Giving way to buses
Discussion
F i F said:
Well let's put it this way, regardless of what the highway code says, and regardless of what the law says, there is a big red vehicle stopped at the side of the road up ahead.
You make a mirror check and observe that it is appropriate and possible to go around said big red bus so you start to establish a plan to do this safely, when you observe that the driver of said big red vehicle has put the right indicators on.
From this observation, what do you anticipate might happen next?
From this observation link, does your plan change and if so how in order to keep a safe space around your vehicle and eliminate any surprises that might be coming your way?
Hint:- This is the advanced driving forum.
Thats what I alwayd do, and my phlosophie is the bus is taking a bunch of people home after a hard days work, and I am just on my own, and will be home far quicker than them, so why delay them. Some people get in their little box's with a wheel at the corner, and the Jekly and Hyde syndrome creaps in.You make a mirror check and observe that it is appropriate and possible to go around said big red bus so you start to establish a plan to do this safely, when you observe that the driver of said big red vehicle has put the right indicators on.
From this observation, what do you anticipate might happen next?
From this observation link, does your plan change and if so how in order to keep a safe space around your vehicle and eliminate any surprises that might be coming your way?
Hint:- This is the advanced driving forum.
Speaking as the driver of one, it's amazing how many drivers of cars will go out of their way to make your life harder than it needs to be. Trying to pull out of a bus stop they will do anything but let you out, seriously a quick flash of the lights and a bus will be out without you even having to slow down much, generally will thank you (as they will be thankful) and will probably pull back off the road at the next stop anyway leaving you back behind the same car you were behind anyway losing nothing and gaining a little karma.
I drive in and around central/east london fairly regularly in my job,and I do give way as much as possible to buses (except if I feel the bus driver is being a t**t,which is not often to be fair).If I had to deal with some of the cretins who use these buses,driving without courtesy would be the least of anyones worries!
arfur daley said:
most bus drivers are w
kers, they will pull out from a bus stop whilst still indicating left, when your in the middle of overtaking them.
Most pull up at a stop and immediately indicate right (to pull out) even though people are still getting on and off. kers, they will pull out from a bus stop whilst still indicating left, when your in the middle of overtaking them.So cars don't overtake and end up queuing until the bus is good and ready to pull off.
C
s the lot of 'em. Given that you have so many bus lanes in London, why on earth do bus's need to indicate to pull out, and why does it hold up other traffic, you can't use the bus lane anyway?
Guess some bus drivers are arrogant, but there are so many other road users with the same attitude, dare I say car drivers?
Guess some bus drivers are arrogant, but there are so many other road users with the same attitude, dare I say car drivers?
Presuming Ed said:
Driving into Central London every day I used to help buses where possible. It took only a few weeks for enough of them to irritate me enough that I now hate them with a passion. Its not just buses though, I hate cyclists, motorbikes, taxis and scooters equally.
Give up driving.Vipers said:
Presuming Ed said:
Driving into Central London every day I used to help buses where possible. It took only a few weeks for enough of them to irritate me enough that I now hate them with a passion. Its not just buses though, I hate cyclists, motorbikes, taxis and scooters equally.
Give up drivingI usually give way to buses when they give you half a chance, as per the highway code.
However only last week a bus was pulled up at a stop, I could see people were getting off and he was indicating left so I moved over to the middle of the road to overtake, got alongside the bus, around back wheel to back wheel, for him to 'signalmanouvre' on me (intentionally left no space in that word), my first instinct was to accelerate past rather than anchor on, but there was an island in the middle of the road which the bus would have happily crushed me into, so I had to brake to let him undertake me then tuck back in behind.
Luckily no-one was close up behind me, needless to say I had a few choice words at the next bus stop. Not sure if he either didnt see me or was a arrogant tt but either way it constituted dangerous driving imo, just for that sake of him trying to excersize his 'right' to pull out without looking for a gap.
However only last week a bus was pulled up at a stop, I could see people were getting off and he was indicating left so I moved over to the middle of the road to overtake, got alongside the bus, around back wheel to back wheel, for him to 'signalmanouvre' on me (intentionally left no space in that word), my first instinct was to accelerate past rather than anchor on, but there was an island in the middle of the road which the bus would have happily crushed me into, so I had to brake to let him undertake me then tuck back in behind.
Luckily no-one was close up behind me, needless to say I had a few choice words at the next bus stop. Not sure if he either didnt see me or was a arrogant t
t but either way it constituted dangerous driving imo, just for that sake of him trying to excersize his 'right' to pull out without looking for a gap.I've just come to the conclusion that there are such utter bellends on the road in all shapes of vehicle that you have to be on full alert all the time.
Yesterday on a rural DC, one of these reduced limit jobs with multiple places where it's been reduced to one lane.
Discovery stopped in a bus stop, indicating left.
On approach he is still indicating left, now normally I don't trust anyone and would normally have shifted to L2 to make a clear space, but was approaching a single lane section so it would have looked to following traffic as a bit of a barmy manoeuvre so I approached still in L1 but with wary eye out.
Good job did as when within less than a vehicle length the Disco set off pulled straight out, still with his indicator going.
Soon as saw him move, checked mirror even though knew there was nobody there and moved into L2, and ended up going over cross hatchings, permitted to avoid a collision.
Returned to L1, Disco still indicating left.
I think to myself, this will be fun at X where there are a number of junctions a garage and a shop close together if somebody takes that indicator to mean anything.
Sure enough in the distance in my mirror I see somebody coming out of the garage assuming the flashing indicator meant something more than that the bulb was working, they pulled out on the Disco, who had to make a bit of an avoidance, then overtake the guy who pulled out, chopped back in close in front and did a brake test.
People like that need taking off the road.
Yesterday on a rural DC, one of these reduced limit jobs with multiple places where it's been reduced to one lane.
Discovery stopped in a bus stop, indicating left.
On approach he is still indicating left, now normally I don't trust anyone and would normally have shifted to L2 to make a clear space, but was approaching a single lane section so it would have looked to following traffic as a bit of a barmy manoeuvre so I approached still in L1 but with wary eye out.
Good job did as when within less than a vehicle length the Disco set off pulled straight out, still with his indicator going.
Soon as saw him move, checked mirror even though knew there was nobody there and moved into L2, and ended up going over cross hatchings, permitted to avoid a collision.
Returned to L1, Disco still indicating left.
I think to myself, this will be fun at X where there are a number of junctions a garage and a shop close together if somebody takes that indicator to mean anything.
Sure enough in the distance in my mirror I see somebody coming out of the garage assuming the flashing indicator meant something more than that the bulb was working, they pulled out on the Disco, who had to make a bit of an avoidance, then overtake the guy who pulled out, chopped back in close in front and did a brake test.
People like that need taking off the road.
On the A59 today a guy up ahead of me stopped to let a bus pull out and the guy behind just charged past both of them. I was once on a bus in Blackburn where the bus driver sounded his horn at every single person who passed him as he was indicating to pull out from a bus stop. Now a lot of bus stops in Blackburn have been built out from the curb so when buses stop traffic simply can't get past.
The other side of the coin, heading south on the A90 Aberdeen, on approach to the Dee roundabout, I am going straight on to cross the bridge, and try to let at least some vehicles out from my left who will be heading North on the A90.
Artic had managed to get his cab onto the roundabout, pillocks of car drivers seeing this, ignored him, and continue to drive around him to get on to the bridge. God forbid someone beats them to it.
I was in the inside lane of the roundabout, so was able to stop, let trucker out, plus a bus and a couple of cars, then as I moved on, within 10 seconds or so, I had caught up the now stationary cars on the bridge.
There is just no give and take on this roundabout, its every man and woman for their selves, selfish barstewards.
I might add this is not a one off, its every night during rush hour.
Artic had managed to get his cab onto the roundabout, pillocks of car drivers seeing this, ignored him, and continue to drive around him to get on to the bridge. God forbid someone beats them to it.
I was in the inside lane of the roundabout, so was able to stop, let trucker out, plus a bus and a couple of cars, then as I moved on, within 10 seconds or so, I had caught up the now stationary cars on the bridge.
There is just no give and take on this roundabout, its every man and woman for their selves, selfish barstewards.
I might add this is not a one off, its every night during rush hour.
Hackney said:
Most pull up at a stop and immediately indicate right (to pull out) even though people are still getting on and off.
So cars don't overtake and end up queuing until the bus is good and ready to pull off.
Cs the lot of 'em.
Thought it might be a good idea to have two sets of indicators for buses. One for turning left or right and the other for just pulling away from or stopping at a bus stop.So cars don't overtake and end up queuing until the bus is good and ready to pull off.
C
s the lot of 'em. But then again, it would take all the fun out of driving around London!
Can't speak for other areas but the latest craze among bus drivers around here is going through red traffic lights.
F i F said:
I've just come to the conclusion that there are such utter bellends on the road in all shapes of vehicle that you have to be on full alert all the time.
Yesterday on a rural DC, one of these reduced limit jobs with multiple places where it's been reduced to one lane.
Discovery stopped in a bus stop, indicating left.
On approach he is still indicating left, now normally I don't trust anyone and would normally have shifted to L2 to make a clear space, but was approaching a single lane section so it would have looked to following traffic as a bit of a barmy manoeuvre so I approached still in L1 but with wary eye out.
Good job did as when within less than a vehicle length the Disco set off pulled straight out, still with his indicator going.
Soon as saw him move, checked mirror even though knew there was nobody there and moved into L2, and ended up going over cross hatchings, permitted to avoid a collision.
Returned to L1, Disco still indicating left.
I think to myself, this will be fun at X where there are a number of junctions a garage and a shop close together if somebody takes that indicator to mean anything.
Sure enough in the distance in my mirror I see somebody coming out of the garage assuming the flashing indicator meant something more than that the bulb was working, they pulled out on the Disco, who had to make a bit of an avoidance, then overtake the guy who pulled out, chopped back in close in front and did a brake test.
People like that need taking off the road.
You were on the A449 weren't you ? and you failed to give priority to a 4 x 4, who was probably a "local" ...... remember that road is for locals ! pmslYesterday on a rural DC, one of these reduced limit jobs with multiple places where it's been reduced to one lane.
Discovery stopped in a bus stop, indicating left.
On approach he is still indicating left, now normally I don't trust anyone and would normally have shifted to L2 to make a clear space, but was approaching a single lane section so it would have looked to following traffic as a bit of a barmy manoeuvre so I approached still in L1 but with wary eye out.
Good job did as when within less than a vehicle length the Disco set off pulled straight out, still with his indicator going.
Soon as saw him move, checked mirror even though knew there was nobody there and moved into L2, and ended up going over cross hatchings, permitted to avoid a collision.
Returned to L1, Disco still indicating left.
I think to myself, this will be fun at X where there are a number of junctions a garage and a shop close together if somebody takes that indicator to mean anything.
Sure enough in the distance in my mirror I see somebody coming out of the garage assuming the flashing indicator meant something more than that the bulb was working, they pulled out on the Disco, who had to make a bit of an avoidance, then overtake the guy who pulled out, chopped back in close in front and did a brake test.
People like that need taking off the road.
On topic, all bus layby's have just been taken away on a main road in Worcester, and the reason given is it increases bus travel time because people wouldn't afford them priority when they were trying to exit one ...... so now the b
ds sit in the road for as long as they want ..... and everyone else has to wait.We're generally in cars, it would appear every other type of road user has priority over us !
I normally give way to buses pulling out, with the exception of those in a few streets in Reading where they have purposely built all the bus stops out in to the road. Every time a bus stops, and up Oxford Road there's a stop every few hundred yards, traffic must stop behind them becuase the council have also decided to build central islands at every stop.
And the piss boiler is they've done this on purpose to try and get the average speed down to 15mph.
So if you get behind a bus on these roads you are stuffed. It's done nothing but turned these roads in gridlocked carparks during busy times.
So, if I get a chance I will NOT let a bus out on these roads, it's a principal thing.
Otherwise, I'm quite happy to let buses out though
And the piss boiler is they've done this on purpose to try and get the average speed down to 15mph.
So if you get behind a bus on these roads you are stuffed. It's done nothing but turned these roads in gridlocked carparks during busy times.
So, if I get a chance I will NOT let a bus out on these roads, it's a principal thing.
Otherwise, I'm quite happy to let buses out though
I have never come across a courteous bus driver. Where I live, all they do is indicate for 1 second (if that) and they regardless if anyone is passing them, they will just pull out. I see this every day, and for that reason I give the bus wkers as much room as possible. Not only this but they play "chicken" (might has right?) with other members on the road. Bath bus drivers you are a waste of space, especially the bendy bus wkers.
kers as much room as possible. Not only this but they play "chicken" (might has right?) with other members on the road. Bath bus drivers you are a waste of space, especially the bendy bus wkers. Some years ago, I was trying to pass a bus, he was stationary, as was I alongside his offside, he put his hand out and thumped my windscreen.
Traffic moved a few feet, I moved a few feet, as did the bus driver, then when he was alongside me and stationary, he put full lock on his bus, moved forward bending my near side mirror in, by the time I had got around and got on the bus, he said
"I have just called the police and reported you for hitting my bus".
Plod duly turned up, I told my story, and they said "Typical bus driver, but at the end of the day sir, his word against yours".
But I don't tar all bus drivers all the same, just this one wker.
Fortunately a company car at that time
Traffic moved a few feet, I moved a few feet, as did the bus driver, then when he was alongside me and stationary, he put full lock on his bus, moved forward bending my near side mirror in, by the time I had got around and got on the bus, he said
"I have just called the police and reported you for hitting my bus".
Plod duly turned up, I told my story, and they said "Typical bus driver, but at the end of the day sir, his word against yours".
But I don't tar all bus drivers all the same, just this one w
ker.Fortunately a company car at that time
On the way back from derbyshire peaks other week in the defender (it spat its diff out so was doing about 30 mph with hazards on and no room to pull over in a safe manor), and we were approaching a bend. A bus didnt even slow down behind us and went straight for the overtake (was a local bus so he should know this). This guy is now on the wrong side of the road going up hill, around a bend, to be met by another bus of the same company comming the other way. We had to go into the ditch at about 30 mph so he could come by. If we didnt he would of took all 3 of us with him.
Seems to be more often than not where i am.
Seems to be more often than not where i am.
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