Airfix Hurricane 1/24

Airfix Hurricane 1/24

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RichB

51,433 posts

283 months

Monday 16th November 2015
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Eric Mc said:
I'll let you guess - it's more fun.
I think it's easiest to say "Oops my mistake." and move on... wink

Eric Mc

121,779 posts

264 months

Monday 16th November 2015
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I moved on a long time ago.

Let's discuss the model.

Yertis

18,016 posts

265 months

Monday 16th November 2015
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OK.

I made this one when it was first released in 1974 or whenever, and I was about nine. To be honest, it was a bit more than I could handle at that age.

Eric Mc

121,779 posts

264 months

Monday 16th November 2015
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By modern standards it's pretty basic - considering its size. But it always looks impressive built up and there's plenty of scope for superdetailing if you want to.

I've never built it but a friend of mine did when it was still relatively new and I was impressed back then.

MonkeySpanker

319 posts

136 months

Tuesday 17th November 2015
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I built the 1/24 Spitfire Vb...or at least tried to. I couldn't get the engine to fit correctly & in a bit of a "GRRRR" moment, trashed it frown

Eric Mc

121,779 posts

264 months

Tuesday 17th November 2015
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The Spitfire (in its Mk I form) was the first of Airfix's 1/24 kits and was released in 1970 - so is now 45 years old. The moulds were amended to allow a Mk V to be produced.

IroningMan

10,154 posts

245 months

Tuesday 17th November 2015
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My father bought me the Spitfire for Christmas when I was 6 or 7...and subsequently built it himself.

I remember being so excited by the size of it against the 1/72 that I was learning to build that I really didn't mind.

HoHoHo

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14,980 posts

249 months

Tuesday 17th November 2015
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I can't remember if I build the Spitfire or Hurricane as a youngster.

I'm looking forward to getting back into my man cave and making progress yes

HoHoHo

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14,980 posts

249 months

Saturday 21st November 2015
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Bit more progress but I clearly need to work on my fine detail.....





The wheel wells need a little rub down at the rear



Graham Hill looking comfortable



Shame the top of the engine will be covered forever, it's going to hang in Sammy's room so no need to leave it loose. I will however not glue to side cowels so I'll be able to have a look from time to time







Now a quick question....

What's the best way to mask and then cut the canopy, is it simply mask properly, cut carefully and lots of practice?










dr_gn

16,140 posts

183 months

Saturday 21st November 2015
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If you mean apply masking tape to the transparency, then cutting along the frames with a scalpel, I'd advise simply masking accurately, and not cutting at all. If you cut in slightly the wrong place, or the blade wanders, you're screwed.

I do it by masking the edges first with thin strips, then filling in the middle with a mosaic of tape. If you chamfer the ends of the thin strips, you can get it perfect, even at 1:72. This is how I did my Defiant turret:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

It should be very easy at 1:24, especially on a Hurricane.






HoHoHo

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14,980 posts

249 months

Sunday 22nd November 2015
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dr_gn said:
If you mean apply masking tape to the transparency, then cutting along the frames with a scalpel, I'd advise simply masking accurately, and not cutting at all. If you cut in slightly the wrong place, or the blade wanders, you're screwed.

I do it by masking the edges first with thin strips, then filling in the middle with a mosaic of tape. If you chamfer the ends of the thin strips, you can get it perfect, even at 1:72. This is how I did my Defiant turret:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

It should be very easy at 1:24, especially on a Hurricane.
I do and thanks that's very helpful.

I'm now off to Barcelona so will have to wait to have a go - by the way I went to the prototype museum in Hamburg, good way to spend a couple of hours, thanks for the tip thumbup



HoHoHo

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14,980 posts

249 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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Some more progress and it's moving fast now!







I then applied a dark earth to the entire top of the aircraft





Then using blutack marked the areas to be painted dark green



One side done (didn't have enough blutack to complete the exercise in one go!)

And all done



I'm guessing I'll attached the undercarriage and then apply a coat of klear, decals on and then more klear, then weather?

Anyway I'm really enjoying this and have learnt so much during the build yes

dr_gn

16,140 posts

183 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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Might be a bad time to ask, but are you sure those colours are right? Doesn't look enough contrast to me - maybe the brown is a bit too dark?

HoHoHo

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14,980 posts

249 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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dr_gn said:
Might be a bad time to ask, but are you sure those colours are right? Doesn't look enough contrast to me - maybe the brown is a bit too dark?
Ah, good question.

Vallejo suggest 'dark earth' for WWII too panels which is the colour I used but granted it does seem a touch dark......

It's certainly not too late to play around with the colours, have I mucked up?


dr_gn

16,140 posts

183 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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It's a minefield. I went with colours from a model Id seen that looked a good match to me, and they were Vallejo Green Brown and Vallejo Reflective Green. I've used these on all my early ww2 RAF models and nobody whose seen them has commented. Due to the number of 'experts' out there, I assume that means thy aren't far off. At the end of the day yours might be right and it's a trick of the light. I just noticed the painting plan next to your model in the image, and that brown is nearer to what I use.

Eric Mc

121,779 posts

264 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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I'm a fan of the Xtracrylic range of RAF authentic acrylics.

I often see these early war RAF colours on models and they can vary quite a lot. Often the dark earth appears too "orangey".

Yours definitely does look on the dark side.

HoHoHo

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14,980 posts

249 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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The photo was in my man cave above the garage with my red heater on which doesn't help.

I've had another look this morning and it's definitely more brown than sand (as you suggest comparing it to the painting guide G) but doesn't look too bad.

I suspect once I finish, decal and hang in Sammy's room the colour difference will be long forgotten however yet another learning curve. I did some research prior to painting and noticed there's a million different colours to paint anything! I did also think Vallejo might know their paint from their paint!

One quick question......

I've used Dr_Gn's suggested method of canopy taping using think strips etc. and on the whole for a first attempt it went very well however there's a slight trace of grey primer between the clear plastic and green paint - where did I go wrong?

It's I my slight however noticeable frown

Edited to add I really have no idea what my last sentence is saying wobble I know we write replies on a iPhones etc. when we're out and about but I really should read my replies before I hit submit hehe

Edited by HoHoHo on Thursday 3rd December 14:04

dr_gn

16,140 posts

183 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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HoHoHo said:
The photo was in my man cave above the garage with my red heater on which doesn't help.

I've had another look this morning and it's definitely more brown than sand (as you suggest comparing it to the painting guide G) but doesn't look too bad.

I suspect once I finish, decal and hang in Sammy's room the colour difference will be long forgotten however yet another learning curve. I did some research prior to painting and noticed there's a million different colours to paint anything! I did also think Vallejo might know their paint from their paint!

One quick question......

I've used Dr_Gn's suggested method of canopy taping using think strips etc. and on the whole for a first attempt it went very well however there's a slight trace of grey primer between the clear plastic and green paint - where did I go wrong?

It's I my slight however noticeable frown
I don't think you've done much wrong, it's just the edge of the primer layer showing. It might have been worsened if the paint has "torn" along the masked edge. You can get around this by running a new scalpel blade around each masked panel before removing the tape.

The only paint I use on canopies is first the interior colour (usually a matt green), followed by the camo colour and finally matt varnish. If you've used a spray can primer, that layer will almost certainly be thicker than an airbrushed primer coat. On all my models the contrast between the matt interior green coat and the outer camo colour has been so slight that it becomes invisibe.

"Dark Earth" has a multitude of interpretations from various manufacturers, and if you use a "scale effect" to lighten the colour as well, the exact shade becomes a bit difficult to determine.


Edited by dr_gn on Thursday 3rd December 12:58

HoHoHo

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14,980 posts

249 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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dr_gn said:
HoHoHo said:
The photo was in my man cave above the garage with my red heater on which doesn't help.

I've had another look this morning and it's definitely more brown than sand (as you suggest comparing it to the painting guide G) but doesn't look too bad.

I suspect once I finish, decal and hang in Sammy's room the colour difference will be long forgotten however yet another learning curve. I did some research prior to painting and noticed there's a million different colours to paint anything! I did also think Vallejo might know their paint from their paint!

One quick question......

I've used Dr_Gn's suggested method of canopy taping using think strips etc. and on the whole for a first attempt it went very well however there's a slight trace of grey primer between the clear plastic and green paint - where did I go wrong?

It's I my slight however noticeable frown
I don't think you've done much wrong, it's just the edge of the primer layer showing. It might have been worsened if the paint has "torn" along the masked edge. You can get around this by running a new scalpel blade around each masked panel before removing the tape.

The only paint I use on canopies is first the interior colour (usually a matt green), followed by the camo colour and finally matt varnish. If you've used a spray can primer, that layer will almost certainly be thicker than an airbrushed primer coat. On all my models the contrast between the matt interior green coat and the outer camo colour has been so slight that it becomes invisibe.

"Dark Earth" has a multitude of interpretations from various manufacturers, and if you use a "scale effect" to lighten the colour as well, the exact shade becomes a bit difficult to determine.


Edited by dr_gn on Thursday 3rd December 12:58
The base coat was Vallejo grey primer and It's that colour that can be seen frown

So are you suggesting you don't prime the canopy?

dr_gn

16,140 posts

183 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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HoHoHo said:
dr_gn said:
HoHoHo said:
The photo was in my man cave above the garage with my red heater on which doesn't help.

I've had another look this morning and it's definitely more brown than sand (as you suggest comparing it to the painting guide G) but doesn't look too bad.

I suspect once I finish, decal and hang in Sammy's room the colour difference will be long forgotten however yet another learning curve. I did some research prior to painting and noticed there's a million different colours to paint anything! I did also think Vallejo might know their paint from their paint!

One quick question......

I've used Dr_Gn's suggested method of canopy taping using think strips etc. and on the whole for a first attempt it went very well however there's a slight trace of grey primer between the clear plastic and green paint - where did I go wrong?

It's I my slight however noticeable frown
I don't think you've done much wrong, it's just the edge of the primer layer showing. It might have been worsened if the paint has "torn" along the masked edge. You can get around this by running a new scalpel blade around each masked panel before removing the tape.

The only paint I use on canopies is first the interior colour (usually a matt green), followed by the camo colour and finally matt varnish. If you've used a spray can primer, that layer will almost certainly be thicker than an airbrushed primer coat. On all my models the contrast between the matt interior green coat and the outer camo colour has been so slight that it becomes invisibe.

"Dark Earth" has a multitude of interpretations from various manufacturers, and if you use a "scale effect" to lighten the colour as well, the exact shade becomes a bit difficult to determine.


Edited by dr_gn on Thursday 3rd December 12:58
The base coat was Vallejo grey primer and It's that colour that can be seen frown

So are you suggesting you don't prime the canopy?
If you prime the canopy, you see the primer colour through the glazing when it's finished. Unless the 'real' interior colour happens to match the primer, then it will be wrong. TBH at 1:24 I'd probably spray the internal framing as well as the outside.

Simple answer is I don't prime the canopy framing - it's not worth it.