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Darlo74 said:
Anyone put an order in yet, and got a delivery date? I'm wondering when we'll start to see them on the road...
I have an order for a D5 R-Design delivery due in October.
I want one, but I need to see it in the flesh. I didnt see any rear seat tv screens option, and by the looks of things they've got 'trendy' headrests which dont look like they'll support the (Rosen) aftermarket screens. The rear seat entertainment is must have for me, so unfortunately its looking like I'll have to order another Range Rover Sport instead.I have an order for a D5 R-Design delivery due in October.
Darlo74 said:
Anyone put an order in yet, and got a delivery date? I'm wondering when we'll start to see them on the road...
I have an order for a D5 R-Design delivery due in October.
Not myself, no, but my manager at work has placed an order for a D5 and has been told "probably" November.I have an order for a D5 R-Design delivery due in October.
February then, I told him,
kryten22uk said:
I want one, but I need to see it in the flesh. I didnt see any rear seat tv screens option, and by the looks of things they've got 'trendy' headrests which dont look like they'll support the (Rosen) aftermarket screens. The rear seat entertainment is must have for me, so unfortunately its looking like I'll have to order another Range Rover Sport instead.
The RSE system consists of an iPad (or whatever) charger/holder integrated into the back of the headrest. Looket said:
The RSE system consists of an iPad (or whatever) charger/holder integrated into the back of the headrest.
Apple iPlay.It will rinse your data costs unless you have downloaded movies/music to your device though.
Having said that-I've seen it and it's fabulous.
Edited by TVR1 on Sunday 22 March 18:28
Looket said:
Carplay? 
It seems Volvo have dropped all mention of any RSE from their website - though I've seen the pictures with my own eyes. A bit of digging suggests the holders didn't pass crash tests so they are back to the drawing board.
I couldn't see anything on website or brochure either. That said I'm not a fan of those clips/holders versions of RSE. They're bulky and a faff, and maybe as well paint a bullseye on your window saying 'break in here!'. Same issue as TomTom owners used to have.It seems Volvo have dropped all mention of any RSE from their website - though I've seen the pictures with my own eyes. A bit of digging suggests the holders didn't pass crash tests so they are back to the drawing board.
The idea of RSE to me means it must be permanent and integrated. I don't want to have the hassle of remembering to take separate iPads into the car each trip, nor worrying about hiding them when we get to the destination.
Let's hope they come up with a decent solution next.
kryten22uk said:
I couldn't see anything on website or brochure either. That said I'm not a fan of those clips/holders versions of RSE. They're bulky and a faff, and maybe as well paint a bullseye on your window saying 'break in here!'. Same issue as TomTom owners used to have.
The idea of RSE to me means it must be permanent and integrated. I don't want to have the hassle of remembering to take separate iPads into the car each trip, nor worrying about hiding them when we get to the destination.
Let's hope they come up with a decent solution next.
From the picture I saw it looked like some kind of folding mechanism integrated into the plastic bit of the headrest. Looked fairly good. But as said, it appears to have been scrapped so also quite irrelevant. The idea of RSE to me means it must be permanent and integrated. I don't want to have the hassle of remembering to take separate iPads into the car each trip, nor worrying about hiding them when we get to the destination.
Let's hope they come up with a decent solution next.
I'm in both camps as for your last point. I too like integrated RSE but can also see the appeal of something portable - you can easily upgrade and aren't left with a rapidly aging system nigh on impossible to replace. With an elegant solution I think Volvo are onto a winner, and especially so if they pair it to the main entertainment system via Carplay or Volvo on Call. I don't have children but I was under the impression that they are physically attached to their iPads/other gadgets?
I would, I can't compare to other cars in its class but my dads 2014 RRS has air suspension and the ride is so smooth and comfortable. That means getting into a Defender afterwards is even more uncomfortable!
I really like the new XC90, it's really making the RRS look a bit dated (however I still prefer it, of course!) and LR need to get a move on updated the dated infotainment system,
I really like the new XC90, it's really making the RRS look a bit dated (however I still prefer it, of course!) and LR need to get a move on updated the dated infotainment system,
The tech geek in me is considering the hybrid. Assuming u get the 5k grant, it would be 8k more than the d5. Anyone got any ideas how u work out what the fuel savings would be assuming say 10k pa, and mainly short trips using electric power. No idea what it would cost to charge it overnight each time (giving say 20 miles range each time). It would be a private purchase too to the bik advantages aren't relevant to me (unfortunately!)
Acamp76144 said:
The tech geek in me is considering the hybrid. Assuming u get the 5k grant, it would be 8k more than the d5. Anyone got any ideas how u work out what the fuel savings would be assuming say 10k pa, and mainly short trips using electric power. No idea what it would cost to charge it overnight each time (giving say 20 miles range each time). It would be a private purchase too to the bik advantages aren't relevant to me (unfortunately!)
Very difficult to work out as no one knows the real world MPG of these new cars yet.Acamp76144 said:
The tech geek in me is considering the hybrid. Assuming u get the 5k grant, it would be 8k more than the d5. Anyone got any ideas how u work out what the fuel savings would be assuming say 10k pa, and mainly short trips using electric power. No idea what it would cost to charge it overnight each time (giving say 20 miles range each time). It would be a private purchase too to the bik advantages aren't relevant to me (unfortunately!)
i think the fuel savings are a red herring. You do save 300 pounds or so on car tax annually. you also get additional options on the hybrid. finally the trade in value on the car will be higher for the hybrid.7 seats standard on all uk cars, a few bits and pieces are standard with the t8 but not material.
Why would residual be better than d5, I would have thought the opposite as there is more to go wrong, assume batteries have relatively limited life and smaller second hand market - much more niche buyer
Why would residual be better than d5, I would have thought the opposite as there is more to go wrong, assume batteries have relatively limited life and smaller second hand market - much more niche buyer
Acamp76144 said:
7 seats standard on all uk cars, a few bits and pieces are standard with the t8 but not material.
Why would residual be better than d5, I would have thought the opposite as there is more to go wrong, assume batteries have relatively limited life and smaller second hand market - much more niche buyer
It doesnt need to be a 'niche' buyer in this case.Why would residual be better than d5, I would have thought the opposite as there is more to go wrong, assume batteries have relatively limited life and smaller second hand market - much more niche buyer
Typically buyers might steer away from a hybrid due to the higher cost, or the fact that they want the bigger sportier engines. However for the XC90, there isnt a throaty V8 option, and the Hybrid is actually faster and more economical. So its basically just a D5 plus extra. So its value certainly shouldnt ever fall below that of a regular non-hybrid model. Thats thinking in the region of upto 10 years. Thereafter, perhaps battery issues may start to affect the value, but thats way off.
To add to the case of the Hybrid, I think public perception/opinion/desire for hybrids will increase over time, as more and more these types of cars become the norm, and efficiency becomes more headline news.
kryten22uk said:
Acamp76144 said:
7 seats standard on all uk cars, a few bits and pieces are standard with the t8 but not material.
Why would residual be better than d5, I would have thought the opposite as there is more to go wrong, assume batteries have relatively limited life and smaller second hand market - much more niche buyer
It doesnt need to be a 'niche' buyer in this case.Why would residual be better than d5, I would have thought the opposite as there is more to go wrong, assume batteries have relatively limited life and smaller second hand market - much more niche buyer
Typically buyers might steer away from a hybrid due to the higher cost, or the fact that they want the bigger sportier engines. However for the XC90, there isnt a throaty V8 option, and the Hybrid is actually faster and more economical. So its basically just a D5 plus extra. So its value certainly shouldnt ever fall below that of a regular non-hybrid model. Thats thinking in the region of upto 10 years. Thereafter, perhaps battery issues may start to affect the value, but thats way off.
To add to the case of the Hybrid, I think public perception/opinion/desire for hybrids will increase over time, as more and more these types of cars become the norm, and efficiency becomes more headline news.
Granted, most people will be using a T8 for the school run in an inner city, so the T8 makes perfect sense in this environment. However, if you intend to do motorway miles or take the car regularly abroad with the family, the D5 will be the only alternative. 500mile plus range compared with maybe 200-250 mile range? For some of us, range is important.Caught in the middle of nowhere looking for a fuel station is no fun. One day, we might have the best of both worlds, a diesel with standard 70 litre tank connected to a hybrid system for city driving. Until then, with battery tech coming on leaps and bounds I suspect the D5 will hold its value far better after 3 years, is 10K cheaper to buy new and will appeal to a far wider audience, especially when second hand.
But 50 litres is 11 gallons and you are saying it will only do 200-250 miles range - so it will average 22 max on a run? Seems too pessimistic to me, though it remains to be seen. I'd have thought it should manage 30 or more at 70mph so should be 300+ miles range which is enough. I think a few will be bought by businesses / self-employed people for the tax benefits. No idea what residuals will be - cannot imagine them being worth as much proportionately as D5
oop north said:
But 50 litres is 11 gallons and you are saying it will only do 200-250 miles range - so it will average 22 max on a run? Seems too pessimistic to me, though it remains to be seen. I'd have thought it should manage 30 or more at 70mph so should be 300+ miles range which is enough. I think a few will be bought by businesses / self-employed people for the tax benefits. No idea what residuals will be - cannot imagine them being worth as much proportionately as D5
Point taken, but even if the D5 does 38 mpg on a motorway, that's over 600 miles. I suspect it will do in the early 40's. That's quite a big difference to the T8. There is a particularly affirming review in the April edition of CAR.
Praising the effect of the new cast aluminium double front wishbones on the ride and handling which must bode well for their incorporation in the upcoming new big saloon and estate on this new platform.
However some adverse comment on the pricey T8: "the petrol part of the equation isn't exactly muted and the stitching together of the two power sources isn't as neat as it could be. if the objective is seamless integration, there's a little work still to do on the pre-production T8 before it reaches customers".
I cannot imagine Volvo making any inroads into their established rivals' positions at the T8 price level anyway.
Don.
Praising the effect of the new cast aluminium double front wishbones on the ride and handling which must bode well for their incorporation in the upcoming new big saloon and estate on this new platform.
However some adverse comment on the pricey T8: "the petrol part of the equation isn't exactly muted and the stitching together of the two power sources isn't as neat as it could be. if the objective is seamless integration, there's a little work still to do on the pre-production T8 before it reaches customers".
I cannot imagine Volvo making any inroads into their established rivals' positions at the T8 price level anyway.
Don.
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