Gen II GT3: pdk or manual

Gen II GT3: pdk or manual

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alphonso

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273 posts

195 months

Thursday 5th January 2017
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It was hinted by my local OPC that, despite only having bought a couple of new cars, my early expression of interest (mid 2014) in the GenII GT3 may actually put me in good stead for a build slot. Now I'm not holding my breath but it got me thinking as to whether or not I'd opt for the pdk or manual (should it actually be available).. manual is gonna be more fun, obvs, and you can always get a boggo standard daily driver with a modern auto box, so a manual makes good sense. I then get to wondering why the regular 991s in manual is so unpopular and resale values are so poor compared to, say an earlier GT car, to which it would give a good whipping round a track. Anyway, I was wondering if there were any thoughts on it..

av185

18,497 posts

127 months

Thursday 5th January 2017
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This years GT3 will get the 991 GT3 RS PDK S box and the possibly less aeroed version the 911 R 'manuel' box.

Both will be eminently suitable for the car. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

You cannot compare a 991 S Carrera with a GT3 in anyway, least of all residually.

But fwiw, the early 'manuel' Carreras had a relatively poor box but despite this have held up relatively well residually.....and especially compared to the vanilla 997 s.

New GT3 residual forcast. Up to 2 years old parity between gearbox types. After 2 years the 'manuel' will be ahead. Despite anticipated 50 50 sales by Porsche.

driving

LaSource

2,622 posts

208 months

Thursday 5th January 2017
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I believe the cooking models have a 7 speed manual box which is not the same as the 4.0 RS / 991 R style 6 speed box.
Think a 7 speed box in a GT3 would vex many a manual lover smile

Robbo66

3,829 posts

233 months

Friday 6th January 2017
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av185 said:
This years GT3 will get the 991 GT3 RS PDK S box and the possibly less aeroed version the 911 R 'manuel' box.

Both will be eminently suitable for the car. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

You cannot compare a 991 S Carrera with a GT3 in anyway, least of all residually.

But fwiw, the early 'manuel' Carreras had a relatively poor box but despite this have held up relatively well residually.....and especially compared to the vanilla 997 s.

New GT3 residual forcast. Up to 2 years old parity between gearbox types. After 2 years the 'manuel' will be ahead. Despite anticipated 50 50 sales by Porsche.

driving
It won't. The Gen 2 will be PDK only.Lesser models will have the manual option.

sidicks

25,218 posts

221 months

Friday 6th January 2017
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av185 said:
This years GT3 will get the 991 GT3 RS PDK S box and the possibly less aeroed version the 911 R 'manuel' box.

Both will be eminently suitable for the car. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

You cannot compare a 991 S Carrera with a GT3 in anyway, least of all residually.

But fwiw, the early 'manuel' Carreras had a relatively poor box but despite this have held up relatively well residually.....and especially compared to the vanilla 997 s.

New GT3 residual forcast. Up to 2 years old parity between gearbox types. After 2 years the 'manuel' will be ahead. Despite anticipated 50 50 sales by Porsche.

driving
How does this differ from the PDK-S gearbox in the Gen 1 991 GT3?

cypriot

475 posts

99 months

Friday 6th January 2017
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Robbo66 said:
It won't. The Gen 2 will be PDK only.Lesser models will have the manual option.
out of interest, can you post the link to where you have heard this? as far as I can see and find, a manual is still on track.

Slickhillsy

1,772 posts

143 months

Friday 6th January 2017
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God I wish they'd just launch the thing so we can stop all this oooooooooo no it hasn't oooooooooo yes it has bolix lol

Cheib

23,205 posts

175 months

Friday 6th January 2017
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LaSource said:
I believe the cooking models have a 7 speed manual box which is not the same as the 4.0 RS / 991 R style 6 speed box.
Think a 7 speed box in a GT3 would vex many a manual lover smile
I'd be surprised if they didn't use the " R" box...incredibly expensive to use it for a run of just 900 odd cars ?!?!

av185

18,497 posts

127 months

Friday 6th January 2017
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Robbo66 said:
The Gen 2 will be PDK only.Lesser models will have the manual option.
Not according to a number of reliable sources.

Also, whilst he has been known for several 'inaccuracies' hehe before, primarily in the name of 'marketing', Andreas Preuninger confirmed on the 1.3.16. that the 911 R manual gearbox is extremely likely to be offered in the gen 2 GT3. Also fwiw, confirmed and reported in Autocar on 14.7.16.

In addition to the 'manuel' option, looks like the next GT3 will have a similar 4.0 engine to the 991 GT3 RS (hopefully including the most recent durability 'improvements') with power and torque just under that of the RS.

av185

18,497 posts

127 months

Friday 6th January 2017
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sidicks said:
How does this differ from the PDK-S gearbox in the Gen 1 991 GT3?
Don't know, but given that the new engine will effectively be the 4 litre from the RS it is likely the same gearbox will be used with faster changes and a shorter paddle throw than the first gen GT3.

Taffy66

5,964 posts

102 months

Friday 6th January 2017
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I'm hoping for a slot on the 991.2GT3 and after being out tonight in my Gt4 i honestly don't know if i can bear to part with it .If i decide to keep my Gt4 to run alongside with my fictionous GT3 i might be tempted to spec my GT3 with PDK-s to complement my Gt4.
My ideal 991.2 would be a light 6 speed manual 4.0l GT3 engine 991.2T with rear seats and a fixed ducktail spoiler.

AndrewD

7,536 posts

284 months

Saturday 7th January 2017
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Unless the OP's OPC has very little interest expressed in the car, which I doubt, hints nods and winks about getting a car are pretty meaningless since no dealers will know their allocations yet.

av185

18,497 posts

127 months

Saturday 7th January 2017
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330 ish UK 991.1 GT3s.

Several new OPCs since 2013, 'manuel' option broadening appeal particularly following the sucess and demand for the GT4 and Spyder together with Porsches desire to capitalise on the GT branding strength whilst also retaining exclusivity and premiums would suggest around 500, although time will tell.

RSVP911

8,192 posts

133 months

Saturday 7th January 2017
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av185 said:
330 ish UK 991.1 GT3s.

Several new OPCs since 2013, 'manuel' option broadening appeal particularly following the sucess and demand for the GT4 and Spyder together with Porsches desire to capitalise on the GT branding strength whilst also retaining exclusivity and premiums would suggest around 500, although time will tell.
Hi AV do you know what the final 991RS number was ? Cheers smile

braddo

10,427 posts

188 months

Saturday 7th January 2017
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av185 said:
... 'manuel' ...
I wish you would stop writing that. hehe Why do you do it?

The play on the 'manuel' typo is to call it a Spanish box. Not sure what other reference makes sense...

av185

18,497 posts

127 months

Saturday 7th January 2017
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RSVP911 said:
Hi AV do you know what the final 991RS number was ? Cheers smile
R, there were 289 UK cars up to 30.9.16. plus last quarters cars and a few yet to be delivered this year.

So around 330 I reckon.....

av185

18,497 posts

127 months

Saturday 7th January 2017
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braddo said:
I wish you would stop writing that. hehe Why do you do it?



(Sorry, couldn't resist)

av185

18,497 posts

127 months

Saturday 7th January 2017
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Wonder if this is PDK S?


RSVP911

8,192 posts

133 months

Saturday 7th January 2017
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av185 said:
R, there were 289 UK cars up to 30.9.16. plus last quarters cars and a few yet to be delivered this year.

So around 330 I reckon.....
Thanks av - not the 1000's and 1000's some said : do you know when the final quarters figures are published ?

Cheers smile

Twinfan

10,125 posts

104 months

Saturday 7th January 2017
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braddo said:
I wish you would stop writing that. hehe Why do you do it?

The play on the 'manuel' typo is to call it a Spanish box. Not sure what other reference makes sense...
I'm glad someone else has noticed that - it's been doing my head in!