2002 v70, but of a dog. Advice required.
Discussion
Bought a Volvo v70, 2002 D5 2.4 manual diesel estate (164k miles) last weekend but it needs a bit of work.
Firstly (this is the biggie) I've got an intermittent clutch/flywheel noise. Only happens sometimes but one time it was ridiculously loud, an uneven bumping/clanging which altered with the clutch on/off. Thought it was game over right there but it settled down. There's a vibration in the clutch too, not very noticeable once you're up through a few gears it's more low speeds.
Second there's an oil leak from the drivers (RHD) side of the engine bay. Near the bulkhead, I'll need to investigate further for more details, don't think it's engine oil though.
Finally the drivers door lock is temperamental, buzzes and doesn't open sometimes. Has only ever happened in the morning, fine at other times.
Rest of the car seems ok, what I'm after is a reliable workhorse but beginning to wonder if it's worth repairing?
I'll be using for towing.
Any advice on the advice appreciated.
Cheers,
Dunc.
Firstly (this is the biggie) I've got an intermittent clutch/flywheel noise. Only happens sometimes but one time it was ridiculously loud, an uneven bumping/clanging which altered with the clutch on/off. Thought it was game over right there but it settled down. There's a vibration in the clutch too, not very noticeable once you're up through a few gears it's more low speeds.
Second there's an oil leak from the drivers (RHD) side of the engine bay. Near the bulkhead, I'll need to investigate further for more details, don't think it's engine oil though.
Finally the drivers door lock is temperamental, buzzes and doesn't open sometimes. Has only ever happened in the morning, fine at other times.
Rest of the car seems ok, what I'm after is a reliable workhorse but beginning to wonder if it's worth repairing?
I'll be using for towing.
Any advice on the advice appreciated.
Cheers,
Dunc.
First one sounds like the DMF is right on it's last legs, so you'll need a new clutch and DMF. The concentric slave cylinder should be changed too while it's all in bits. £800 - £1k at an independent.
Could the oil be PAS fluid? They do seem to weep around the hose connections.
IF the car is otherwise solid it'll be worth the money, the just keep going.
Could the oil be PAS fluid? They do seem to weep around the hose connections.
IF the car is otherwise solid it'll be worth the money, the just keep going.
dme123 said:
First one sounds like the DMF is right on it's last legs, so you'll need a new clutch and DMF. The concentric slave cylinder should be changed too while it's all in bits. £800 - £1k at an independent.
Could the oil be PAS fluid? They do seem to weep around the hose connections.
IF the car is otherwise solid it'll be worth the money, the just keep going.
Yep, check the hose connections (and the level of the PAS fluid while you're there..!)Could the oil be PAS fluid? They do seem to weep around the hose connections.
IF the car is otherwise solid it'll be worth the money, the just keep going.
Hi, thanks for the responses. I see the LUK clutch and flywheel kits are about 580 (must be a fair bit cheaper trade), is it really an additional 220 to 420 quid for fitting? That's painful,
Update on the leak, it's actually coolant, only thing I can see of it from the top is under the crank pulley on the under tray.
Thanks, responses appreciated.
Dunc.
Update on the leak, it's actually coolant, only thing I can see of it from the top is under the crank pulley on the under tray.
Thanks, responses appreciated.
Dunc.
Double checked the price of the clutch/DMF/pressure plate/slave cylinder LUK package and it's under 550 delivered. At 1k all in that's £450 labour so over 11 hours at £40 an hour, very poor.
The car broke down on the motorway yesterday as well, "urgent engine error" or similar displayed on dash then engine cut-out. Wasn't clutch related, won't start now.
Don't mean to be a moan but it's the least reliable car I've ever owned out of well over 30 by a massive margin, proper disappointed.
A return to other marques is required lol!
Cheers for the advice and it's a coolant leak instead of PS fluid luckily, that doen't sound fun either!
Dunc.
The car broke down on the motorway yesterday as well, "urgent engine error" or similar displayed on dash then engine cut-out. Wasn't clutch related, won't start now.
Don't mean to be a moan but it's the least reliable car I've ever owned out of well over 30 by a massive margin, proper disappointed.
A return to other marques is required lol!
Cheers for the advice and it's a coolant leak instead of PS fluid luckily, that doen't sound fun either!
Dunc.
dunc_sx said:
Double checked the price of the clutch/DMF/pressure plate/slave cylinder LUK package and it's under 550 delivered. At 1k all in that's £450 labour so over 11 hours at £40 an hour, very poor.
The car broke down on the motorway yesterday as well, "urgent engine error" or similar displayed on dash then engine cut-out. Wasn't clutch related, won't start now.
Don't mean to be a moan but it's the least reliable car I've ever owned out of well over 30 by a massive margin, proper disappointed.
A return to other marques is required lol!
Cheers for the advice and it's a coolant leak instead of PS fluid luckily, that doen't sound fun either!
Dunc.
Blaming Volvo because a car they built 15 years ago and that has been neglected is unreliable seems not entirely... reasonable? You bought it with an obvious DMF failure.The car broke down on the motorway yesterday as well, "urgent engine error" or similar displayed on dash then engine cut-out. Wasn't clutch related, won't start now.
Don't mean to be a moan but it's the least reliable car I've ever owned out of well over 30 by a massive margin, proper disappointed.
A return to other marques is required lol!
Cheers for the advice and it's a coolant leak instead of PS fluid luckily, that doen't sound fun either!
Dunc.
Try running a dog eared 51 plate 5 series you picked up cheap or a rotten E-Class Mercedes of the same age and mileage and see if they are any better ;-)
dme123 said:
Try running a dog eared 51 plate 5 series you picked up cheap or a rotten E-Class Mercedes of the same age and mileage and see if they are any better ;-)
Usually do, and I'm afraid they are in my experience, nothing wrong with an old workhorse and they can prove to be very reliable 
Variety being the spice of life I'm trying something different 
Anyway sorry for being grumpy, don't mind the clutch/DMF it's good sense to replace those on an old car if you're expecting to do some towing. The breaking down for no obvious reason isn't fun though and was certainly icing on the cake. Guess I should look at fuel filter/fuel pump/crank sensor/wiring in general then take it from there.
Cheers,
Dunc.
Edited by dunc_sx on Tuesday 23 June 08:49
dme123 said:
Blaming Volvo because a car they built 15 years ago and that has been neglected is unreliable seems not entirely... reasonable? You bought it with an obvious DMF failure.
Try running a dog eared 51 plate 5 series you picked up cheap or a rotten E-Class Mercedes of the same age and mileage and see if they are any better ;-)
Quite. I picked up my XC70 at the end of last year. Its a 140k car on a 51 plate so a similar age. Try running a dog eared 51 plate 5 series you picked up cheap or a rotten E-Class Mercedes of the same age and mileage and see if they are any better ;-)
I did a bit of due diligence and all its needed is a wheel bearing, a few droplinks and given it a service and its fine. Sounds like you purchased a dog which has been neglected, and are now blaming the car for your mistake.
I've got the same car on a 2003 plate and I've just spent almost £1500 getting it fixed up - clutch, DMF, turbo pipes, some ball joint or other, and an annual service. If I didn't know the history I'd have ditched it - it's lovely, but not that lovely; however unlike you I've owned it for 11 years and 165K miles so I know that all the maintenance is up to date.
With the faults you already know about I'd get rid and move on - there are plenty of mid-sized bills which could still hit you in the wallet for £200-£500 a time if you want it running right (intercooler, turbo pipework, steering rack & column, injectors)
With the faults you already know about I'd get rid and move on - there are plenty of mid-sized bills which could still hit you in the wallet for £200-£500 a time if you want it running right (intercooler, turbo pipework, steering rack & column, injectors)
The intercooler's not that bad, it took me three or so hours to change, without removing the radiator, which is the more difficult method. Intercoolers for these are not expensive.
I seem to recall that there was a guy on one of the Volvo forums (T5D5 maybe, but don't quote me), that was investigating the possibility of making a fixed flywheel conversion. When I broke my car, he had the flywheel off me for 'research purposes', or so he claimed. I never kept abreast of developments though.
I seem to recall that there was a guy on one of the Volvo forums (T5D5 maybe, but don't quote me), that was investigating the possibility of making a fixed flywheel conversion. When I broke my car, he had the flywheel off me for 'research purposes', or so he claimed
. I never kept abreast of developments though.OK cheers for the advice folks, sounds like it's a case of not throwing good money after bad. I've got it running again and back in daily use, think it's just a case of running it till the clutch/DMF goes. 650 miles in thus far, place your bets lol
Thanks,
Dunc.
Thanks,
Dunc.
Edited by dunc_sx on Thursday 2nd July 22:02
Something I've just remembered, when you cut out on the motorway, had you got about a quarter of a tank left?
Basically the tank is a saddle type design, with a hump in the middle where the exhaust (and maybe the prop on the 4x4 models) goes. There are two fuel pumps, one in the bigger side of the tank that pushes fuel up to the engine, and one over the other side, the smaller side (passenger side actually), that transfers fuel over the saddle.
It's quite common for the second pump, the transfer pump, to fail, so you end up running out of fuel despite having a quarter or so of a tank left.
If you're only pottering around, it tends not to happen as I guess there's a slow syphon effect, but on the motorway where fuel demand is quite high, it seems the fuel can't transfer over quickly enough and the car cuts out. It also seems to stop the syphon effect, probably it drains the transfer pipe.
You could get a replacement fuel pump, or just not let the tank go below a certain level.
It happened to me 3 times, all on the motorway, once whilst I was in lane 3 overtaking stuff.
Obviously, as ever, if the symptoms aren't as above, ignore
Basically the tank is a saddle type design, with a hump in the middle where the exhaust (and maybe the prop on the 4x4 models) goes. There are two fuel pumps, one in the bigger side of the tank that pushes fuel up to the engine, and one over the other side, the smaller side (passenger side actually), that transfers fuel over the saddle.
It's quite common for the second pump, the transfer pump, to fail, so you end up running out of fuel despite having a quarter or so of a tank left.
If you're only pottering around, it tends not to happen as I guess there's a slow syphon effect, but on the motorway where fuel demand is quite high, it seems the fuel can't transfer over quickly enough and the car cuts out. It also seems to stop the syphon effect, probably it drains the transfer pipe.
You could get a replacement fuel pump, or just not let the tank go below a certain level.
It happened to me 3 times, all on the motorway, once whilst I was in lane 3 overtaking stuff.
Obviously, as ever, if the symptoms aren't as above, ignore
Yup very similar, more fuel was the fix (wish it was always that easy).
It's probably that but I'm also wondering if it has a faulty fuel level sensor as I filled it up to the brim yesterday but the tank wasn't showing full. A few blocks off it, similarly it was a few blocks off empty when I ran out.
Cheers,
Dunc
It's probably that but I'm also wondering if it has a faulty fuel level sensor as I filled it up to the brim yesterday but the tank wasn't showing full. A few blocks off it, similarly it was a few blocks off empty when I ran out.
Cheers,
Dunc
I've got a 2001 C70, had it for four years. The (original) clutch went at Christmas (160,000 miles) and I paid £1,009 for new clutch and fly wheel fitted.
That is at least two thirds of the cost of the car. But I know the car, and it has run almost without fault (apart from the clutch which I can forgive at that mileage) so I know it's a good one (and I've proved this by covering 11,000 miles since the clutch went in without problem, I've cover 65,000 miles in total).
They spent two days doing the job, big job, even with ramps and all the right tools.
That is at least two thirds of the cost of the car. But I know the car, and it has run almost without fault (apart from the clutch which I can forgive at that mileage) so I know it's a good one (and I've proved this by covering 11,000 miles since the clutch went in without problem, I've cover 65,000 miles in total).
They spent two days doing the job, big job, even with ramps and all the right tools.
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