P-51B Mustang "Old Crow" Academy 1:72
Discussion
Just wondering if the paper drop tanks should have red slinging bands around them, or what colour they should be. It looks like the tanks themselves definitely had red bands:
...but I'd have thought these were just alignment guides for the metal slinging hoops on the aircraft hard points, and that the red would be obscured by these hoops when fitted, like here on this restored example:
However, I've seen a lot of monochrome images of the tanks with dark bands around when fitted:
....so were the slinging hoops themselves also red, or some other colour, or what?
...but I'd have thought these were just alignment guides for the metal slinging hoops on the aircraft hard points, and that the red would be obscured by these hoops when fitted, like here on this restored example:
However, I've seen a lot of monochrome images of the tanks with dark bands around when fitted:
....so were the slinging hoops themselves also red, or some other colour, or what?
It appears to me that theres another band behind the 2nd dark one, though that could be a tank seam.
This modern image suggests no dark bands visible https://www.flickr.com/photos/mrkyle229/4906074840... as does the last image here http://www.wings-fine-arts.com/john-shaw/ramrod-ou...
This one looks like it was taken at the same time as yours: http://www.roushaviation.com/roush-aviation-histor...
and shows dark bands visible.
It may come down to different slings being used: I'd have thought yu'd be able to see both the alignment bands and the slings in photos if they weren't overlapping.
This modern image suggests no dark bands visible https://www.flickr.com/photos/mrkyle229/4906074840... as does the last image here http://www.wings-fine-arts.com/john-shaw/ramrod-ou...
This one looks like it was taken at the same time as yours: http://www.roushaviation.com/roush-aviation-histor...
and shows dark bands visible.
It may come down to different slings being used: I'd have thought yu'd be able to see both the alignment bands and the slings in photos if they weren't overlapping.
Thopugh this https://www.flickr.com/photos/comiquaze/4882712035... modern pic shows how the polished metal may appear dark.
Thanks for the ideas. I put the question on BM too.
I think the red bands are there to give a visual indication the slings are in the right place, but I still can't believe they are natural metal finish in the b&w pictures.
The two original b&w pictures of Old Crow with the tanks must have been taken at different times - one has invasion stripes, the other doesn't
I think the red bands are there to give a visual indication the slings are in the right place, but I still can't believe they are natural metal finish in the b&w pictures.
The two original b&w pictures of Old Crow with the tanks must have been taken at different times - one has invasion stripes, the other doesn't
So there's always one random major screw up, usually in the later stages of a build, and here it is for this one:
The lettering decals were in place with a bit of Klear and Microsol, so I dabbed them with a damp cloth to push them into the surface and they slipped, removing the green paint and smudging the white line.
Never happened before, I have no idea what went wrong there. The white that is revealed is the previously covered overspray from the white lines.
Looks like more masking to correct it. good job I've got a spare set of decals.
The lettering decals were in place with a bit of Klear and Microsol, so I dabbed them with a damp cloth to push them into the surface and they slipped, removing the green paint and smudging the white line.
Never happened before, I have no idea what went wrong there. The white that is revealed is the previously covered overspray from the white lines.Looks like more masking to correct it. good job I've got a spare set of decals.
Ayahuasca said:
What colour was the fuselage? Seems to be two different shades of grey in the pic.
The Old Crow decal seems more perfect than the real thing, the top right serif on the W is not straight for one thing...
t. I'll get another and start again, but I'm not looking forward to the nose chequer masking for a second time.RichB said:
dr_gn said:
- I've scrapped it..
What, because of the smudged invasion stripe? Surely that could have been recovered? Shame 
Bugger
Sorry about this doc
I think YOU might have recovered the situation but when it's time to let go you simply have to.
I will enjoy it again when you get back at Old Crow, let's face it you have all the 'mined' info you'll need now.
(oh yes my take on the tank straps, steel reflects differently to paint and I think most of what you showed would have been plain steel straps covering the painted bands. Thus looking dark enough for a contrast with wartime, often ortho, film emulsions. I'd have painted the strap positions with a darkish metal finish, gunmetal with a spot of silver)
Sorry about this doc
I think YOU might have recovered the situation but when it's time to let go you simply have to.
I will enjoy it again when you get back at Old Crow, let's face it you have all the 'mined' info you'll need now.
(oh yes my take on the tank straps, steel reflects differently to paint and I think most of what you showed would have been plain steel straps covering the painted bands. Thus looking dark enough for a contrast with wartime, often ortho, film emulsions. I'd have painted the strap positions with a darkish metal finish, gunmetal with a spot of silver)
perdu said:
Bugger
Sorry about this doc
I think YOU might have recovered the situation but when it's time to let go you simply have to.
I will enjoy it again when you get back at Old Crow, let's face it you have all the 'mined' info you'll need now.
(oh yes my take on the tank straps, steel reflects differently to paint and I think most of what you showed would have been plain steel straps covering the painted bands. Thus looking dark enough for a contrast with wartime, often ortho, film emulsions. I'd have painted the strap positions with a darkish metal finish, gunmetal with a spot of silver)
Ta Perdu.Sorry about this doc
I think YOU might have recovered the situation but when it's time to let go you simply have to.
I will enjoy it again when you get back at Old Crow, let's face it you have all the 'mined' info you'll need now.
(oh yes my take on the tank straps, steel reflects differently to paint and I think most of what you showed would have been plain steel straps covering the painted bands. Thus looking dark enough for a contrast with wartime, often ortho, film emulsions. I'd have painted the strap positions with a darkish metal finish, gunmetal with a spot of silver)
It's not often (in fact never!) that I'd give up on a kit, but as you say once you reach a certain point of compromise, that's it. I've broken it up now to salvage the interior and some other bits I'd added:
My motto in life seems to be "break even or make a small loss", and since this kit only cost £3 from Cosford, I'll take it as a small loss! Another one (£5) is on order now - No matter how long it tales, it will get finished, and it will be better than the scrapped one: There were some issues such as the "see through" fuselage, some locating pins visible inside the radiator duct and I'd also thinned the cockpit walls too much I think. The next one will have these corrected from the start.
I'm still working on the bits I needed to complete, such as the glazing masking and the drop tanks. All the u/c legs, wheels, propeller & spinner etc are OK. Luckily my digital calipers are still set to the correct chequer width for the nose band, so even that shouldn't take too long to do again. I came to same conclusion about the straps. I might even just mask them and use some gunmetal weathering powder to give them some contrast, then a dark wash either side.
Edited by dr_gn on Tuesday 24th June 23:20
HoHoHo said:
That picture looks better than my efforts once finished!
Shame it's scrapped, I've been watching this thread and waiting for the finished model
It'll be finished...hopefully before Flying Legends. I'd really like Bud Anderson to sign the base, assuming the model is good enough.Shame it's scrapped, I've been watching this thread and waiting for the finished model
dr_gn said:
HoHoHo said:
That picture looks better than my efforts once finished!
Shame it's scrapped, I've been watching this thread and waiting for the finished model
It'll be finished...hopefully before Flying Legends. I'd really like Bud Anderson to sign the base, assuming the model is good enough.Shame it's scrapped, I've been watching this thread and waiting for the finished model
Mutley said:
dr_gn said:
It'll be finished...hopefully before Flying Legends. I'd really like Bud Anderson to sign the base, assuming the model is good enough.
What day are you going? I'm there on the SaturdayThe participation list is a bit sparse up to now.
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