1/12 Porsche 917k - MFH
Discussion
dr_gn said:
Very nicely weathered cockpit. You must have quite a few projects going at once now.
lol - yes! Went a bit mad when I got back into doing it again, and got an airbrush etc.Ebay, disposable income (should be saving blah blah) etc etc - could probably open a shop now...
Actually biggest influence has been these forums (F1M,Britmodeller etc) and seeing what can be done. I got back on to the Caterhams I'm building, then discovered MFH etc...and I have loved the Mosquito for years, so when I saw the 'big' kit...
Haven't done anything on the plane for a while - I saw your wood-covered model and thought I'd really love to do that big scale, but the weathered cockpit I had already done is too much for such a version...
I'm learning the weathering - went a bit heavy maybe on the cockpit. It is the most impressive thing on these modelling forums IMO.
I've also yet to spray any bodywork in this era of my modelling, so reading threads like your MP4/6 one are very educational.
My biggest pain is that over here in NYC I don't have a 'shed' or spare room where I can leave everything set up. Have to drag it all out for 2-3hrs in an evening, then put it all away again!
I need to focus a bit and not start anything new!
caterhamnut said:
dr_gn said:
Very nicely weathered cockpit. You must have quite a few projects going at once now.
lol - yes! Went a bit mad when I got back into doing it again, and got an airbrush etc.Ebay, disposable income (should be saving blah blah) etc etc - could probably open a shop now...
Actually biggest influence has been these forums (F1M,Britmodeller etc) and seeing what can be done. I got back on to the Caterhams I'm building, then discovered MFH etc...and I have loved the Mosquito for years, so when I saw the 'big' kit...
Haven't done anything on the plane for a while - I saw your wood-covered model and thought I'd really love to do that big scale, but the weathered cockpit I had already done is too much for such a version...
I'm learning the weathering - went a bit heavy maybe on the cockpit. It is the most impressive thing on these modelling forums IMO.
I've also yet to spray any bodywork in this era of my modelling, so reading threads like your MP4/6 one are very educational.
My biggest pain is that over here in NYC I don't have a 'shed' or spare room where I can leave everything set up. Have to drag it all out for 2-3hrs in an evening, then put it all away again!
I need to focus a bit and not start anything new!
Re. the Mosquito, I honestly think your weathering is absolutely spot-on for the scale. I don't think it's too late to do it as a bare finish, the cockpit is just as visible with either finish, as is any interior detail such a bomb-bay, engine covers and m/g hatches that you might want to leave open. In fact the interior green would add even more colour and interest to the whole job. I think it would look pretty awesome in 1:32, and certainly unique from what I've seen so far.
Wow.
I have got to take my hat off to you, those are pictures of some amazing work. Wish I had the time.. and space... and motor skills.. and the in case of those MFH models finances to get back into building again. The trouble is there are so many amazing kits available now compared to when I stopped back in the 90s, I just wouldn't know where to start or stop (which would be very bad for my finances.). I still have the decaying remnants of my Tamiya 1/20th collection behind me.
Those MFH models (which I'd never heard of before.) are true works of art. I will be following both of these threads with interest.
You sir, deserve to be applauded.
I have got to take my hat off to you, those are pictures of some amazing work. Wish I had the time.. and space... and motor skills.. and the in case of those MFH models finances to get back into building again. The trouble is there are so many amazing kits available now compared to when I stopped back in the 90s, I just wouldn't know where to start or stop (which would be very bad for my finances.). I still have the decaying remnants of my Tamiya 1/20th collection behind me.
Those MFH models (which I'd never heard of before.) are true works of art. I will be following both of these threads with interest.
You sir, deserve to be applauded.
yep - the price thing is there for sure.
Swings and roundabouts - the MFH kits can be built totally OOB and look like museum models (I hope - not finished done yet!) - everything is in the kit - sure you can add some more nuts and bolts if you feel the need.
I've got the Tamiya MP4/6 1/12 kit whose initial purchase price is a 1/3rd of the price of an MFH, and over the years have collected the various detail-up kits that have been produced (Thunder Valley and now Top Studio), 'proper' decals etc etc - and now it would price out about the same!
Also, as Tamiya seem to have stopped with these 1/12 kits (or any recent stuff in fact) I'm really pleased that MFH exist to keep on producing new models.
Another way to look at it - although really this is 'man maths' and applies to any kit regardless of price) is the $/hr figure...(sorry, can't find the Pound symbol on this US keyboard!!) - if I divide the cost of the kit with the number of hours I'll spend working on it, and gaining enjoyment and satisfacton (for it is the construction process that I am buying, otherwise I'd collect die-cast!) then compared to virtually anything else (trackdays, driving, tyres(!)eating out, petrol etc etc etc) they are a bargain.
Having said that, of course, without a doubt - if the other half asks, the answer is always 'ooh, about 60 quid....'
Swings and roundabouts - the MFH kits can be built totally OOB and look like museum models (I hope - not finished done yet!) - everything is in the kit - sure you can add some more nuts and bolts if you feel the need.
I've got the Tamiya MP4/6 1/12 kit whose initial purchase price is a 1/3rd of the price of an MFH, and over the years have collected the various detail-up kits that have been produced (Thunder Valley and now Top Studio), 'proper' decals etc etc - and now it would price out about the same!
Also, as Tamiya seem to have stopped with these 1/12 kits (or any recent stuff in fact) I'm really pleased that MFH exist to keep on producing new models.
Another way to look at it - although really this is 'man maths' and applies to any kit regardless of price) is the $/hr figure...(sorry, can't find the Pound symbol on this US keyboard!!) - if I divide the cost of the kit with the number of hours I'll spend working on it, and gaining enjoyment and satisfacton (for it is the construction process that I am buying, otherwise I'd collect die-cast!) then compared to virtually anything else (trackdays, driving, tyres(!)eating out, petrol etc etc etc) they are a bargain.
Having said that, of course, without a doubt - if the other half asks, the answer is always 'ooh, about 60 quid....'
Earlier today my brother asked if I'd seen the YouTubes of Scott Hards of HLJ paying MFH a visit - well worth a look.
917 exhaust tail pipes always remind me of the end of the film Le Mans when they take one off to swap the broken wishbone
917 exhaust tail pipes always remind me of the end of the film Le Mans when they take one off to swap the broken wishbone
Edited by 72twink on Thursday 26th May 22:17
I really fancy one of these . However my modelling history harks back to the submarine I had as a child . It was a model that was effectively a cross section through the sub with all rooms fully detailed .i got really frustrated at how hard it was to build and decided to just glue both halves of the sub together ..,, 78 billion
yen buys a lot of wine
yen buys a lot of wine
caterhamnut said:
yep - the price thing is there for sure.
Swings and roundabouts - the MFH kits can be built totally OOB and look like museum models (I hope - not finished done yet!) - everything is in the kit - sure you can add some more nuts and bolts if you feel the need.
I've got the Tamiya MP4/6 1/12 kit whose initial purchase price is a 1/3rd of the price of an MFH, and over the years have collected the various detail-up kits that have been produced (Thunder Valley and now Top Studio), 'proper' decals etc etc - and now it would price out about the same!
Also, as Tamiya seem to have stopped with these 1/12 kits (or any recent stuff in fact) I'm really pleased that MFH exist to keep on producing new models.
Another way to look at it - although really this is 'man maths' and applies to any kit regardless of price) is the $/hr figure...(sorry, can't find the Pound symbol on this US keyboard!!) - if I divide the cost of the kit with the number of hours I'll spend working on it, and gaining enjoyment and satisfacton (for it is the construction process that I am buying, otherwise I'd collect die-cast!) then compared to virtually anything else (trackdays, driving, tyres(!)eating out, petrol etc etc etc) they are a bargain.
Having said that, of course, without a doubt - if the other half asks, the answer is always 'ooh, about 60 quid....'
Ha ha - Don't we all do that for something or other Swings and roundabouts - the MFH kits can be built totally OOB and look like museum models (I hope - not finished done yet!) - everything is in the kit - sure you can add some more nuts and bolts if you feel the need.
I've got the Tamiya MP4/6 1/12 kit whose initial purchase price is a 1/3rd of the price of an MFH, and over the years have collected the various detail-up kits that have been produced (Thunder Valley and now Top Studio), 'proper' decals etc etc - and now it would price out about the same!
Also, as Tamiya seem to have stopped with these 1/12 kits (or any recent stuff in fact) I'm really pleased that MFH exist to keep on producing new models.
Another way to look at it - although really this is 'man maths' and applies to any kit regardless of price) is the $/hr figure...(sorry, can't find the Pound symbol on this US keyboard!!) - if I divide the cost of the kit with the number of hours I'll spend working on it, and gaining enjoyment and satisfacton (for it is the construction process that I am buying, otherwise I'd collect die-cast!) then compared to virtually anything else (trackdays, driving, tyres(!)eating out, petrol etc etc etc) they are a bargain.
Having said that, of course, without a doubt - if the other half asks, the answer is always 'ooh, about 60 quid....'
I can totally see the satisfaction and pleasure in building it, I'd just lack the confidence to do a model costing that much justice.
As you have the skills, I'll carry on following your build with pleasure and interest
M
72twink said:
Earlier today my brother asked if I'd seen the YouTubes of Scott Hards of HLJ paying MFH a visit - well worth a look.
Indeed! Thanks for the tip! Here they are, not that they are difficult to find.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpH3mGRkTjw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqyK6u5ZTmA
Thanks guys!
Right - started to add some details.
Belts and pulleys are cast - painted them and added and then started on the fun job of wiring the speak plugs!
Lots of wire (12 cylinder!) and lots of very fine drilling of holes for the wires to be glues in to. But it seems to have gone together ok so far - I want the cables to look neat and natural, so probably lots of tweaking once each end is 'glued' in.
You have to be aware what components and other plumbing is coming, so you can route the wires suitably.
One example is the air intake trumpets. These ended up being a massive pain, due to one process I did ahead of time!
In the instructions for this kit, they suggest the addition of these bolts is 'optional' - though all parts are included. I gave the cast strip of fittings a gentle pass with the dremel brass wheel to add some shine, and drilled the 4 tiny holes required on each of the 12 trumpets - there is a tiny imprint to mark the hole location. They are so small that I had not realized they were 'hex' ended with a tiny hole until I saw this photo!
At the top of these trumpets there is an injector on each one - cast fitting. I added these at this point as well, after first using the earth colour wash I had used on the other 'resin' parts on the engine - (fan etc.) This ended up being a mistake...fitting these injectors meant that I could not simply place the shroud on top of them once I had glued them to the engine (I had wanted to do this in order to align them all) - I should have done that first THEN fitted the injectors...lesson learnt (the instructions do show the injectors being fitted after the shroud....)
Quick test fit of the exhaust system...
...not glued these in yet as I don't want to mark them, but they are fitted before mounting the engine in the framework.
One side done (lots of swearing with those trumpets).
Then on to the other side....
Right - started to add some details.
Belts and pulleys are cast - painted them and added and then started on the fun job of wiring the speak plugs!
Lots of wire (12 cylinder!) and lots of very fine drilling of holes for the wires to be glues in to. But it seems to have gone together ok so far - I want the cables to look neat and natural, so probably lots of tweaking once each end is 'glued' in.
You have to be aware what components and other plumbing is coming, so you can route the wires suitably.
One example is the air intake trumpets. These ended up being a massive pain, due to one process I did ahead of time!
In the instructions for this kit, they suggest the addition of these bolts is 'optional' - though all parts are included. I gave the cast strip of fittings a gentle pass with the dremel brass wheel to add some shine, and drilled the 4 tiny holes required on each of the 12 trumpets - there is a tiny imprint to mark the hole location. They are so small that I had not realized they were 'hex' ended with a tiny hole until I saw this photo!
At the top of these trumpets there is an injector on each one - cast fitting. I added these at this point as well, after first using the earth colour wash I had used on the other 'resin' parts on the engine - (fan etc.) This ended up being a mistake...fitting these injectors meant that I could not simply place the shroud on top of them once I had glued them to the engine (I had wanted to do this in order to align them all) - I should have done that first THEN fitted the injectors...lesson learnt (the instructions do show the injectors being fitted after the shroud....)
Quick test fit of the exhaust system...
...not glued these in yet as I don't want to mark them, but they are fitted before mounting the engine in the framework.
One side done (lots of swearing with those trumpets).
Then on to the other side....
Murph7355 said:
Staggering as usual.
This might not be a wholly welcome comment...but are the fans and shrouds etc really intended to be translucent? I thought on the full size car they were a more "solid" looking colour that couldn't be seen through....
Maybe just a fraction too translucent if these photos are anything to go by:-This might not be a wholly welcome comment...but are the fans and shrouds etc really intended to be translucent? I thought on the full size car they were a more "solid" looking colour that couldn't be seen through....
oh - NOW you tell me!! 
Would have been an awesome comment about 3 months ago...lol
Joking aside, you are probably right - various photos show a range of shades to be honest, but maybe next time a milky wash on the reverse might work. Access a bit tough now.
I'll just say I am building a 'clear canopy' version so you can see detail...
AND there is more engine detail I can add on that top photo!
To be honest, not being a 'production' car built by robots, every photo is different. The wiring and fuel line plumbing shown above is totally different from the pictures I'm about to post of mine!
Would have been an awesome comment about 3 months ago...lol
Joking aside, you are probably right - various photos show a range of shades to be honest, but maybe next time a milky wash on the reverse might work. Access a bit tough now.
I'll just say I am building a 'clear canopy' version so you can see detail...
AND there is more engine detail I can add on that top photo!
To be honest, not being a 'production' car built by robots, every photo is different. The wiring and fuel line plumbing shown above is totally different from the pictures I'm about to post of mine!
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