1978 Matchbox Kit Catalogue

1978 Matchbox Kit Catalogue

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dr_gn

16,163 posts

184 months

Wednesday 8th February 2017
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Eric Mc said:
dr_gn said:
It's not the same set of figures, they are in fact totally different.

Airfix released two versions of many of their figure sets, the first of which were all HO/OO. The second were HO/OO with the newer boxings (containing the same figures) re-designated as 1:72.
Hadn't realised that.

I was going on the listing as per the Airfix Tribute site.They do have two Afrika Corps sets - but both listed as 1/76.
OO scale is 1:76

Eric Mc

122,032 posts

265 months

Wednesday 8th February 2017
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I know.

The point I was making is that, on occasions, Airfix have labelled the figures as 1/72 - which isn't strictly speaking correct.

But, being figures, isn't that much of an issue.


dr_gn

16,163 posts

184 months

Wednesday 8th February 2017
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Eric Mc said:
I know.

The point I was making is that, on occasions, Airfix have labelled the figures as 1/72 - which isn't strictly speaking correct.

But, being figures, isn't that much of an issue.
That's what I said regarding the second release of the sets:

dr_gn said:
The second were HO/OO with the newer boxings (containing the same figures) re-designated as 1:72.

Yertis

18,052 posts

266 months

Wednesday 8th February 2017
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dr_gn said:
OO scale is 1:76
Strictly speaking (I think) 'OO' is a gauge, rather than a scale. Hence in the world of model railways you can have OO, EM, Protofour, Scalefour etc all of which are 1/76 (or 4mm to the foot) but with gauges varying from 16.5 (IIRC) for OO to 18 point something mm for Scalefour etc. HO is half O gauge and N gauge is something like 1/148 or similar unless you're a cantinental modeller in which it's something else. Incompatible model railway scales are more evidence of an EU membership doomed from the start... biggrin

PS I know you know all this already, but I thought it would be useful to add to the confusion. For example the Airfix Control Tower started out as a trackside accessory, so was presumably 1/76 or though so inaccurate in hardly matters. And what scale was the RAF refuelling set, AEC Matador etc?

Murph7355

37,715 posts

256 months

Wednesday 8th February 2017
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Yertis said:
...4mm to the foot...
biggrin

dr_gn

16,163 posts

184 months

Wednesday 8th February 2017
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Yertis said:
dr_gn said:
OO scale is 1:76
Strictly speaking (I think) 'OO' is a gauge, rather than a scale. Hence in the world of model railways you can have OO, EM, Protofour, Scalefour etc all of which are 1/76 (or 4mm to the foot) but with gauges varying from 16.5 (IIRC) for OO to 18 point something mm for Scalefour etc. HO is half O gauge and N gauge is something like 1/148 or similar unless you're a cantinental modeller in which it's something else. Incompatible model railway scales are more evidence of an EU membership doomed from the start... biggrin

PS I know you know all this already, but I thought it would be useful to add to the confusion. For example the Airfix Control Tower started out as a trackside accessory, so was presumably 1/76 or though so inaccurate in hardly matters. And what scale was the RAF refuelling set, AEC Matador etc?
I think the OO/HO can be either scale or gauge tbh.

My version of the refuelling set is 1:72, but...







(not my images, credit to owners)

wolfracesonic

7,001 posts

127 months

Wednesday 8th February 2017
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But, but, but....................frown





Having to attack this 1/72 Coastal defense fort with my 1/76 AFVs gave me many a sleepless night I can tell you

Eric Mc

122,032 posts

265 months

Wednesday 8th February 2017
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Size matters.

Yertis

18,052 posts

266 months

Wednesday 8th February 2017
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Murph7355 said:
Yertis said:
...4mm to the foot...
biggrin
That always makes me grin too. Just British things, etc...

Yertis

18,052 posts

266 months

Thursday 9th February 2017
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Now is a good a time as any to show you my office installation:



I plan to hang them in my study at home but the walls there are already full so they're just propped on a cabinet at the moment. Getting this done was reasonably expensive and a bit more tricky than it looks. For a while I wished I'd not bothered. But now, every time I look up from my desk, I think "hmmm... maybe it's time to start on Series 4". Maybe I'll just do a quickie with Series 6 first scratchchin

dr_gn

16,163 posts

184 months

Thursday 9th February 2017
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Yertis said:
Now is a good a time as any to show you my office installation:



I plan to hang them in my study at home but the walls there are already full so they're just propped on a cabinet at the moment. Getting this done was reasonably expensive and a bit more tricky than it looks. For a while I wished I'd not bothered. But now, every time I look up from my desk, I think "hmmm... maybe it's time to start on Series 4". Maybe I'll just do a quickie with Series 6 first scratchchin
They look awesome.

Eric Mc

122,032 posts

265 months

Friday 10th February 2017
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That is impressive. You can't beat Roy Cross artwork.

generationx

6,745 posts

105 months

Friday 10th February 2017
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I hope those boxes are empty and you´ve built them evil !

Yertis

18,052 posts

266 months

Friday 10th February 2017
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generationx said:
I hope those boxes are empty and you´ve built them evil !
No, they're all unbuilt and in the boxes. The B17 is incomplete, and the Lancaster has been started and was hence quite cheap. Some of the box lids were slightly crushed so they've been reinforced with foamcore. The Friendship is rare in a type 4 box was had to find – in fact it was Eric here who pointed me at a place I might find one. The 0/400 is also quite rare in a type 4 box, and this one is actually a bit tatty. Typically, the day I took delivery of the framed boxes, a nice clean example turned up. The Invader box is rammed full of parts, lots of value in that model even if it is a bit of an Airfix rivet-fest. The Lanc looks unbelievably crude now, but I think it's probably the oldest set of moulds here.

Before this I'd done these dogfight doubles as a proof of concept:


eccles

13,733 posts

222 months

Friday 10th February 2017
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Yertis said:
Now is a good a time as any to show you my office installation:



I plan to hang them in my study at home but the walls there are already full so they're just propped on a cabinet at the moment. Getting this done was reasonably expensive and a bit more tricky than it looks. For a while I wished I'd not bothered. But now, every time I look up from my desk, I think "hmmm... maybe it's time to start on Series 4". Maybe I'll just do a quickie with Series 6 first scratchchin
I made all those in the 70's. My local VG shop had a back room with a huge range of Airfix kits and pretty much all my pocket money went on them and Biggles books!

Neonblau

875 posts

133 months

Friday 17th February 2017
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dr_gn said:
I think the OO/HO can be either scale or gauge tbh.

My version of the refuelling set is 1:72, but...







(not my images, credit to owners)
No - as Yertis states above OO is scale/gauge combination (1/76 or 4mm/foot on 16.5 mm gauge track - which in actually makes it narrower than a scale 4'8 1/2"). HO is 1/87 and used in everywhere else, Europe, USA and the gauge is true to scale. The reason was that given the technology of the time the electric motors would not fit into 1/87 scale British prototypes which to this day are smaller because of the restricted loading gauge. Most track sold in OO trainsets is actually HO as can be seen from the closer sleeper spacing.

Again as Yertis states the model railway world is full of different scale/gauge combinations, including OO, EM, P4, S4 and even a minority interest British HO Society.

dr_gn

16,163 posts

184 months

Friday 17th February 2017
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Neonblau said:
dr_gn said:
I think the OO/HO can be either scale or gauge tbh.

My version of the refuelling set is 1:72, but...







(not my images, credit to owners)
No - as Yertis states above OO is scale/gauge combination
So isn't that what I said - it's commonly stated as a scale or gauge, unlike O gauge, which is hardly ever refered to as a scale?