2015 XC90 Pictures

[Nick644]

kapiteinlangzaam said:

kryten22uk said:

kapiteinlangzaam said:

Q7, ML, X5, LR Disco certainly.

RR and RRS are a price class above.

The RRS base price includes more as standard compared to what you get in the Q7/X5/ML. So they’re more similar priced once spec’d. All are more expensive than XC90. Either way, I don’t think the price dictates the segment as much with this class. The class is for a 7-seat 4x4, for which all of the above compete. The new XC90 is currently competing by pricing lower, acknowledging its probably lower quality, but its still in the same segment.

We will have to agree to disagree then.

If I were in the market for a RR or RRS, I wouldnt be looking at XC90s.

Funnily enough, I am in the market for a large comfortable SUV for long European trips, much of it in Eastern Europe, often in winter, where roads can be in pretty bad condition and covered in snow and personally consider the RR in the same market segment even if the RR is a little more expensive. I would spec the XC90 with most options because I am used to them and love them. What lets the RRS down is bad packaging for a family and the 7 seater Disco is a market segment lower in terms of luxury with more cramped third row.

If the RRS had similar internal space as the XC90 with 7 seats, I would seriously consider it, irrespective of an increase in price, (though might then be tempted to buy a year old one to save 20%). I guess I am an anomaly when it comes to the marketing focus groups. What I love about the XC90 is it has a more low key family orientated image compared to the RR, which, as lovely as it is, has a bit of a bling/ footballers image, (again just my personal quirky outlook look no doubt at odds with most of the population). I also applaud the Swedes for up to date infotainment, a first in the car industry. Audi and Mercedes need to catch up quick whilst the RR/RRS is currently two decades behind infotainment wise! I want my car infotainment to operate and sync like my phone and have firmware updates ideally like Tesla where even the engine/gearbox/ECU can be improved via internet as and when the factory comes up with software upgrades. I suspect Volvo are looking at this for the near future. They certainly have the technological platform for it.

Looking forward to test driving an XC90 with air suspension and a panoramic roof.

Edited by Nick644 on Tuesday 19th May 19:12

Edited by Nick644 on Wednesday 20th May 07:59

[kryten22uk]

kapiteinlangzaam said:

We will have to agree to disagree then.

If I were in the market for a RR or RRS, I wouldnt be looking at XC90s.

Just for clarity, I'm only talking RRS, not RR. I class the latter in a different segment. I am however currently in the market, and am evenly considering another RRS as I am a Cayenne, Q7 and XC90.

Conversely, one of the pro's I have down for the RRS is that it will be cheaper, in that I personally think it'll depreciate less. I'm less concerned by the price tag of a car, than the amount its going to actually cost over the 3 years of ownership.

[oop north]

What car's online test repeats the above report of ride being poor on the metal sprung xc90, which is disappointing

[TVR1]

oop north said:

What car's online test repeats the above report of ride being poor on the metal sprung xc90, which is disappointing

The Momentum was supposed to be the best seller, so was to a degree, modelled on the previous set up. Have in mind that this is a new ball game for Volvo so conservatism was the key.

As it turns out, what Volvo projected would be the mix between standard/high spec is about as opposite as you could imagine.

I've spent time with both now. Momentum suspension comments agreed-but get 5 people aboard and it all changes. Inscription is designed for a different customer.

I generally stay away from offers but if any of you want to try one, PM me and happy to arrange it if you are around the M25

[TVR1]

oop north said:

What car's online test repeats the above report of ride being poor on the metal sprung xc90, which is disappointing

The Momentum was supposed to be the best seller, so was to a degree, modelled on the previous set up. Have in mind that this is a new ball game for Volvo so conservatism was the key.

As it turns out, what Volvo projected would be the mix between standard/high spec is about as opposite as you could imagine.

I've spent time with both now. Momentum suspension comments agreed-but get 5 people aboard and it all changes. Inscription is designed for a different customer.

I generally stay away from offers but if any of you want to try one, PM me and happy to arrange it if you are around the M25

[oop north]

Thanks, but am in Preston. Will be trying one week after next from local dealer - who were supposed to be letting me know as soon as demo arrived. But didn't - though they confirmed they had my details on their list of interested people. Had a bit of a nose around the demo.

The reviews all say something a little different, with autocar saying it's a bit firm, not quite as good as D4 but still very good. I rethink What Car were more negative. The inscription suspension is no different from momentum, though, surely? Latter has bigger wheels as standard so expect ride to be worse than momentum

I will probably wait until driven T8 (poss company purchase) though will do the maths to see if private D5 works out better. The salesman seemed to think T8 would have better residuals, but I am not so sure

[TVR1]

kapiteinlangzaam said:

oop north said:

The inscription suspension is no different from momentum, though, surely?

Momentum = steel spring

Inscription = air ride

Air suspension is optional on both.

[TVR1]

kapiteinlangzaam said:

oop north said:

The inscription suspension is no different from momentum, though, surely?

Momentum = steel spring

Inscription = air ride

Air suspension is optional on both.

[oop north]

kapiteinlangzaam said:

TVR1 said:

kapiteinlangzaam said:

oop north said:

The inscription suspension is no different from momentum, though, surely?

Momentum = steel spring

Inscription = air ride

Air suspension is optional on both.

But what are they giving out on the test / demo / press cars?

It would seem likely that momentum spec are on the steel springs and the inscriptions on air.

Isn't that just speculation?

[kryten22uk]

kapiteinlangzaam said:

But what are they giving out on the test / demo / press cars?

It would seem likely that momentum spec are on the steel springs and the inscriptions on air.

My dealer has two Inscription cars, and both are on steel springs. Apparantly air suspension not yet available.

[oop north]

The plug in should be eligible for the, erm, plug in £5k subsidy but not seen anything on that anywhere - a quick google suggests there is a fixed list of eligible cars. Anyone know if Volvo are going through the process to get the T8 on that list?

I have done the maths and assuming a 30% residual value after 3 years / 60k miles (which may not be correct) the T8 works out cheaper through a company than a D5 privately with the same options... before accounting for the subsidy

[oop north]

Though BMW do similar things with press cars (well with adaptive dampers anyway on 3s and 5s) that are then hardly ever fitted to demonstrators - so what happens on press cars doesn't necessarily follow through into demonstrators

[kryten22uk]

oop north said:

The plug in should be eligible for the, erm, plug in £5k subsidy but not seen anything on that anywhere - a quick google suggests there is a fixed list of eligible cars. Anyone know if Volvo are going through the process to get the T8 on that list?

I have done the maths and assuming a 30% residual value after 3 years / 60k miles (which may not be correct) the T8 works out cheaper through a company than a D5 privately with the same options... before accounting for the subsidy

Yes, Volvo are currently in the process of getting on the approved list for £5k grant (takes a while). Until that point, they are not permitted to mention the grant on any literature.

[oop north]

kryten22uk said:

oop north said:

The plug in should be eligible for the, erm, plug in £5k subsidy but not seen anything on that anywhere - a quick google suggests there is a fixed list of eligible cars. Anyone know if Volvo are going through the process to get the T8 on that list?

I have done the maths and assuming a 30% residual value after 3 years / 60k miles (which may not be correct) the T8 works out cheaper through a company than a D5 privately with the same options... before accounting for the subsidy

Yes, Volvo are currently in the process of getting on the approved list for £5k grant (takes a while). Until that point, they are not permitted to mention the grant on any literature.

Must resist ordering one... actually, I should probably wait until after the emergency budget in early July - I seem to remember that the initial funds for the grant are due to run out in the next couple of months - and it is rather unclear what will happen to tax on cars (by that I mean BIK tax and the grant and RFL etc) given the recent furore on NOx from diesels. There might be some changes to benefit further cars like the T8. I am not sure when one would be likely to be delivered if ordered now...

[Acamp76144]

Drove the demo car today. Interior very impressive. Might not go for black paint though - didn't suit all the chrome with the inscription (although we are getting an r design later in the year).wife wants white (which did look good on the car in the showroom, but likely compromise on grey). D5 engine punchy enough, but will probably polestar chip it when available for a by more shove. Overall will be a great family wagon.

[oop north]

kapiteinlangzaam said:

A long time.

If the production of the T8 is anything like the V60 D6..... The Netherlands, Norway and California were all 'priority markets' due to the huge demand for Hybrids.

It remains to be seen whether the XC90 will have similar delays to V60 - though a delay would help me save up

[Murph7355]

Acamp76144 said:

Drove the demo car today. Interior very impressive. Might not go for black paint though - didn't suit all the chrome with the inscription (although we are getting an r design later in the year).wife wants white (which did look good on the car in the showroom, but likely compromise on grey). D5 engine punchy enough, but will probably polestar chip it when available for a by more shove. Overall will be a great family wagon.

Out of interest, what was the turning circle like, and how was the gearbox (am assuming you tried an auto) in terms of pick up speed?

[BlackLabel]

kapiteinlangzaam said:

The Volvo press cars currently running around in the Yorkshire Dales are on air suspension.

See here:

http://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=229...

It looks really nice.

[Acamp76144]

I didn't really do enough manoeuvring to judge turning circle. It does feel like a big car, more so than the x5, but that's maybe due to lack of familiarity.

Power and pickup was fine. I'm going to add polestar chip when available for a bit more oomph.

They are very sensitive to colour choice, seem to suit light colours better. I've caved and let the Mrs get pearlescent white, which actually really suits the car and shows off its lines.

Finish is very good internall, feels much more special than equivalently priced X5. Our design is coming in close to 60k by the time I've ticked off lots of the options list.l

[oop north]

As context - my wife has had an xc90 for just under three years (2006 SE Lux). I have Subaru Outback 3.0

Just had a drive of D5 Momentum with 20 inch wheels. Grey paint, black leather interior, metal trim. Was showing 38mpg on trip but salesman was at pains to point out that was low for, all the local running around it had been doing - no idea what real world consumption is

Very disappointed with the tyre noise - reminded me of a BMW 330d I drove for four days late 2012 that gave me a headache - I think it is an unfortunate pitch of noise that I am susceptible to - nobody I gave a ride in the BMW 2.5 years ago knew what I was talking about and the salesman today said nobody had commented on tyre noise as being excessive. Must be just me then

Other points - like the space very much - more room than my wife's 2006 xc90 (decent boot space behind third row of seats - quite a bit better than previous xc90 - and lots of room in second row for passengers as well as front seats), faster in a straight line, nice steering, good round a roundabout - didn't feel particularly big to drive. The engine noise was a bit meh, but not really awful - neither good nor bad. A bit disappointed with the ride - not exactly bad but fairly firm and possibly a bit crashy.

The standard speed limit display is good - a mph sign (white circle with red surround) at bottom of instrument panel and a red line on the speedo - seemed confused by a 40mph temp limit on a dual carriageway though.

I don't like the metal trim either on the Momemtum I drove or the Inscription in the showroom (one was a mesh and the other smoother) - looked very good quality but I just didn't like it. Would be nice to see a wood alternative in a car rather than a small sample as on the showroom wall. The R Design sample looked quite nice

On the samples the bronze looks quite nice but best is the bursting blue, only available on R design (within I would never buy)

The inscription had the blond interior - which is pale grey rather than blond, I would say. Didn't like that at all