisfactory results: and if it ain't appropriate we don't do it. OK?  Best wishes all, Dave - in 'countering the bulls t' mode. 
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waremark
1,616 posts
82 months
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p1esk said: ....and while we're about it, for "the system" to want the speed to be set before gear selection is made is also b ks to a large extent. It's one of these things that sounds logical superficially, but again it can be disregarded in many cases with quite satisfactory results: and if it ain't appropriate we don't do it. OK? And if it is appropriate I suspect you often don't do it either?? Dave, sometimes I think it is a pity that you discourage good practise. Sure, it doesn't really matter how you drive so long as you don't damage yourself or anyone else, but chat here is supposed to be about better driving.
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