P-51B Mustang "Old Crow" Academy 1:72

P-51B Mustang "Old Crow" Academy 1:72

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dr_gn

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Saturday 24th May 2014
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Mutley said:
dr_gn said:
It's got a fair bit of lentgh to it too missus.

If you look from the side, the top is visible above the cockpit edge. If I was going to Duxford tomorrow for the airshow I could check, but the weather is rubbish so I won't be risking the 2 1/2 hour drivefrown




Edited by dr_gn on Friday 23 May 23:00
Doc, am going to Duxford tomorrow, can't promise, but if you want any reference shots be happy to try for you
It looks much better weather tomorrow, but it's not possible for us to go frown

If you see a P51, a few pictures of the back of the undercarriage legs (specifically how the brake pipe is routed and where it fits into the wheel hub, and where it goes in the wheel well) that would be good. Also, what's visible looking from the back inside the ventral radiator duct when it's open (particularly in terms of colours). Cockpit shots are also always useful, most people take pictures looking towards the instrument panel, but looking back into the side of the seat area would be good (on a P-51B, I think it will be different for the D models).

If you ask one of the guys in the restoration hanger for a poke around they have been helpful in the past, but i guess if there are lots of people around they might not want to let you past the barrier.

I hope you have a great day - weather looks like it will be perfect. I will just have to look forward to Flying Legends. I was hoping to take the finished model down there for the pilot to sign the base (he is coming over again from the US for another mustang ride apparently), assuming it turns out well enough.

Thanks!

Eric Mc

122,051 posts

266 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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Not as detailed as you would want, I'm sure, but here's a picture of a Mustang getting a tail wheel change. The picture was taken at Goodwood where the Mustang was due to take part ion a flying display. However, it suffered a tailwheel tyre puncture and a replacement was taken from a Harvard.


GJB

444 posts

259 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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Is this any use. Went to Duxford last week. Had a tour of the `conservation` hangar as I was corrected after calling it the `restoration` hangar.


GJB

444 posts

259 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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We organised a tour of the museum and conservation hangar with David Lee. Here is an extract from his e-mail to me....

"I have well over 30 years experience of the museum, retiring as Deputy Director and Curator of Aircraft. David W Lee IEng, MRAeS. IWM Duxford Tour Organiser."

Please reply by email, davidwlee@aviationhistorian.co.uk or write to Kingfisher Cottage, Mill Road, Kedington, Suffolk CB9 7NN

David is obviously very enthusiastic and may try to help you with any photos you require. If you are going to Duxford on a quiet day it obviously makes access easier and they're likely to be more accomodating.

dr_gn

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Saturday 24th May 2014
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Thanks for the photos guys.

A pal and I went on a weekday one October, and there was virtually nobody else there. We got to take some close-up photos of various exhibits (after asking permission of course) and even got to sit in TFC'c Curtiss Hawk. Was a good day.


Mutley

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260 months

Monday 26th May 2014
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Duxford was a great day, shame you didn't come, managed to get these for you, was too many people around to get much, hope they're useful.





dr_gn

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Sunday 1st June 2014
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Mutley said:
Duxford was a great day, shame you didn't come, managed to get these for you, was too many people around to get much, hope they're useful.


They're brilliant, thanks for taking the time to get them. Not sure now whether to model the radiator flap shut, since it looks like I should really have put a scratchbuilt matrix in there.

Glad it was a good day, I'm looking forward to Flying Legends now.

Sorry for the late reply, I've been away on holiday the past week.

dr_gn

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Tuesday 3rd June 2014
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I got the majority of the filling done recently; it didn't need much. I did notice that it was a "see through" model in that if you look directly at it, you can see daylight through the nose and radiator intakes. I should have checked this before I joined the fuselage halves I suppose.

So with reference to Mutley's photo, I've made a radiator matrix out of an old SE.5a etch set, and added a couple of stiffeners. I've put some plastic strip brackets in the radiator outlet duct, and cut a piece of thin brass as a filler. When it's all assembled it blocks the daylight and the little that can be seen through the open radiator flap looks fine. I've also made an actuator rod out of some brass wire as per Mutley's photo. The duct filler just needs a bit of work when it's set and it'll be ready for paint. I also opened the other smaller duct opening up by drilling and finishing with a small file. Again this would have been easier before closing the fuselage:


Lost soul

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183 months

Wednesday 4th June 2014
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Eric Mc said:
Not as detailed as you would want, I'm sure, but here's a picture of a Mustang getting a tail wheel change. The picture was taken at Goodwood where the Mustang was due to take part ion a flying display. However, it suffered a tailwheel tyre puncture and a replacement was taken from a Harvard.

Just how long can they keep these magnificent aircraft flying ?

Eric Mc

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266 months

Wednesday 4th June 2014
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Pretty much indefinitely as far as I can see. There are many specialists now who make replacement parts - often much better than the originals.

There are some limits - mainly with the large, more sophisticated aircraft. But common warbirds, such as Mustangs, Harvards, Spitfires and (increasingly) Hurricanes are destined to keep flying for years and years.

dr_gn

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Wednesday 4th June 2014
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Lost soul said:
Just how long can they keep these magnificent aircraft flying ?
Many "restorations" of old aircraft are effectively new builds, so, from an engineering viewpoint...forever.

dr_gn

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Wednesday 4th June 2014
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Had a go at the main wheel whitewalls tonight, they'll do, although the wheels themselves aren't quite identical. Still puzzling over how to paint the tailwheel:


Yertis

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267 months

Thursday 5th June 2014
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dr_gn said:
Had a go at the main wheel whitewalls tonight, they'll do, although the wheels themselves aren't quite identical. Still puzzling over how to paint the tailwheel:

I think the only way you're going to do that to your satisfaction is remove the wheel from the leg, source/create a new wheel, paint that then reattach to the leg. Or could you cut back the plastic from where it meets the tyre with a scalpel point, then carefully work/refine until you've got a presentable effect?

RichB

51,597 posts

285 months

Thursday 5th June 2014
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dr_gn said:
Had a go at the main wheel whitewalls tonight, they'll do, although the wheels themselves aren't quite identical. Still puzzling over how to paint the tailwheel:

Is it my PC screen or are the wheels gold effect in that image?

Lost soul

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183 months

Thursday 5th June 2014
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dr_gn said:
Lost soul said:
Just how long can they keep these magnificent aircraft flying ?
Many "restorations" of old aircraft are effectively new builds, so, from an engineering viewpoint...forever.
Thank god for that then smile

Eric Mc

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Thursday 5th June 2014
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When the film "Battle of Britain" was made in 1968, they could find only 4 airworthy Hawker Hurricanes. Today there are at least 12.

Lost soul

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Thursday 5th June 2014
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Eric Mc said:
When the film "Battle of Britain" was made in 1968, they could find only 4 airworthy Hawker Hurricanes. Today there are at least 12.
I live in Hastings and I remember as a lad watching the filming of that smile

dr_gn

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Thursday 5th June 2014
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RichB said:
dr_gn said:
Had a go at the main wheel whitewalls tonight, they'll do, although the wheels themselves aren't quite identical. Still puzzling over how to paint the tailwheel:

Is it my PC screen or are the wheels gold effect in that image?
I think it's my camera setting, not your pc. They are silver.

dr_gn

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Thursday 5th June 2014
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Yertis said:
dr_gn said:
Had a go at the main wheel whitewalls tonight, they'll do, although the wheels themselves aren't quite identical. Still puzzling over how to paint the tailwheel:

I think the only way you're going to do that to your satisfaction is remove the wheel from the leg, source/create a new wheel, paint that then reattach to the leg. Or could you cut back the plastic from where it meets the tyre with a scalpel point, then carefully work/refine until you've got a presentable effect?
I might try making a decal first. I think I've got some transparent sheet that I'll spray with the same white and then cut out a couple of doughnuts.

Ayahuasca

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280 months

Thursday 5th June 2014
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Why not remove the tailwheel from the strut, paint the wheel, and then reattach it to the strut or fashion a new strut?