Blade MSR Micro RC Helicopter

[dr_gn]

M-J-B said:

dr_gn said:

rhinochopig said:

Thanks for offer, but I've just bought one. I had some birthday money that I've been looking to spend on something and videos of this thing whizzing about have sold me on one.

Ha ha...fished in!...but you won't regret it.

I can fly mine a bit better now: I was automatically using the right stick for turning (as for gliders etc) but it doesn't work so well for helis in a confined space! Better to just use forward right stick, and yaw with the left stick to make a turn. It's amazing how quickly you get used to different control methods, but un-learning them again is hard!

Correct, if you don't use the rudder on a helicopter, it won't turn.

Ironically I swapped from mode 1 to mode 2 for fixed wing after getting the coaxials and realflight Flight Sim. Re-learned fixed wing for mode 2 (cos it seemed more logical after flying the helis), and never had a problem with it in 'real life', then coming back to helis I got confused!

I'm getting about 7 mins continuous flight per battery out of mine...what's everyone else got?

Edited by dr_gn on Sunday 5th September 15:24

[M-J-B]

dr_gn said:

M-J-B said:

dr_gn said:

rhinochopig said:

Thanks for offer, but I've just bought one. I had some birthday money that I've been looking to spend on something and videos of this thing whizzing about have sold me on one.

Ha ha...fished in!...but you won't regret it.

I can fly mine a bit better now: I was automatically using the right stick for turning (as for gliders etc) but it doesn't work so well for helis in a confined space! Better to just use forward right stick, and yaw with the left stick to make a turn. It's amazing how quickly you get used to different control methods, but un-learning them again is hard!

Correct, if you don't use the rudder on a helicopter, it won't turn.

Ironically I swapped from mode 1 to mode 2 for fixed wing after getting the coaxials and realflight Flight Sim. Re-learned fixed wing for mode 2 (cos it seemed more logical after flying the helis), and never had a problem with it in 'real life', then coming back to helis I got confused!

I'm getting about 7 mins continuous flight per battery out of mine...what's everyone else got?

Edited by dr_gn on Sunday 5th September 15:24

With the standard battery about 5 minutes, with the higher power more like 10 depending how I fly it.

On the Twister 3D I can get 12 minutes hovering around using an 'Overlander' battery (Overlander is a make for those who are new to this game)

[rhinochopig]

OK some help needed.

It's just arrived and so far I've barely got the thing of the ground. I just can't seem to trim it to just however. Also the rotor mast looks to be canted over to one side - although this may just be the way the body etc. fit and it's an optical illusion.

So is doing the following correct.

• Turn on transmitter
• Connect battery on helo and then quickly place on flat surface.
• Slowly build rotor rpm and trim yaw - or does it need to be hovering before I do this.
• Raise to hover and attempt to trim pitch and roll to a steady hover.
• Fly gracefully around the garden wondering whether I should do this professionally. Sadly this is where it goes wrong.

For some reason it'll trim in yaw, but pitch and roll seem all over the place. Instead of a steady hover it will oscillate and then start to drift, with the oscillation becoming a big circle before hitting something.

Any suggestion welcome. Oh, and which is the best mode to learn in - at the moment collective and pedals are assigned to left stick and cyclic to right.

[andrewrob]

rhinochopig said:

OK some help needed.

It's just arrived and so far I've barely got the thing of the ground. I just can't seem to trim it to just however. Also the rotor mast looks to be canted over to one side - although this may just be the way the body etc. fit and it's an optical illusion.

So is doing the following correct.

• Turn on transmitter
• Connect battery on helo and then quickly place on flat surface.
• Slowly build rotor rpm and trim yaw - or does it need to be hovering before I do this.
• Raise to hover and attempt to trim pitch and roll to a steady hover.
• Fly gracefully around the garden wondering whether I should do this professionally. Sadly this is where it goes wrong.

For some reason it'll trim in yaw, but pitch and roll seem all over the place. Instead of a steady hover it will oscillate and then start to drift, with the oscillation becoming a big circle before hitting something.

Any suggestion welcome. Oh, and which is the best mode to learn in - at the moment collective and pedals are assigned to left stick and cyclic to right.

Mine looks like the rotor assembly is slightly to one side too, think that's just how they look.
Everything you say there sounds right to me, are you using the standard controller that comes with the RTF bundle? Does it beep when you press the trim buttons?

[Emsman]

If it were me, I would tend to give it throttle quickly to get 3 or 4 feet up before attempting to trim.

Although they are small, they still create a sizeable downdraught- enough to interfere with trimming.

So..... Quickly on the throttle, up a few feet, trim, attempt to fly!!!

[rhinochopig]

Andrewrob - yes standard controller. All works

Emsman - Best order some new rotors then

I suspect it's me and that it won't adopt a stable hover without me flying it - i.e. subtle corrections. The direction of drift does depend on how much RPM you have. What I'm finding interesting is just how much altitude you lose when you start adjusting pitch and roll to keep it in a stable hover.

Tricky little buggers aren't they.

[M-J-B]

rhinochopig said:

Andrewrob - yes standard controller. All works

Emsman - Best order some new rotors then

I suspect it's me and that it won't adopt a stable hover without me flying it - i.e. subtle corrections. The direction of drift does depend on how much RPM you have. What I'm finding interesting is just how much altitude you lose when you start adjusting pitch and roll to keep it in a stable hover.

Tricky little buggers aren't they.

It's all about practice!

You think these are difficult, try a nitro 60 sized chopper flying around at 70mph + inverted....

[rhinochopig]

M-J-B said:

rhinochopig said:

Andrewrob - yes standard controller. All works

Emsman - Best order some new rotors then

I suspect it's me and that it won't adopt a stable hover without me flying it - i.e. subtle corrections. The direction of drift does depend on how much RPM you have. What I'm finding interesting is just how much altitude you lose when you start adjusting pitch and roll to keep it in a stable hover.

Tricky little buggers aren't they.

It's all about practice!

You think these are difficult, if you tried a nitro 60 sized chopper flying around at 70mph + inverted it would be more of an unguided napalm missile

EFA.

[dr_gn]

rhinochopig said:

OK some help needed.

It's just arrived and so far I've barely got the thing of the ground. I just can't seem to trim it to just however. Also the rotor mast looks to be canted over to one side - although this may just be the way the body etc. fit and it's an optical illusion.

So is doing the following correct.

• Turn on transmitter
• Connect battery on helo and then quickly place on flat surface.
• Slowly build rotor rpm and trim yaw - or does it need to be hovering before I do this.
• Raise to hover and attempt to trim pitch and roll to a steady hover.
• Fly gracefully around the garden wondering whether I should do this professionally. Sadly this is where it goes wrong.

For some reason it'll trim in yaw, but pitch and roll seem all over the place. Instead of a steady hover it will oscillate and then start to drift, with the oscillation becoming a big circle before hitting something.

Any suggestion welcome. Oh, and which is the best mode to learn in - at the moment collective and pedals are assigned to left stick and cyclic to right.

The rotor head should be slightly tilted.

What I do is swith on the Tx, and move it 2' away from the heli. Then connect the battery and leave the battery at the side of the heli on a flat surface until the blue light come on, then install the battery.

Remember to make sure that your battery is pushed *fully* forward into its housing.

It should be trimmed from the factory, so reset your trims centrally. Try poping it straight into the air out of ground effect, OR hand launch it, which might be a beter option for starters.

I found that if you gradually increase rpm, it will fall to one side. The skids also have a tendancy to get caught on strands of carpet.

[rhinochopig]

dr_gn said:

rhinochopig said:

OK some help needed.

It's just arrived and so far I've barely got the thing of the ground. I just can't seem to trim it to just however. Also the rotor mast looks to be canted over to one side - although this may just be the way the body etc. fit and it's an optical illusion.

So is doing the following correct.

• Turn on transmitter
• Connect battery on helo and then quickly place on flat surface.
• Slowly build rotor rpm and trim yaw - or does it need to be hovering before I do this.
• Raise to hover and attempt to trim pitch and roll to a steady hover.
• Fly gracefully around the garden wondering whether I should do this professionally. Sadly this is where it goes wrong.

For some reason it'll trim in yaw, but pitch and roll seem all over the place. Instead of a steady hover it will oscillate and then start to drift, with the oscillation becoming a big circle before hitting something.

Any suggestion welcome. Oh, and which is the best mode to learn in - at the moment collective and pedals are assigned to left stick and cyclic to right.

The rotor head should be slightly tilted.

What I do is swith on the Tx, and move it 2' away from the heli. Then connect the battery and leave the battery at the side of the heli on a flat surface until the blue light come on, then install the battery.

Remember to make sure that your battery is pushed *fully* forward into its housing.

It should be trimmed from the factory, so reset your trims centrally. Try poping it straight into the air out of ground effect, OR hand launch it, which might be a beter option for starters.

I found that if you gradually increase rpm, it will fall to one side. The skids also have a tendancy to get caught on strands of carpet.

Cheers.

I'm getting better, and now I've discovered that you have two levels of sensitivity (after read this thread again) things have improved. RTFM

It is rather quick on the default setting. How embarrassing having to ask our new neighbours who I've not met properly met yet if I could have my toy back as it flew over their fence.

Just ordered a new undercarriage as a clumsy landing smashed the current one. Two pair of rotors due as well as they're bound to get chipped on the leading edge.

[dr_gn]

rhinochopig said:

dr_gn said:

rhinochopig said:

OK some help needed.

It's just arrived and so far I've barely got the thing of the ground. I just can't seem to trim it to just however. Also the rotor mast looks to be canted over to one side - although this may just be the way the body etc. fit and it's an optical illusion.

So is doing the following correct.

• Turn on transmitter
• Connect battery on helo and then quickly place on flat surface.
• Slowly build rotor rpm and trim yaw - or does it need to be hovering before I do this.
• Raise to hover and attempt to trim pitch and roll to a steady hover.
• Fly gracefully around the garden wondering whether I should do this professionally. Sadly this is where it goes wrong.

For some reason it'll trim in yaw, but pitch and roll seem all over the place. Instead of a steady hover it will oscillate and then start to drift, with the oscillation becoming a big circle before hitting something.

Any suggestion welcome. Oh, and which is the best mode to learn in - at the moment collective and pedals are assigned to left stick and cyclic to right.

The rotor head should be slightly tilted.

What I do is swith on the Tx, and move it 2' away from the heli. Then connect the battery and leave the battery at the side of the heli on a flat surface until the blue light come on, then install the battery.

Remember to make sure that your battery is pushed *fully* forward into its housing.

It should be trimmed from the factory, so reset your trims centrally. Try poping it straight into the air out of ground effect, OR hand launch it, which might be a beter option for starters.

I found that if you gradually increase rpm, it will fall to one side. The skids also have a tendancy to get caught on strands of carpet.

Cheers.

I'm getting better, and now I've discovered that you have two levels of sensitivity (after read this thread again) things have improved. RTFM

It is rather quick on the default setting. How embarrassing having to ask our new neighbours who I've not met properly met yet if I could have my toy back as it flew over their fence.

Just ordered a new undercarriage as a clumsy landing smashed the current one. Two pair of rotors due as well as they're bound to get chipped on the leading edge.

Yes, press the r/h stick until it beeps - I've got mine on the less sensitive setting.

Try flying square circuits: give it sopme some forward (right stick) and then use the throttle to maintain a constant height while using the same stick to yaw at the 'corners' of the circuit. This is what I'm practicing at the moment. Difficult, but good practice!

[Luftwaffe]

A helicopter can turn without using rudder- use a combination of throttle and yaw and round it goes

[dr_gn]

Luftwaffe said:

A helicopter can turn without using rudder- use a combination of throttle and yaw and round it goes

Yaw is controlled by rudder...or the tail rotor.

The Blade MSR effectively has a heading-lock gyro, so - assuming it's working properly - applying throttle has little or no effect on yaw rate and so you can't use it to turn.

Edited by dr_gn on Wednesday 8th September 14:00