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SKP555

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1,114 posts

125 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Just listened to May's Brexit speech and she mentioned that international organisations don't always fit well with Britain’s political culture and traditions.

This got me thinking about these groups in general and whether there are other ones we should leave.

Many of the same arguments apply to the United Nations in particular. It lacks accountability, it is bureaucratic and unresponsive, we are in a minority as net contributors and can be out voted by countries which contribute less.

It made sense post WW2 but has the UN out lived its usefulness in the same way the EU has? What would we lose by leaving it?

citizensm1th

8,371 posts

136 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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So let me get this right you want us to leave the one organisation where we have a absolute veto and a permanent seat at the top table?

Pothole

34,367 posts

281 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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citizensm1th said:
So let me get this right you want us to leave the one organisation where we have a absolute veto and a permanent seat at the top table?
So let me get this right, you've decided to make an assumption and ask a question rather than answer the questions the OP posed?

SKP555

Original Poster:

1,114 posts

125 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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What good do they do us?

And what would we lose by leaving?

I'm not saying that we definitely should leave, just curious as to what the benefits are for us and if they're worth it?

B'stard Child

28,320 posts

245 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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citizensm1th said:
So let me get this right you want us to leave the one organisation where we have a absolute veto and a permanent seat at the top table?
He's probably thinking it will go the same way as the EU - after all - we had 20% of the say in the EU and it got eroded to 9.5% in under 43 years of membership biggrin

B'stard Child

28,320 posts

245 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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SKP555 said:
What good do they do us?

And what would we lose by leaving?

I'm not saying that we definitely should leave, just curious as to what the benefits are for us and if they're worth it?
Good - can we finish leaving one organisation before we start thinking about leaving another wink

Troubleatmill

10,210 posts

158 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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The UN is the accepted forum for deploying handbags.

citizensm1th

8,371 posts

136 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Pothole said:
citizensm1th said:
So let me get this right you want us to leave the one organisation where we have a absolute veto and a permanent seat at the top table?
So let me get this right, you've decided to make an assumption and ask a question rather than answer the questions the OP posed?
ok for the hard of comprehension we would lose our place in a organisation where we are have permanent seat at the top table (the security council) if we left the U.N. and any chance of vetoing serious world changing choices we did not agree with. that is what we would loose if we left the u.n.

simple enough for you?

we have not even started to explore the influence being a permanent member of the security council brings as a side benefit

SKP555

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1,114 posts

125 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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B'stard Child said:
Good - can we finish leaving one organisation before we start thinking about leaving another wink
laugh

Well I pretty much consider the EU a done deal now.

B'stard Child

28,320 posts

245 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Troubleatmill said:
The UN is the accepted forum for deploying handbags.
So if the UN just deploy handbags (unless this is code for something else that is far more effective) what about NATO then should we leave that?

I mean clearly the leaving malarkey is infectious - lord knows where it will stop biggrin

citizensm1th

8,371 posts

136 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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B'stard Child said:
citizensm1th said:
So let me get this right you want us to leave the one organisation where we have a absolute veto and a permanent seat at the top table?
He's probably thinking it will go the same way as the EU - after all - we had 20% of the say in the EU and it got eroded to 9.5% in under 43 years of membership biggrin
The right wing in america regularly question the role of the U.n. but not even they seriously consider leaving it once the adults explain to them how Russia and china let alone Iran would run rough shod over Americas interests in the world

Blib

43,789 posts

196 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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I have no idea whether we should stay in or leave any international bodies. However, when the UN Council for Human Rights has these countries as board members, I have to raise an eyebrow.

China, Cuba, Egypt, Iraq, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Venezuela.

B'stard Child

28,320 posts

245 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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SKP555 said:
B'stard Child said:
Good - can we finish leaving one organisation before we start thinking about leaving another wink
laugh

Well I pretty much consider the EU a done deal now.
And that's exactly what "tresemme" wants you to think - it's all a very clever act - she is in league with that fella whose name I forget "frothalot" and that utter skunk "Soubriety" as well as "Dead cLegg" who once had some power in a shared status type arrangement but fecked it all up by not standing by his principles scratchchin

SKP555

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1,114 posts

125 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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Actually NATO is probably more pressing than the UN.

It ties us to defending Turkey if they're attacked, and Turkey is run by a lunatic.

It needs radical reform, or just leave. I've got a taste for leaving stuff now.

skyrover

12,668 posts

203 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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The UN is utterly utterly inept.

Unfortunately we have nothing else.

B'stard Child

28,320 posts

245 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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SKP555 said:
Actually NATO is probably more pressing than the UN.

It ties us to defending Turkey if they're attacked, and Turkey is run by a lunatic.

It needs radical reform, or just leave. I've got a taste for leaving stuff now.
See my previous comment - we ain't left the EuSSR yet..........

SKP555

Original Poster:

1,114 posts

125 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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B'stard Child said:
And that's exactly what "tresemme" wants you to think - it's all a very clever act - she is in league with that fella whose name I forget "frothalot" and that utter skunk Soubriety as well as "dead clegg" who once had some power in a shared status type arrangement but fecked it all up by not standing by his principles scratchchin
That's another reason to go all guns blazing IMO. Get all these bitter Remains tied up defending our membership of the UN, NATO, WTO, Interflora etc so that losing just the EU seems more palatable to them.

Come On Britain, let's leave something else. It's great.

Derek Smith

45,512 posts

247 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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citizensm1th said:
So let me get this right you want us to leave the one organisation where we have a absolute veto and a permanent seat at the top table?
I reckon we will lose our right to the top table, as you put it, within a while. We have no real right to it at the moment and leaving the EU will cost us influence.

The UN has done sterling work around the world with its various institutions. While it is a talking shop, that's considerably better than the alternative. Look up the League of Nation's history and see what happens when countries leave international organisations.

Or perhaps we can ignore the lessons of history and just repeat the failures of the past.




powerstroke

10,283 posts

159 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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SKP555 said:
B'stard Child said:
And that's exactly what "tresemme" wants you to think - it's all a very clever act - she is in league with that fella whose name I forget "frothalot" and that utter skunk Soubriety as well as "dead clegg" who once had some power in a shared status type arrangement but fecked it all up by not standing by his principles scratchchin
That's another reason to go all guns blazing IMO. Get all these bitter Remains tied up defending our membership of the UN, NATO, WTO, Interflora etc so that losing just the EU seems more palatable to them.

Come On Britain, let's leave something else. It's great.

Could we leave the labour party ???

B'stard Child

28,320 posts

245 months

Tuesday 17th January 2017
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powerstroke said:
SKP555 said:
B'stard Child said:
And that's exactly what "tresemme" wants you to think - it's all a very clever act - she is in league with that fella whose name I forget "frothalot" and that utter skunk Soubriety as well as "dead clegg" who once had some power in a shared status type arrangement but fecked it all up by not standing by his principles scratchchin
That's another reason to go all guns blazing IMO. Get all these bitter Remains tied up defending our membership of the UN, NATO, WTO, Interflora etc so that losing just the EU seems more palatable to them.

Come On Britain, let's leave something else. It's great.

Could we leave the labour party ???
I'm sorry - I think we are stuck with them......