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Well, I was wrong- quite wrong, as it turns out.
Bear in mind I have spent £2,000 on this car in the last two months, with this Volvo dealer.
Also bear in mind the Japanese import currently for sale for £20,000- which is not in as good a condition as mine, doesn’t have the AP brakes etc.
His offer? £500. As a trade in.
Which strongly motivates me to take said car elsewhere in future.
Bear in mind I have spent £2,000 on this car in the last two months, with this Volvo dealer.
Also bear in mind the Japanese import currently for sale for £20,000- which is not in as good a condition as mine, doesn’t have the AP brakes etc.
His offer? £500. As a trade in.
Which strongly motivates me to take said car elsewhere in future.
Dammit said:
Well, I was wrong- quite wrong, as it turns out.
Bear in mind I have spent £2,000 on this car in the last two months, with this Volvo dealer.
Also bear in mind the Japanese import currently for sale for £20,000- which is not in as good a condition as mine, doesn’t have the AP brakes etc.
His offer? £500. As a trade in.
Which strongly motivates me to take said car elsewhere in future.
I'd certainly tell him thatBear in mind I have spent £2,000 on this car in the last two months, with this Volvo dealer.
Also bear in mind the Japanese import currently for sale for £20,000- which is not in as good a condition as mine, doesn’t have the AP brakes etc.
His offer? £500. As a trade in.
Which strongly motivates me to take said car elsewhere in future.
Well it was certainly nothing more than amusement after all. Although it's gone way past the point of being offensive to be honest.
I'd place money on the salesman not having a customer and wanting it for himself to make a few quid. I hope you laughed at him and responded with the type of reply it warranted?
I'd place money on the salesman not having a customer and wanting it for himself to make a few quid. I hope you laughed at him and responded with the type of reply it warranted?
Tin foil hats off gents.
It'll be merely an exercise to try and buy stock... mailshot every customer with a generic bid based in CAP ID knowing fine well that 99% of those receiving it won't be interested but there may be the odd one or two sub three year old, low mileage cars that the owners make take a cash offer and in turn the dealer gets some stick to shift on.
Everybody is at it these days, probably becauae prices at auction are climbing thus dealers need stock and will try and avenue to secure it and if they can get Mr and Mrs Smith into a brand new V40 in the process, jobs a good un.
An 850R isn't what they're after much like WBAC who offer pennies for certain cars, nit because that's what it's worth but because they don't want it so their pricing matrix low balls it. It's not a human firing out these emails or figures.... anyways, an 850R books at something like £800 CAP clea but we all know they're worth more than that in the right market. Dealers and WBAC etc aren't the right market.
It'll be merely an exercise to try and buy stock... mailshot every customer with a generic bid based in CAP ID knowing fine well that 99% of those receiving it won't be interested but there may be the odd one or two sub three year old, low mileage cars that the owners make take a cash offer and in turn the dealer gets some stick to shift on.
Everybody is at it these days, probably becauae prices at auction are climbing thus dealers need stock and will try and avenue to secure it and if they can get Mr and Mrs Smith into a brand new V40 in the process, jobs a good un.
An 850R isn't what they're after much like WBAC who offer pennies for certain cars, nit because that's what it's worth but because they don't want it so their pricing matrix low balls it. It's not a human firing out these emails or figures.... anyways, an 850R books at something like £800 CAP clea but we all know they're worth more than that in the right market. Dealers and WBAC etc aren't the right market.
Dammit said:
WBAC offers a valuation of £50 for my car, which is entertaining.
I am sure you are 100% in your post- odd thing is that when I mentioned the email to the service staff they'd never seen one, but then maybe I'm the first person to mention receiving one.
Yup, as said...99% of such online valuation tools / buyers use a pricing matrix based on a percentage of CAP value and all have their target market so you may find WBAC offer say 95% of book on a 2 year old, low mileage V60 because that's what they want because that what they can resell on via BCA and such like in to the dealer market. I am sure you are 100% in your post- odd thing is that when I mentioned the email to the service staff they'd never seen one, but then maybe I'm the first person to mention receiving one.
On that note, that's why they offer £50.00 for an old Volvo because it simply does not fit their business model... in short, they don't want it nor do they want a 2003 Focus RS or a 1975 MGB but they buy any car, that's their policy so if somebody is daft enough to accept £50 then so be it and they'll punt it off to auction.
So aye, don't think the dealer should be held to account nor should you take your business elsewhere... you'll probably find the dealer groups marketing / buying department have gleaned all customers emails and banged out a mail shot, fishing for some stock to stick on the forecourt. But it's be carpet bomb tactics, hit everybody and hope the odd one or two yield results. There won't be a human involved so hence it'll hit everything and the values will be generated by some sort of automatic pricing tool.
Been a few chaps got similar emails, been much first waving on the forums... same chaps that put their classics in to WBAC and get infuriated because they valued their 1982 Jaguar XJS at £60.00!
I don't know what is more farcical... being bid £500.00 for yours or a dealer trying to sell a rough one for £20k!
Cheers!
Dammit said:
Values for decent T-5R and 850R seem to be all over the place at the moment, several low mileage Japanese import T-5R's in "that yellow" seem to have gone for strong money.
I'm wondering about this as I have an 850R and wish to either switch it onto an agreed value policy (currently Elephant will give me £500 for it), or possibly sell it.
How, short of actually selling it, to establish what it's worth?
180,000 miles, engine fully rebuilt 20,000 of those ago with a ported head, H-beam rods, back-cut valves etc.
The car has had what I'd term sympathetic upgrades - AP made a big brake kit for these cars which it has, it's got the R manifold, year old 20T turbo, full Ferrita downpipes/100 cell cat/cat-back system and is breathing through a custom MAF, enlarged throttle body and uprated Intercooler.
Suspension wise that's all new, Koni yellows at the front and year old Nivo's at the rear.
So it stops, turns, and will go - depending on the dyno you favour you'll see 350-370 bhp.
Within the last couple of weeks I changed the windscreen, all seals, and had a major service done with all belts, fluids and filters.
= It's worth more than the £500 I'd get if it got T-boned, I believe.
Random post time, but that's my old car!I'm wondering about this as I have an 850R and wish to either switch it onto an agreed value policy (currently Elephant will give me £500 for it), or possibly sell it.
How, short of actually selling it, to establish what it's worth?
180,000 miles, engine fully rebuilt 20,000 of those ago with a ported head, H-beam rods, back-cut valves etc.
The car has had what I'd term sympathetic upgrades - AP made a big brake kit for these cars which it has, it's got the R manifold, year old 20T turbo, full Ferrita downpipes/100 cell cat/cat-back system and is breathing through a custom MAF, enlarged throttle body and uprated Intercooler.
Suspension wise that's all new, Koni yellows at the front and year old Nivo's at the rear.
So it stops, turns, and will go - depending on the dyno you favour you'll see 350-370 bhp.
Within the last couple of weeks I changed the windscreen, all seals, and had a major service done with all belts, fluids and filters.
= It's worth more than the £500 I'd get if it got T-boned, I believe.
If you ever want to sell it please let me know, I bloody loved that car but I need the cash at the time
D_T_W said:
If you ever want to sell it please let me know, I bloody loved that car but I need the cash at the time
I believe it is for sale, ~£10k and probably worth that too... certainly looks to be one of the nicest examples on the market today, far better than some of the offerings that hailed from the Far East. We can but dream! I was asked what I'd done to the car in my ownership - thought it might interest some, its what it takes to keep a 22 year old car in peak condition:
New number plate(s)
New R front bumper
New headlight wiper arms
New headlights
New headlight wiper motors
New bumper inserts
New NS fog light
New 3” core intercooler
New boost pipework
New (larger) throttle body
New ECU (ME 4.4 up from ME 4.3) with map specific to the work carried out
New engine loom
New horns
New engine mounts
New main bearings
New H-beam rods
Ported head, new valves, new valve seals, all new gaskets
New PCV system
New Cam sensor
New Crank sensor
New R clutch, pressure plate etc
New control arms
New Koni adjustable shocks
New AP floating rotors and DS2500 pads
New ABS sensors
Refurbished Volans
Goodyear Eagle F1’s all round
New R exhaust manifold
New 20T turbo
Reconditioned ABS control unit
Ferrita 3” downpipe with 200 cel cat
Ferrita 2.5” exhaust system
New heater matrix
New coolant pipes including bulkhead connectors
New aircon pipes (old ones leaking, aircon fully functional)
New windscreen (old one was delaminating at the bottom)
New wheel arch liners all round
New windscreen seals
New roof-rail seals
New roof-rails
New fuel filter
New fuel pump
New handbrake cables
New handbrake shoes
New rear discs+pads
New ABS sensors
Tailgate “fix kit”
New bumper supports (old ones rusted out)
Recent four wheel alignment by Volvo
All parts OEM Volvo, and I know I have forgotten stuff.
It's running 350 bhp and 550Nm in current state of tune, the engine is built to accept a much larger turbo however.
The car was detailed at the end of summer last year including a full ceramic coating, so you show it the hose and all the crap falls off, then you dry it with a microfibre cloth to get the shine in the photographs.
I also bought the last DS front wing that Volvo had in stock, and window seals for all four windows - stocking up on parts for an eventual respray.
The advert is here: https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
New number plate(s)
New R front bumper
New headlight wiper arms
New headlights
New headlight wiper motors
New bumper inserts
New NS fog light
New 3” core intercooler
New boost pipework
New (larger) throttle body
New ECU (ME 4.4 up from ME 4.3) with map specific to the work carried out
New engine loom
New horns
New engine mounts
New main bearings
New H-beam rods
Ported head, new valves, new valve seals, all new gaskets
New PCV system
New Cam sensor
New Crank sensor
New R clutch, pressure plate etc
New control arms
New Koni adjustable shocks
New AP floating rotors and DS2500 pads
New ABS sensors
Refurbished Volans
Goodyear Eagle F1’s all round
New R exhaust manifold
New 20T turbo
Reconditioned ABS control unit
Ferrita 3” downpipe with 200 cel cat
Ferrita 2.5” exhaust system
New heater matrix
New coolant pipes including bulkhead connectors
New aircon pipes (old ones leaking, aircon fully functional)
New windscreen (old one was delaminating at the bottom)
New wheel arch liners all round
New windscreen seals
New roof-rail seals
New roof-rails
New fuel filter
New fuel pump
New handbrake cables
New handbrake shoes
New rear discs+pads
New ABS sensors
Tailgate “fix kit”
New bumper supports (old ones rusted out)
Recent four wheel alignment by Volvo
All parts OEM Volvo, and I know I have forgotten stuff.
It's running 350 bhp and 550Nm in current state of tune, the engine is built to accept a much larger turbo however.
The car was detailed at the end of summer last year including a full ceramic coating, so you show it the hose and all the crap falls off, then you dry it with a microfibre cloth to get the shine in the photographs.
I also bought the last DS front wing that Volvo had in stock, and window seals for all four windows - stocking up on parts for an eventual respray.
The advert is here: https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Khaki Suit said:
Nice buy, fancy sharing pics?
On the subject of Guls, or just T5R's, why does everyone hate on the Japanese imports? Is there a difference in the cars, or an underlying problem, or is it just the snobbery of having a domestic market version rather than an import?
Japanese import wouldn’t have bothered me at all but only saloon import at reasonable money was in Yorkshire at a certain garage that has a very poor reputation. I’m down in Kent so Yorkshire is too far to look at a cheap old car. Bought mine from London last week. Needs a few jobs doing but it’s a good base to work from. I enjoy driving it even though my other car is a F80 M3, it goes quite well for an old motor.On the subject of Guls, or just T5R's, why does everyone hate on the Japanese imports? Is there a difference in the cars, or an underlying problem, or is it just the snobbery of having a domestic market version rather than an import?
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