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Dusty964
5,459 posts
59 months
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I still prefer 2 sticks. Sure you can get them
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Top pup
237 posts
75 months
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DoubleSix said: defblade said: DoubleSix said: Can someone answer the points about battery life etc
Is it as poor as I recall?
Cheers Modern NiMh are much better than old NiCad ones. Invest in 2 new batteries (mine are 3300mAh IIRC) and you'll get 20-30 minutes out of each. Ok Cheers! So, which off-roader is Dog's b  ks? This looks pretty awesome: http://www.modelsport.co.uk/tamiya-avante-2011/rc-...I like the idea of old skool fun with a bit of new skool wizardry to toughen it up a bit. Opinions? Oh one other thing; why are all the controllers these trigger types with a wheel on the side, I had two sticks as a lad, is that outmoded now?? The latest Lipo batterys are about 5000 - 6000mah which combined with brushless motors give amazing performance and run times. The avante you've linked to is fantastic bit of enginering, but to complicated and fragile to run with modern electrics in it IMO. Stick transmitters are still available, however most pre built kits include the wheels sets for the American market.
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DoubleSix
2,521 posts
45 months
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Thanks for your response. It is that fantastic engineering that I'm drawn to tbh. I've been watching build vids all evening!  Looking at some comparisons, it's obvious you can get superior modern stuff for less but take the lid off and they look really rubbish/dull. The suspension linkages on that Avante are a work of art and I think I'd really enjoy the build. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=259n8YeIGis&fea...hmmm...
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Top pup
237 posts
75 months
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DoubleSix said: Thanks for your response. It is that fantastic engineering that I'm drawn to tbh. I've been watching build vids all evening! Looking at some comparisons, it's obvious you can get superior modern stuff for less but take the lid off and they look really rubbish/dull. The suspension linkages on that Avante are a work of art and I think I'd really enjoy the build. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=259n8YeIGis&fea...hmmm... These are amazing, but really an out and out race kit. My current 4wd race car. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf02kS2z8Vw
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DrTre
12,428 posts
101 months
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Top pup said: They are simply miniature works of art, love them.
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Top pup
237 posts
75 months
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DrTre said: They are simply miniature works of art, love them. They are a nice bit of kit, do you race?
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falkster
4,151 posts
72 months
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This thread has really made me think!! I would really like to have a shelf, in my playstation room, with 3 maybe 4 vintage Tamiya/Kyosho cars that I had as a child.
I'd have a boomerang with a yellow shell because that was the first RC car I ever had, a Bigwig because it was my first decent Tamiya then an Optima Mid turbo and a Cat XL which were the first two cars I raced properly.
Might be a long to very long term plan!!
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srob
6,487 posts
107 months
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falkster said: tim0409 said: The old model shop had a track in the back where we raced Mardave Mini's - anybody remember those?? There was a church hall in Harrogate where we raced mini stocks every Sunday. Really good value cars, or poor quality depending how you look at it, but they gave young kids their first experience of fixing their own cars. My dad would drop me off so could fix mine so it forced me to learn pretty quickly. The Mardaves were great because you could try out different positions your radio equipment, servos etc because you basically got a piece of aluminium with raised edges, no holes drilled in the chassis or anything. The Mardave Marauder was the first car that got me into IC too. I used to race 'MiniStocks'! I made it to a national level meeting once, I can't remember where it was but I got soundly thrashed  We used to race in a village hall too. We'd all get there early to help roll the carpets out to race on. At first we had a proper track, then progressed to an oval with little walls right around. You'd race in heats then have finals, when you weren't racing you'd have to take it in turns to 'call' the numbers so the timing man knew who'd done what. I had a Ford Anglia bodyshell for mine. It was great, because there was a standard or modified class, it was cheap to be competetive in the standard one. That was the winter series, during the summer there was an outdoors series. I got a Mataray for birthday (and Christmas combined, if I remember rightly - that old trick ) but you were allowed to modify the cars. There was a really rich kid, whose dad had a Range Rover with the back completely kitted out with built in storage, spare cars etc. In the end everyone gave up as nobody could compete! All great memories though 
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DrTre
12,428 posts
101 months
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Top pup said: They are a nice bit of kit, do you race? I don't sadly, I used to but only at small club level. I guess it's something I ought to look at getting back into actually.
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Top pup
237 posts
75 months
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DrTre said: I don't sadly, I used to but only at small club level. I guess it's something I ought to look at getting back into actually. Oh right, I restarted 18 months ago, it soon sucks you right back in.
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DoubleSix
2,521 posts
45 months
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I couldn't have less interest in racing. I'm after a nostalgia fix...
Being able to buy an Avante, which was beyond my wildest dreams as a young lad, would give me a real kick.
Vintage Tamiya stuff has soul. It may not be as capable as modern designs but it will do 8/10ths of what a modern car will do and look good doing it. And then there's the joy of the build itself.
Racing?? Pah, I'm 33 years old!
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Dusty964
5,459 posts
59 months
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DoubleSix said: I couldn't have less interest in racing. I'm after a nostalgia fix...
Being able to buy an Avante, which was beyond my wildest dreams as a young lad, would give me a real kick.
Vintage Tamiya stuff has soul. It may not be as capable as modern designs but it will do 8/10ths of what a modern car will do and look good doing it. And then there's the joy of the build itself.
Racing?? Pah, I'm 33 years old! Very well put. I used to have possibly the worst of the lot- the Sonic fighter, which I think was based on the Grasshopper? If I was to buy a Tamiya now, I would get the same thing again (if i could find one)
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vdubbin
1,490 posts
66 months
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Before the Sand Scorcher was re-released, I built a poor man's version using a re-re Grasshopper chassis and an after-market Baja lid (Kamtec, I think)
Once I;d built it and run it a few times, I realised that what I really wanted was the trailing arm suspension of the SS…
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falkster
4,151 posts
72 months
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DoubleSix said: I couldn't have less interest in racing. I'm after a nostalgia fix...
Being able to buy an Avante, which was beyond my wildest dreams as a young lad, would give me a real kick.
Vintage Tamiya stuff has soul. It may not be as capable as modern designs but it will do 8/10ths of what a modern car will do and look good doing it. And then there's the joy of the build itself.
Racing?? Pah, I'm 33 years old! That's where I am although the nostalgia band wagon has caused these prices to be reem worthy. I still wouldn't want a reissued version of any of the 70/80s Tamiyas/Kyosho/Scumacher because that's not how they looked (exactly) in the 80s, I'd want a boxed unused original version. It wouldn't get used so wouldn't matter if it's not 'as good' as the modern version.
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poprock
1,869 posts
70 months
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I guess I can see the reason for all the Tamiya nostalgia, as they were most people’s introduction to R/C stuff (ie. you could buy them in normal-ish shops). For me though it was all Kyosho, Schumacher, Yokomo, Associated, Losi, etc. I even had an Associated RC10 which had been converted to 4WD by MIP over in the States. Pretty rare, even at the time (I heard rumours of mine being one of four in the UK?)
I had most success racing with Schumacher 2WD cars and Yokomo 4WD. Loved the old Cougar series of chassis …
Are any of the more racy brands still going? Schumacher, Losi, etc?
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falkster
4,151 posts
72 months
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poprock said: I guess I can see the reason for all the Tamiya nostalgia, as they were most people’s introduction to R/C stuff (ie. you could buy them in normal-ish shops). For me though it was all Kyosho, Schumacher, Yokomo, Associated, Losi, etc. I even had an Associated RC10 which had been converted to 4WD by MIP over in the States. Pretty rare, even at the time (I heard rumours of mine being one of four in the UK?)
I had most success racing with Schumacher 2WD cars and Yokomo 4WD. Loved the old Cougar series of chassis …
Are any of the more racy brands still going? Schumacher, Losi, etc? Most of the names you mentioned were the ones you got into when you got a bit more serious. I was spending all my money on my CAT XLS but that was still put to shame by some of the young lads RC10s that, even in late 80s, were spending over £1,000!!
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poprock
1,869 posts
70 months
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falkster said: Most of the names you mentioned were the ones you got into when you got a bit more serious. I was spending all my money on my CAT XLS but that was still put to shame by some of the young lads RC10s that, even in late 80s, were spending over £1,000!! Silly money, but I saw it happen too. Mostly the early ’90s when I was into racing. I remember going along to watch the world championships when they were hosted in England … I was very excited to meet Masami Hirosaka there, the guy was a legend.
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DoubleSix
2,521 posts
45 months
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falkster said: DoubleSix said: I couldn't have less interest in racing. I'm after a nostalgia fix...
Being able to buy an Avante, which was beyond my wildest dreams as a young lad, would give me a real kick.
Vintage Tamiya stuff has soul. It may not be as capable as modern designs but it will do 8/10ths of what a modern car will do and look good doing it. And then there's the joy of the build itself.
Racing?? Pah, I'm 33 years old! That's where I am although the nostalgia band wagon has caused these prices to be reem worthy. I still wouldn't want a reissued version of any of the 70/80s Tamiyas/Kyosho/Scumacher because that's not how they looked (exactly) in the 80s, I'd want a boxed unused original version. It wouldn't get used so wouldn't matter if it's not 'as good' as the modern version. Can't see how the Avante doesn't look EXACTLY as it did. Even the box art is identical. The only changes are to materials used; carbon fibre chassis instead of plastic, and uprated shocks in exactly the same outer shell and some reinforcement to rear shock stays. Why would you want that crappy brittle plastic and ancient shock technology?? It's as much a re-issue as anyone could wish for. Anyway, I've taken the plunge. I've paid $410 or about £330 GBP for an Avante from Stella Models in Hong Kong - beats the £500 odd wanted from UK suppliers by some margin even taking postage into account. Woo Hoo! Original next to re-release:  Uploaded with ImageShack.usBeautiful machined bits:  Uploaded with ImageShack.us
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Pvapour
6,251 posts
122 months
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falkster said: poprock said: I guess I can see the reason for all the Tamiya nostalgia, as they were most people’s introduction to R/C stuff (ie. you could buy them in normal-ish shops). For me though it was all Kyosho, Schumacher, Yokomo, Associated, Losi, etc. I even had an Associated RC10 which had been converted to 4WD by MIP over in the States. Pretty rare, even at the time (I heard rumours of mine being one of four in the UK?)
I had most success racing with Schumacher 2WD cars and Yokomo 4WD. Loved the old Cougar series of chassis …
Are any of the more racy brands still going? Schumacher, Losi, etc? Most of the names you mentioned were the ones you got into when you got a bit more serious. I was spending all my money on my CAT XLS but that was still put to shame by some of the young lads RC10s that, even in late 80s, were spending over £1,000!! we raced at national level around the 80s, my mate was a front runner in the UK & his full set up was in excess of £20k, it wasn't difficult to see why I couldn't keep up at the age of 14 his draw of modified motors was £2k on its own, people used to come over just to look at this collection.
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falkster
4,151 posts
72 months
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DoubleSix said: Can't see how the Avante doesn't look EXACTLY as it did. Even the box art is identical. The only changes are to materials used; carbon fibre chassis instead of plastic, and uprated shocks in exactly the same outer shell and some reinforcement to rear shock stays. Why would you want that crappy brittle plastic and ancient shock technology?? It's as much a re-issue as anyone could wish for. Anyway, I've taken the plunge. I've paid $410 or about £330 GBP for an Avante from Stella Models in Hong Kong - beats the £500 odd wanted from UK suppliers by some margin even taking postage into account. Woo Hoo! Original next to re-release: Uploaded with ImageShack.usBeautiful machined bits: Uploaded with ImageShack.us I think the Avante example is an exception because they were so far ahead of their times whereas the Subaru brat is nothing like the original that made me fall in love with R/C. I would imagine the re issued Hotshot would have a bathtub chassis rather than the crap one that was in about 3 pieces which made working on it very difficult.
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