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hi all,
Currently looking to change car (again)and while scouring the other forums I've notice that the S60 D5 does come up often as a weapon of choice. I had a look on Autotrader to get an idea, the look wouldn't make me buy the car straight away but I do need to have a look at one in the flash. Figures, seems to vary by a fair bit, from 180bhp 140 top speed and 180bhp with nearly 300 lbs/ft for an 07 car to 160 bhp, 130 top speed with nearly 3 seconds difference on 0-60 for an 02 model. I know that those figures are all relative on real life but are considered when buying a new motor.
Down side seems to be the boot and planning a family in the near future this is something that I need to consider.
The V70 estate seems the choice to go for only based on having a bigger boot but again figures do vary a fair bit.
What are both like to drive? I know I can't except a sport car handling stile but I do enjoy my twisty roads which is important to me. What repairs bills and general maintenance are like? Anything to look out for?
If I wouldn't have to be sensible .... http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4047851.htm or http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4035324.htm
Thanks
Currently looking to change car (again)and while scouring the other forums I've notice that the S60 D5 does come up often as a weapon of choice. I had a look on Autotrader to get an idea, the look wouldn't make me buy the car straight away but I do need to have a look at one in the flash. Figures, seems to vary by a fair bit, from 180bhp 140 top speed and 180bhp with nearly 300 lbs/ft for an 07 car to 160 bhp, 130 top speed with nearly 3 seconds difference on 0-60 for an 02 model. I know that those figures are all relative on real life but are considered when buying a new motor.
Down side seems to be the boot and planning a family in the near future this is something that I need to consider.
The V70 estate seems the choice to go for only based on having a bigger boot but again figures do vary a fair bit.
What are both like to drive? I know I can't except a sport car handling stile but I do enjoy my twisty roads which is important to me. What repairs bills and general maintenance are like? Anything to look out for?
If I wouldn't have to be sensible .... http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4047851.htm or http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4035324.htm
Thanks
A friend had a 2002 S60 D5 with a remap to circa 200 BHP and this made it a lot quicker and more fuel efficient. Can't speak for the handling as never drove it but can't imagine it's anything to shout home about. S60R however... 
And for your 'other' considerations... well I drive an 850R Estate with Rica remap to work and back (150 miles a day) and get 35mpg, which I think is fair for 300ish BHP.
And for your 'other' considerations... well I drive an 850R Estate with Rica remap to work and back (150 miles a day) and get 35mpg, which I think is fair for 300ish BHP.
Edited by quantum_man on Tuesday 10th July 11:30
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Yeh, there are a few S60R's on the market at the minute which look nice. I followed one on the M25 a few months ago and it looked great
Personally, I love the 850 Estate! Classic design, plenty of grunt, lots of useful toys and a very comfortable drive. It's also amazingly nice to work on and loads of guides online if you need to fix it.
The manual R I'm running at the minute has covered 130,000 miles and has the slightly stronger 2.3 engine (with larger turbo), plus a Rica ECU. Most of my miles are motorway and if you REALLY try you get get up to 38mpg! The worst return I got was 28.7 mpg, but that was a lot of urban driving and enjoying the performance
Parts can be expensive BUT they do last.
Personally, I love the 850 Estate! Classic design, plenty of grunt, lots of useful toys and a very comfortable drive. It's also amazingly nice to work on and loads of guides online if you need to fix it.
The manual R I'm running at the minute has covered 130,000 miles and has the slightly stronger 2.3 engine (with larger turbo), plus a Rica ECU. Most of my miles are motorway and if you REALLY try you get get up to 38mpg! The worst return I got was 28.7 mpg, but that was a lot of urban driving and enjoying the performance
Parts can be expensive BUT they do last.
My 2003 V70D5 is just approaching 150K miles and still going strong. It's not sporty by any stretch of the imagination but it's an excellent and capable car which can be thrown around country lanes rather better than some would expect. I'm also getting about 50mpg without trying especially hard.
As a family bus it's brilliant - we're back down to 4 children and have now sold the hateful MPV in favour of the Volvo. It's quiet, comfortable, swift and economical. And when we're down to 3 children or less the boot is a fantastic size. Alternatively the roof bars take 100KG so when the seats are in use in the boot there's always a roofbox - and at a sensible height too.
As a family bus it's brilliant - we're back down to 4 children and have now sold the hateful MPV in favour of the Volvo. It's quiet, comfortable, swift and economical. And when we're down to 3 children or less the boot is a fantastic size. Alternatively the roof bars take 100KG so when the seats are in use in the boot there's always a roofbox - and at a sensible height too.
What is wrong with this one? http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4041425.htm
High mileage could mean a new turbo needed soon but still below the average price...
High mileage could mean a new turbo needed soon but still below the average price...
quantum_man said:
I drive an 850R Estate with Rica remap to work and back (150 miles a day) and get 35mpg, which I think is fair for 300ish BHP.
How??? Mine has never done that! I can get 32 if I am good on the motorway, and start stop around town is 28ish, and that is a bog standard manual one.dema said:
What is wrong with this one? http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4041425.htm
High mileage could mean a new turbo needed soon but still below the average price...
Trade centre might imply that its a trade sale and therefore limited / no comeback for problemsHigh mileage could mean a new turbo needed soon but still below the average price...
Its condition would tell me loads of motorway miles - which is good - although its price might be on the high side for its year - maybe??
They're actually surprisingly good to drive on a twisty road, it seems that the harder you push them, the better they like it. If you take corners gently they seem to wallow a bit, but take them by the scruff of the neck and they dig in and get on with it.
Take the fuel economy claims with a pinch of salt though, there's massive variance between seemingly identical models. For instance, my 02 D5 has only ever managed 50 mpg once, and that was on a 500 mile non-stop 70 mph max trip. Otherwise it does low to mid 40's (although the trip computer thinks it's doing 60 mpg plus). Other people I've spoken to (on here also) get better figures, but some don't, so I think it's a matter of luck if you get one that's better than it ought to be on fuel, considering they're an 1,800 KG car unladen.
Take the fuel economy claims with a pinch of salt though, there's massive variance between seemingly identical models. For instance, my 02 D5 has only ever managed 50 mpg once, and that was on a 500 mile non-stop 70 mph max trip. Otherwise it does low to mid 40's (although the trip computer thinks it's doing 60 mpg plus). Other people I've spoken to (on here also) get better figures, but some don't, so I think it's a matter of luck if you get one that's better than it ought to be on fuel, considering they're an 1,800 KG car unladen.
smack said:
How??? Mine has never done that! I can get 32 if I am good on the motorway, and start stop around town is 28ish, and that is a bog standard manual one.
Keep the speed to no more than 65, don't use the turbo, keep momentum (brake as little as possible), ensure correct tyre pressures! I admit, it's not the most fun way to drive but if mpg is what you're after you can do it. How many miles has your R done? I think high mileage can mean worse mpg. My previous 850 was a manual T5 estate (again, with a RICA ECU) with 196k on the clock and that got up to 32mpg max on a comparable run to the R.quantum_man said:
smack said:
How??? Mine has never done that! I can get 32 if I am good on the motorway, and start stop around town is 28ish, and that is a bog standard manual one.
Keep the speed to no more than 65, don't use the turbo, keep momentum (brake as little as possible), ensure correct tyre pressures! I admit, it's not the most fun way to drive but if mpg is what you're after you can do it. How many miles has your R done? I think high mileage can mean worse mpg. My previous 850 was a manual T5 estate (again, with a RICA ECU) with 196k on the clock and that got up to 32mpg max on a comparable run to the R.Super Slo Mo said:
They're actually surprisingly good to drive on a twisty road, it seems that the harder you push them, the better they like it. If you take corners gently they seem to wallow a bit, but take them by the scruff of the neck and they dig in and get on with it.
This is absolutely true (but then true of most cars, you need to be balancing the throttle to keep the driven wheels digging down). My S60 2.0T was a joy on B roads. Not so big that it was unwieldy, and quite accurate and pointy. It didn't struggle to change direction quickly like some big cars do, rather it was well balanced. As mentioned above though, you need to stay on the throttle and point them into the corners. On some B roads my S60 was as quick as my MR2 Turbo, where the MR2 would need a fine balance to keep the back end in check the S60 could charge through, with it's weight acting as a ballast to keep it planted on the roads!
My S60 has one of the most versatile and spacious boots on any Saloon car I've ever had, if you want a Van then get the V70, if you want a saloon car then you can't go wrong with an S60!
I recently chopped in my 52 reg V70 D5 Auto in favour of a BMW E61.
It was a good car but the gearbox was starting to cause problems that a simple flush through didn't fix. Make sure if you are trying an auto that you take if for a long test drive, i.e. 30mins plus if you can. It takes that long for the 'box to get up to temp and that's when they can start playing up.
Complared to my E61 the Volvo is a wallowy barge of a thing, it was more comfortable though, can't deny that.
It was a good car but the gearbox was starting to cause problems that a simple flush through didn't fix. Make sure if you are trying an auto that you take if for a long test drive, i.e. 30mins plus if you can. It takes that long for the 'box to get up to temp and that's when they can start playing up.
Complared to my E61 the Volvo is a wallowy barge of a thing, it was more comfortable though, can't deny that.
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