mini r/c helis..whats the next step up from a pico z
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Blade MSR £103 http://www.rc-choppers.co.uk/product/Blade_mSR_RTF...
I would say go for on of these then......
http://alshobbies.com/shop/lookupstock.php?pc=3689...
dead easy to fly, but still fun
http://alshobbies.com/shop/lookupstock.php?pc=3689...
dead easy to fly, but still fun
http://alshobbies.com/shop/lookupstock.php?pc=4193...
that one looks super cool ..bit dear for me though
are these ones youve all suggested less prone to the uncontrolable spinning that the pico type seem to suffer from?
that one looks super cool ..bit dear for me though
are these ones youve all suggested less prone to the uncontrolable spinning that the pico type seem to suffer from?
Edited by steveo3002 on Saturday 27th November 10:23
Edited by steveo3002 on Saturday 27th November 19:30
steveo3002 said:
http://alshobbies.com/shop/lookupstock.php?pc=4193...
that one looks super cool ..bit dear for me though
are these ones youve all suggested less prone to the uncontrolable spinning that the pico type seem to suffer from?
Yes, the PicooZ seems to suffer from a lot from inconsistent control. The Blade MSR is much better because it has a gyro, 'proper' throttle, roll, yaw and pitch controls (and it's not *that* much bigger). It's very easy to control. that one looks super cool ..bit dear for me though
are these ones youve all suggested less prone to the uncontrolable spinning that the pico type seem to suffer from?
Edited by steveo3002 on Saturday 27th November 10:23
Having said that, my first step from the PicooZ was the ESky Lama V3 coaxial:
http://www.helipal.com/lama-v3-2-4g-edition.html?g...
(might have been replaced by the V4 now)
It's bigger, but definitely suitable for indoors, very stable and still has the throttle, roll, yaw and pitch controls. Only downside it that once used to it, it is almost too easy to fly, plus the fact that coaxials always look a bit wrong.
Magic919 said:
For slow speed control I'd rate the MCX over the MSR. The latter is bit wild by comparison.
If you press the right hand control stick on the MSR it switches to low-rate control, and is a lot more docile. You can also chance the swashplate linkages to make it even more beginner-friendly. It's all in the instructions.steveo3002 said:
could you outline the differances (in dummy terms ) between those two please
The Blade MCX is a coaxial, ie one set of rotor blades mounted upon the other. These turn in opposite directions to counter torque:
The MSR is a single main rotor, with a tail rotor to counter the main rotor torque (just like the PicooZ):
In terms of control input to the transmitter, they're both the same. For both models, left stick controls throttle (up/down) and yaw (rotation clockwise/anticlockwise) and right stick controls forward/back and sideways left/sideways right.
The MCX is an inherently more stable design, because the top set of rotors always tends to oppose whatever command is applied to the bottom set (control is via the lower set, the top set is attached to a 'flybar' which is basically an auto-stabilisor). So it'll manouver initialy quite well, but will soon start to try to stabilise itself.
The MSR is slightly different in that it is much less prone to this auto-stabilisation effect (the flybar is attached to the main rotor, as are the controls), and it can be 'thrown around' a bit more effetively. It also looks more like the vast majority of real helicopters.
I can't make a direct comparison since I have never flown an MCX, but if it's anything like the Lama V3 coaxial, then I'd say that the MSR with all the low rate settings enabled is *marginally* more difficult to fly, but is far more fun once you've mastered it. As an aside, to date I've not managed to break the MSR despite some fairly heavy crashes into solid objects. The LamaV3 would have required multiple rebuilds and spares for the same crashes!
Either the Lama, MSX or MSR will give you *much* better control than the PicooZ, which has no direct control of pitch (forward/backwards) or roll (side-to-side). Of course they're all best flown indoors and will be prone to their own rotor wash destabilising them a bit when flying close to objects, but it's all part of the fun.
dr_gn said:
Magic919 said:
For slow speed control I'd rate the MCX over the MSR. The latter is bit wild by comparison.
If you press the right hand control stick on the MSR it switches to low-rate control, and is a lot more docile. You can also chance the swashplate linkages to make it even more beginner-friendly. It's all in the instructions.I've got both the MSR and the MCX and I'm certain the MCX better fits the OP's brief.
Magic919 said:
dr_gn said:
Magic919 said:
For slow speed control I'd rate the MCX over the MSR. The latter is bit wild by comparison.
If you press the right hand control stick on the MSR it switches to low-rate control, and is a lot more docile. You can also chance the swashplate linkages to make it even more beginner-friendly. It's all in the instructions.I've got both the MSR and the MCX and I'm certain the MCX better fits the OP's brief.
It gives a marked difference in response, especially in conjunction with the low-rate flybar adjustment, but as I said in my previous post, it is still *marginally* more difficult to fly than a coaxial IMO. If you buy an MCX, you'll eventually want an MSR or equivalent, so FWIW I'd go for the MSR to start with, shove it on low rates and gradually increase agility using a combination of Tx modes and swashplate adjustment. This will effectively give a four step range in stability.
thats very nice to offer me that thank you, i'll just decide on one and stick with my choice i think
i do like the rotors that look like a real heli , and im happy to stick at it if its practice i need , but the pico wasnt ever going to be great
i do like the rotors that look like a real heli , and im happy to stick at it if its practice i need , but the pico wasnt ever going to be great
Edited by steveo3002 on Saturday 27th November 20:03
Magic919 said:
From someone that's never flown an MCX it's a bit rich. Hey ho.
I know the MSR is extremely stable: it'll easily hover hands off (indeed if you flick the tail with your finger, the gyro will instantly compensate and check the yaw rate) and I know the MCX will be at least as stable, but without any future option to provide more of a challenge.I'd agree that the O/P should go for a coaxial if he's unsure about which to go for - it's the safest bet, but it may very quickly become too easy.
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