S60 D5... owners

[Painter38]

Thanks

[anonymous-user]

Bonefish Blues said:

They do, but it's not a particularly large aperture and the seats don't fold flat. More useful than not though.

Yed. The top is kind of limited by the metal work. It's still pretty usable though.

[Garett]

Got my fuel pump sorted in the end with a brand new unit from Volvo.The cars running perfectly again, no limp and is feeling perkier.

Also just saw this on Facebook, good old EU3 D5's!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howabou...

[Bonefish Blues]

Which one, out of interest?

[Bonefish Blues]

No, I figured it was the E3 - I was asking which map

[ChocolateFrog]

Garett said:

Got my fuel pump sorted in the end with a brand new unit from Volvo.The cars running perfectly again, no limp and is feeling perkier.

Also just saw this on Facebook, good old EU3 D5's!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howabou...

Makes mine which is approaching 300000 miles look practically youthful.

[Bonefish Blues]

Thanks - I keep equivocating about getting one, but tbh it's not really needed for my usage of the car.

[rat840771]

Get it done, as long as your car is tip top and serviced it should be fine.

50k since i had mine mapped at shark performance and its the best £300 i spent on the car.

[greenarrow]

I've been directed here from my thread on the main gassing station forum, re "diesel that isn't a nightmare after 70-80K miles".

So would you guys recommend an S60 D5? or a V50 D5? They don't seem to have any major terminal engine issues like some, i.e. snapping timing chains, wholesale DMF failure, chocolate camshaft followers, injectors, EGRs and so on.....

Its for a car that needs to be able to do a 140 mile daily commute in comfort.

[Bonefish Blues]

What he said. Euro 3 engine for preference - simpler so less borkage potential, better mpg.

I bought mine for my c120 miles per day and it's perfect for that application.

[Blue Oval84]

greenarrow said:

I've been directed here from my thread on the main gassing station forum, re "diesel that isn't a nightmare after 70-80K miles".

So would you guys recommend an S60 D5? or a V50 D5? They don't seem to have any major terminal engine issues like some, i.e. snapping timing chains, wholesale DMF failure, chocolate camshaft followers, injectors, EGRs and so on.....

Its for a car that needs to be able to do a 140 mile daily commute in comfort.

I'm no volvo expert but if you're looking up to 2007 models then the V70 is the one that compares with the S60, not the V50.

I think that changed later when the V70 became an estate version of the S80...

[greenarrow]

Blue Oval84 said:

greenarrow said:

I've been directed here from my thread on the main gassing station forum, re "diesel that isn't a nightmare after 70-80K miles".

So would you guys recommend an S60 D5? or a V50 D5? They don't seem to have any major terminal engine issues like some, i.e. snapping timing chains, wholesale DMF failure, chocolate camshaft followers, injectors, EGRs and so on.....

Its for a car that needs to be able to do a 140 mile daily commute in comfort.

I'm no volvo expert but if you're looking up to 2007 models then the V70 is the one that compares with the S60, not the V50.

I think that changed later when the V70 became an estate version of the S80...

You're right of course, I only mentioned the V50, because the V70 is probably a bigger estate car than I need.

Is the later (185BP) D5 engine not so good as the 163? Everyone seems to refer to the earlier euro3 one as being better. Most models up for sale now appear to be the later ones, not that there are many for sale in my area. Nearest on ebay is 55 miles away. Seems to be a recurring pattern with second hand cars. There don't seem to be many of what I call the utilitarian non prem badge cars for sale, Mondeo TDCIs, Volvo S60s, that kind of thing. Perhaps people are hanging onto them for a reason!

[Hainey]

kapiteinlangzaam said:

Rather than calling it the 163 engine, call it the euro3. It gets confusing as the euro4 was offered in both 163 and 185bhp outputs.

So, the euro3 engine is 'better' because its not lumbered with all the e4 emissions guff. No DPF, simpler EGR and no swirlflaps with the associated awful swirl arm.

Ive remapped my euro3 to 210bhp and it goes like the clappers. Ive also had the EGR blanked and mapped out at the same time.

Ive had a euro4 engine in my previous XC90 and it cost me the thick end of €1500 in DPF and exhaust sensors over a short period.

There was a small crossover period where cars had the updated cosmetic facelift, but the older e3 engine. These are the 'holy grail' cars and can be found on a 54 or 05 plate. Otherwise the pre-facelift editions are identical mechanically, just stick to post 2003 models as these have much more robust electronics and some mechanical improvements.

That's what I have on an 05 and it was the devils own job to find one that wasn't on moon miles. By that I mean cars with 200k plus on the odo. It took me months and the day I bought it there were two other punters coming onto the lot trying to by it while I was in doing the paperwork (wife was waiting outside and heard the conversations) and cue one very baffled dealer when he came out the office and was told of the interest. I got there the first day it was up for sale, it hadn't been prepped or even valeted at that point.

I went back a year later for an MOT with him and over a cuppa he commented how he hadn't a clue what it was as he was an Audi/VW specialist in the main but he wishes he could find more of them. He was getting calls on it long after it was gone.

[greenarrow]

kapiteinlangzaam said:

Rather than calling it the 163 engine, call it the euro3. It gets confusing as the euro4 was offered in both 163 and 185bhp outputs.

So, the euro3 engine is 'better' because its not lumbered with all the e4 emissions guff. No DPF, simpler EGR and no swirlflaps with the associated awful swirl arm.

Ive remapped my euro3 to 210bhp and it goes like the clappers. Ive also had the EGR blanked and mapped out at the same time.

Ive had a euro4 engine in my previous XC90 and it cost me the thick end of €1500 in DPF and exhaust sensors over a short period.

There was a small crossover period where cars had the updated cosmetic facelift, but the older e3 engine. These are the 'holy grail' cars and can be found on a 54 or 05 plate. Otherwise the pre-facelift editions are identical mechanically, just stick to post 2003 models as these have much more robust electronics and some mechanical improvements.

Thanks..although I am still a bit confused. From memory, I thought the D5 got an increase to 185 BHP around about 2004 or 5, so are there euro engines that are 163 & 185 BHP as well, or did I imagine that?

You guys are obviously very enthusiastic about these cars. Normally when I post on one of the manufacturer forums with a query, I wait weeks for a reply!!

Next Q, can they do mid 40s MPG on a run? That's fairly important to me as my next commute could potentially be 700 miles a week, (Bournemouth area to Reading and back).

[rat840771]

My Euro 4 S60 ( mapped ) in on an average of 40mpg over ( 50K ) in the winter it has dropped, The best i have seen is 700 miles to a tank, the worst is 570 miles

The S60 is amazing value, you could get a low miles Euro 4 for under 2K as they are not desirable as the rear leg room and boot has no space! My 13 year old daughter complains about the rear leg room!

On the other hand low miles V70 would cost at least 4K for the same year.

[Blue Oval84]

Hainey said:

That's what I have on an 05 and it was the devils own job to find one that wasn't on moon miles. By that I mean cars with 200k plus on the odo. It took me months and the day I bought it there were two other punters coming onto the lot trying to by it while I was in doing the paperwork (wife was waiting outside and heard the conversations) and cue one very baffled dealer when he came out the office and was told of the interest. I got there the first day it was up for sale, it hadn't been prepped or even valeted at that point.

I went back a year later for an MOT with him and over a cuppa he commented how he hadn't a clue what it was as he was an Audi/VW specialist in the main but he wishes he could find more of them. He was getting calls on it long after it was gone.

Same experience here, I knew what I wanted and was bloody thrilled when I landed a 55 plate Euro 3, with about 67K on it and a full history.

The trader didn't realise there was anything special about it (well, not until after the paperwork was done anyway!).

I'm still a vary happy chappy with it, although I'm having a bit of a nightmare chasing all the rattles. It seems to have picked up a few over the years and now I'm trying to sort them all at once!

[Blue Oval84]

kapiteinlangzaam said:

Big tip from my local Volvo indy. Cabin rattles often down to the front and rear (lower) pneumatic engine mounts. People often attack the top mounts due to low cost and ease of access, but its the lower ones that make the dashboard shake and rattle (they allow the engine to enter a sort of 'cyclic' vibration if they are passed their best).

Thanks, will get it checked when it's in for service. I've had the top mount done on the advice of Volvo when they did the cambelt, they didn't mention the bottom one though.

I've tracked most of the actual rattle sources down but just haven't fixed them yet-
1) Door cards rattling - I can stop it by pressing on it
2) Something in the headlining near the passenger visor
3) The rear centre brake light, the headlining has dropped a little (enough that the rear screen around it lights up red when I brake!) Pressing the lining and the seal into place stops the rattle dead

[croakey]

I've got one of the few "holy grail" cross over cars , she's an 05 plate with the euro3 lump, SE (winter pack) spec.

So far its been bloody fantastic!

i was fortunate and picked mine up with just over 84k on the clock last year for £2.5k - mine came via gumtree, worth looking as no-one looks on there!

[greenarrow]

Well, I've been reading up on the D5 and in particular the "Honest John" site which is a mind of information....seems the D5 is pretty good...injectors on pre 2003 D5s are reported as giving problems and the usual DPF regeneration issues which you get with many DPF cars causing rising oil levels. So if you buy, say a 2004/05 Euro 3 car, seems not a massive amount goes wrong. Also the "REAL MPG" figure given is 45.3, which is 106% of the combined figure and on a par with stuff like the B5 Passat 2.0 TDI which had far higher GOVT figures. I am impressed. A deal breaker could be the poor rear legroom/small boot, as I have a tall 16 year old teenage daughter and need a decent boot for family use...other than that, seems one of those cars that sneaks under the radar for many people, but offers a lot.

[Bonefish Blues]

I don't think the boot's all that small tbh, and the seatbacks do flip down too. Not much legroom though.

Real mpg for an E3 should be higher than 45-46 across a year. I've only got down to that once in freezing weather with lots of stop-start journeys, and my combined is not far off 50.