tamiya 1/10 rc car faster

[tuscrv8]

i got my lads a tamiya tl-01 rc car off ebay a week or so ago.
and they have started to race it againts a friends simular rc car on the local car park. but as dads are the spirit of competition has raised its head. so how do i make it quicker without spending a fortune

car is totally standard apart from a m tronics eco27 speed controller



thanks

[andrewrob]

tuscrv8 said:

i got my lads a tamiya tl-01 rc car off ebay a week or so ago.
and they have started to race it againts a friends simular rc car on the local car park. but as dads are the spirit of competition has raised its head. so how do i make it quicker without spending a fortune

car is totally standard apart from a m tronics eco27 speed controller



thanks

I found my old TL01 at my parents house the other day. Its been years since I've done anything with it but I think me and my brother put uprated motors in ours. They weren't too expensive at the time and made a fair difference.
Here my be a good place to look:
http://www.modelsport.co.uk/?CallFunction=Category...

[SillyALFALove]

The single biggest differenca you can make will to replace the bushings throughout the car with proper bearings.
As standard Tamiya use plastic and phos bronxe busings which are a cost measure but propper bearings will be smoother therfore offering a better driving car and fractionally more run time as you are reducing resistance.

The Mtronics Eco 27 is a very basi ESC and will only cope with 27turn and above motors but even then some of the race 27t stock motors will be running too high timing and draw too much current for its liking..

It depends how far you want to go but maybe try and pick up a used speed control then a quicker motor.
Brused ESC`s go for very little on ebay these days as the high end stuff is all brushless now and certainly if you fancy racing the way to go..

[andrewrob]

SillyALFALove said:

The single biggest differenca you can make will to replace the bushings throughout the car with proper bearings.
As standard Tamiya use plastic and phos bronxe busings which are a cost measure but propper bearings will be smoother therfore offering a better driving car and fractionally more run time as you are reducing resistance.

The Mtronics Eco 27 is a very basi ESC and will only cope with 27turn and above motors but even then some of the race 27t stock motors will be running too high timing and draw too much current for its liking..

It depends how far you want to go but maybe try and pick up a used speed control then a quicker motor.
Brused ESC`s go for very little on ebay these days as the high end stuff is all brushless now and certainly if you fancy racing the way to go..

Ah yes thats the other thing we did to ours. The ball race bearing set was £20 from memory.

[SillyALFALove]

I seem to recal that the Tl01 is all 5*11*4mm or 1150 as Tamiya call them.
You will need 24pcs.

Tamiya ones are a fortune but there are loads of aftermarket ones (including ours) depending how crazy you want to get.
TBH the cheapey £12 ebay ones are a load better than stock bushings and though not upto serious racing you will see the benefit.

[tuscrv8]

thanks for the info

i would like to pick up another car as the lads are fighting over this one

[vdubbin]

As mentioned, Bearings.
Battery (even a 3000mAh NiMH stick will have more oomph than the used 2nd hand pack)
Competition spec (i.e. stock racing)27T motor (these usually have bearings on the drive shaft)
Uprated ESC.

Do you want more acceleration or better top speed? A smaller pinion gear on the motor, or the TL01 speed tuned gear set (or both) will help the pickup.

The TL01 is an older, entry-level chassis, it's pretty heavy compared to a lot of the comp-spec stuff, but it's a tough old bird, and loves to go sideways! Just watch the spend, or you'll end up getting silly stuff like the graphite gearbox shafts and titanium ball diffs (what was i thinking?? )

Edited by vdubbin on Tuesday 20th July 11:20

[Holst]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ezrun-9T-brushless-Motor-3in...

Stick something like this in it and it will be MUCH MUCH faster
You may also need to change the pinion gear on the motor to get the best out of a new motor.

Dont bother with brushed motors, just get a cheap brushless as they are more reliable and more efficient.

Upgrade to ball bearings first as the standard bushes wont last long with more power.

You can also get a more powerful battery. With a more powerful motor the batteries wont last as long.

[vdubbin]

Why did you have to show me that Holst! I'd know idea the brushless stuff had become so reasonably priced...

[Simond001]

I'd go for a 12t or 13.5 in that chassis. 9t is quite aggresive in an old car and will put a lot of strain on the drivechain.

Also, if you do go down this route set the throttle curve up so it is as gentle as possible. No point spinning the wheels on every corner exit!

[Holst]

Simond001 said:

I'd go for a 12t or 13.5 in that chassis. 9t is quite aggresive in an old car and will put a lot of strain on the drivechain.

Also, if you do go down this route set the throttle curve up so it is as gentle as possible. No point spinning the wheels on every corner exit!

The 9T may well break something in the drivetrain.

I did show some restraint as you can get a 5.5T for the same price as the combo above but I figured that would be way too much.

[GTCDI]

I have one of these lying around at home, its got all the bearings changed , the graphite shaft, the wider track with anti roll bars. 10t motor with an electronic speed controller. These are great! It will drift easy as its got more power then the tyres can handle!

[shanus mcanus]

wow!! you lot sound like you know wot youre on about!! Good! Been given a tl-01 myself and have found that when i push the forward control all the way forward car cuts out. Its got a brush type speed contoller operated by an acoms AS 12 IC servo. Can anyone help? Also if im looking to upgrade in the future how do i know which motor goes with which speed controller? What is meant by "turns" regarding motors? Having not had the pleasure of building the thing myself how difficult is it to change all the bearings? If you could shed some light on this i would be most greatful. If your someone who is itching to share your years of knowledge on this subject and you wanna tell me loads of stuff that would be even better. feel free to waffle, waffling is good! thanks shane

[andrewrob]

shanus mcanus said:

wow!! you lot sound like you know wot youre on about!! Good! Been given a tl-01 myself and have found that when i push the forward control all the way forward car cuts out. Its got a brush type speed contoller operated by an acoms AS 12 IC servo. Can anyone help? Also if im looking to upgrade in the future how do i know which motor goes with which speed controller? What is meant by "turns" regarding motors? Having not had the pleasure of building the thing myself how difficult is it to change all the bearings? If you could shed some light on this i would be most greatful. If your someone who is itching to share your years of knowledge on this subject and you wanna tell me loads of stuff that would be even better. feel free to waffle, waffling is good! thanks shane

Is it going off of the end of the metal contact? It might need adjusting back a bit. If not it might just need cleaning with a bit of rubber or an abrasive cloth. Mine used to spark quite a bit and it would soon go black and need cleaning.

[thehos]

shanus mcanus said:

wow!! you lot sound like you know wot youre on about!! Good! Been given a tl-01 myself and have found that when i push the forward control all the way forward car cuts out. Its got a brush type speed contoller operated by an acoms AS 12 IC servo. Can anyone help? Also if im looking to upgrade in the future how do i know which motor goes with which speed controller? What is meant by "turns" regarding motors? Having not had the pleasure of building the thing myself how difficult is it to change all the bearings? If you could shed some light on this i would be most greatful. If your someone who is itching to share your years of knowledge on this subject and you wanna tell me loads of stuff that would be even better. feel free to waffle, waffling is good! thanks shane

disconnect the motor, undo the screw in the middle of the servo horn on the throttle servo and pull it off, turn the power on, (car and sticks), set the throttle trim to neutral, refix servo horn, turn power off, both, connect motor, off you go!

[Mr.Jimbo]

Though an electronic speed controller will offer you a lot more control (it has something like 300 steps, as opposed to 3 steps on the mechanical speed controller)

They're more efficient too!

[Jetblackonetenth]

shanus mcanus said:

wow!! you lot sound like you know wot youre on about!! Good! Been given a tl-01 myself and have found that when i push the forward control all the way forward car cuts out. Its got a brush type speed contoller operated by an acoms AS 12 IC servo. Can anyone help? Also if im looking to upgrade in the future how do i know which motor goes with which speed controller? What is meant by "turns" regarding motors? Having not had the pleasure of building the thing myself how difficult is it to change all the bearings? If you could shed some light on this i would be most greatful. If your someone who is itching to share your years of knowledge on this subject and you wanna tell me loads of stuff that would be even better. feel free to waffle, waffling is good! thanks shane

Look on BRCA.org and find your local club. there will be loads of people there willing to help you. Most good dedicated RC model shops will also be very helpful

Where are you based?

[theshrew]

LOL everyone starts with these cars. Truth be told thre good for someone just messin about but rubbish for racing.
The noise of them does my head in lol.

Anyway for a cheap simple fix

Get a 27t motor stick it in will see a big difference + use bearings intead of bushes

if you want to go further get some better batteries and you will need a better speed controller and maybe a 19T motor wouldnt go any more than that with one of these cars.

[Simond001]

shanus mcanus said:

wow!! you lot sound like you know wot youre on about!! Good! Been given a tl-01 myself and have found that when i push the forward control all the way forward car cuts out. Its got a brush type speed contoller operated by an acoms AS 12 IC servo. Can anyone help? Also if im looking to upgrade in the future how do i know which motor goes with which speed controller? What is meant by "turns" regarding motors? Having not had the pleasure of building the thing myself how difficult is it to change all the bearings? If you could shed some light on this i would be most greatful. If your someone who is itching to share your years of knowledge on this subject and you wanna tell me loads of stuff that would be even better. feel free to waffle, waffling is good! thanks shane

To start, please use punctuation and the English language. It makes it so much easier to read.

As already stated the sweep type speed controller is controlled by the arm on the servo. Once you have the servo arm in the centre point on the controller you can then move the linkage toward to the centre spline for less rotation, or away for more. This may assist in keeping the arm on the board and stopping it going too far. If your transmitter has end point adjustment that will negate the need for any of this.

Regarding motors the cars come as standard with a Mabuchi Rs 540 which is commonly referred to as a "silver can". Obvious first upgrade is the black can style motor. http://www.pit-bitz.com/product_info.php?cPath=37_... cheap and about 25% more top end. It will also work ok without overheating your speedo wires.

Anything more than that I'd suggest looking at an electronic speedo, at this point either the budget ezyrun brushless system or a brushed solution would be fine. At your local club you will pick up a speedo and motor for next to nothing as nearly all racers have loads of uncompetitive spares. Still plenty fast enough for that chassis though.

Bearings. Cleaning and rebuilding the car is a great way to understand how they work. I would suggest starting at the outer extremeties (the wheels) and working inwards. Even if you do this over a few sessions and rebuild after each stage it will help you as building the car becomes second nature. Tamiya bearings are ridiculously expensive. I think we sell them for about £9 for a full set for that car.

Edited by Simond001 on Saturday 7th August 10:15

[wacattack]

Simond001 said:

shanus mcanus said:

wow!! you lot sound like you know wot youre on about!! Good! Been given a tl-01 myself and have found that when i push the forward control all the way forward car cuts out. Its got a brush type speed contoller operated by an acoms AS 12 IC servo. Can anyone help? Also if im looking to upgrade in the future how do i know which motor goes with which speed controller? What is meant by "turns" regarding motors? Having not had the pleasure of building the thing myself how difficult is it to change all the bearings? If you could shed some light on this i would be most greatful. If your someone who is itching to share your years of knowledge on this subject and you wanna tell me loads of stuff that would be even better. feel free to waffle, waffling is good! thanks shane

To start, please use punctuation and the English language. It makes it so much easier to read.

As already stated the sweep type speed controller is controlled by the arm on the servo. Once you have the servo arm in the centre point on the controller you can then move the linkage toward to the centre spline for less rotation, or away for more. This may assist in keeping the arm on the board and stopping it going too far. If your transmitter has end point adjustment that will negate the need for any of this.

Regarding motors the cars come as standard with a silver. Obvious first upgrade is the black can style motor. http://www.pit-bitz.com/product_info.php?cPath=37_... cheap and about 25% more top end. Will also work ok without overheating your speedo wires.

Anything more than that I'd suggest looking at an electronic speedo, at this point either the budget ezyrun brushless system or a brushed solution would be fine. At your local club you will pick up a speedo and motor for next to nothing as nearly all racers have loads of uncompetitive spares. Still plenty fast enough for that chassis though.

Bearings. Cleaning and rebuilding the car is a great way to understand how they work. I would suggest starting at the outer extremeties (the wheels) and working inwards. Even if you do this over a few sessions and rebuild after each stage it will help you as building the car becomes second nature. Tamiya bearings are ridiculously expensive. I think we sell them for about £9 for a full set for that car.

Edited by Simond001 on Friday 6th August 13:04

Don't you mean "It will" rather than starting the sentence "Will"
Also, when you say "Regarding motors the cars come as standard with a silver" you forgot your comma after motors and you finished the sentence with "silver", a silver what?

Concentrate on your own grammar before you go criticising others