Clio 200 questions
Discussion
KENEFICK said:
Hi, Just looking for a little bit of advice.
Recently bought a clio 200 full fat cup and really impressed by it.
Only ever been into german cars and not ever given the french stuff a thought but very happy with the choice so far.
First question. The coolant gauge doesnt reach the middle of the gauge, assuming possible temp sensor or thermostat fault.
The outside temp sensor hasnt read above 2 yet and although cold my other car has fluctuated between 0-8 over the weekend.
Any common issues?
Second question. Very slight knock from the O/S/F when on rough tarmac or pot holes.
Any common issues?
Third question. The gearbox seems to be awkawrd when cold, seems to bulk up slightly going into gear, very nice after 1-2miles and no synchro issues.
Is this normal?
Apologies, late to this.Recently bought a clio 200 full fat cup and really impressed by it.
Only ever been into german cars and not ever given the french stuff a thought but very happy with the choice so far.
First question. The coolant gauge doesnt reach the middle of the gauge, assuming possible temp sensor or thermostat fault.
The outside temp sensor hasnt read above 2 yet and although cold my other car has fluctuated between 0-8 over the weekend.
Any common issues?
Second question. Very slight knock from the O/S/F when on rough tarmac or pot holes.
Any common issues?
Third question. The gearbox seems to be awkawrd when cold, seems to bulk up slightly going into gear, very nice after 1-2miles and no synchro issues.
Is this normal?
1. My temp. gauge never goes above a the second mark. Whole coolant system has just been checked out as the thermostat has been replaced. It still sits in the same place so nothing to worry about there.
2. Common. See the Cliosport forums.
3. Also common. A little grumbly on a very cold morning but slick as you like once it begins to warm through.
ferrisbueller said:
KENEFICK said:
Hi, Just looking for a little bit of advice.
Recently bought a clio 200 full fat cup and really impressed by it.
Only ever been into german cars and not ever given the french stuff a thought but very happy with the choice so far.
First question. The coolant gauge doesnt reach the middle of the gauge, assuming possible temp sensor or thermostat fault.
The outside temp sensor hasnt read above 2 yet and although cold my other car has fluctuated between 0-8 over the weekend.
Any common issues?
Second question. Very slight knock from the O/S/F when on rough tarmac or pot holes.
Any common issues?
Third question. The gearbox seems to be awkawrd when cold, seems to bulk up slightly going into gear, very nice after 1-2miles and no synchro issues.
Is this normal?
Apologies, late to this.Recently bought a clio 200 full fat cup and really impressed by it.
Only ever been into german cars and not ever given the french stuff a thought but very happy with the choice so far.
First question. The coolant gauge doesnt reach the middle of the gauge, assuming possible temp sensor or thermostat fault.
The outside temp sensor hasnt read above 2 yet and although cold my other car has fluctuated between 0-8 over the weekend.
Any common issues?
Second question. Very slight knock from the O/S/F when on rough tarmac or pot holes.
Any common issues?
Third question. The gearbox seems to be awkawrd when cold, seems to bulk up slightly going into gear, very nice after 1-2miles and no synchro issues.
Is this normal?
1. My temp. gauge never goes above a the second mark. Whole coolant system has just been checked out as the thermostat has been replaced. It still sits in the same place so nothing to worry about there.
2. Common. See the Cliosport forums.
3. Also common. A little grumbly on a very cold morning but slick as you like once it begins to warm through.
Technomatt said:
With the Clio 197/200 gearbox, a very high percentage have failed, so don't take the example of someone that has a working box as representative.
You seem to have an axe to grind here. Please could you quantify "very high" and add the facts and data to back the statement up. ferrisbueller said:
Technomatt said:
With the Clio 197/200 gearbox, a very high percentage have failed, so don't take the example of someone that has a working box as representative.
You seem to have an axe to grind here. Please could you quantify "very high" and add the facts and data to back the statement up. Exact numbers will be with Renault and they won't reveal that data as it’s embarrassing.
Typically, about 1 in 5-10 have gearbox problems ie in the 10% to 25% range. Very significant.
Technomatt said:
ferrisbueller said:
Technomatt said:
With the Clio 197/200 gearbox, a very high percentage have failed, so don't take the example of someone that has a working box as representative.
You seem to have an axe to grind here. Please could you quantify "very high" and add the facts and data to back the statement up. Exact numbers will be with Renault and they won't reveal that data as it’s embarrassing.
Typically, about 1 in 5-10 have gearbox problems ie in the 10% to 25% range. Very significant.
ferrisbueller said:
Technomatt said:
ferrisbueller said:
Technomatt said:
With the Clio 197/200 gearbox, a very high percentage have failed, so don't take the example of someone that has a working box as representative.
You seem to have an axe to grind here. Please could you quantify "very high" and add the facts and data to back the statement up. Exact numbers will be with Renault and they won't reveal that data as it’s embarrassing.
Typically, about 1 in 5-10 have gearbox problems ie in the 10% to 25% range. Very significant.
Facts will only come from Renault.
It looks like you don't believe there is actually an issue with gearboxes when this is one of the most extensive and well documented of owners problems.
I was well aware of the things people posted on the internet prior to the purchase of my own car. And guess what? I've had no issues.
As you said, the only people who have the facts and data are in Renault. Anything else is speculation and/or incomplete data. And this has very little to do with the OP's question, which is where I came in with the axe to grind assumption given the nature of your contributions.
As you said, the only people who have the facts and data are in Renault. Anything else is speculation and/or incomplete data. And this has very little to do with the OP's question, which is where I came in with the axe to grind assumption given the nature of your contributions.
ferrisbueller said:
I was well aware of the things people posted on the internet prior to the purchase of my own car. And guess what? I've had no issues.
As you said, the only people who have the facts and data are in Renault. Anything else is speculation and/or incomplete data. And this has very little to do with the OP's question, which is where I came in with the axe to grind assumption given the nature of your contributions.
The OP had a gearbox issue, so entirely relevant chap. Many of the failures start with synchro issues, hot or cold. As you said, the only people who have the facts and data are in Renault. Anything else is speculation and/or incomplete data. And this has very little to do with the OP's question, which is where I came in with the axe to grind assumption given the nature of your contributions.
Regarding speculation, I sense you want to ignore the problem the extensive number of owners have experienced.
Here is a snapshot of 264 owners and 23% have replacement gearboxes. No speculation or incomplete data:
ferrisbueller said:
He has a gearbox which is sticky when cold. Something I've had in, IIRC, every car I've ever owned from a variety of different makes.
How many 197/200 variants have been sold?
Did you have one/have you got one and did you have or have you got a problem?
Many of the failures start with synchro or selection issues. How many 197/200 variants have been sold?
Did you have one/have you got one and did you have or have you got a problem?
You seem to have lots of questions, but no comment on the extensive numbers of failures.
The OP may be OK in the future, he may not. The stats show the potential extent of the problem, so it's worth being aware of the issue and I covered this, particularly from the warranty angle. Many owners have been hit with huge bills out of warranty.
A head in the sand attitude is equally unhelpful.
You seem to think a cold gearbox's reluctance to be rushed automatically equals shot synchros/failed 'box, when every car I've had and many others I've driven exhibit the same trait.
I'm not saying that people haven't had issues. I am saying your data is a subset of a population which you are extrapolating over its entirety without any further data points, something of an invalid approach.
I am asking you questions to try and understand whether you would have reason to represent the data one way or another. The manner of your posts suggests you do.
My head is very much not in the sand. However, I am equally not going to read everything on the internet as chapter and verse on any specific issue. If people did, no-one would ever buy any car. The best one can do is to be as well informed as possible and do the due diligence.
I'm not saying that people haven't had issues. I am saying your data is a subset of a population which you are extrapolating over its entirety without any further data points, something of an invalid approach.
I am asking you questions to try and understand whether you would have reason to represent the data one way or another. The manner of your posts suggests you do.
My head is very much not in the sand. However, I am equally not going to read everything on the internet as chapter and verse on any specific issue. If people did, no-one would ever buy any car. The best one can do is to be as well informed as possible and do the due diligence.
ferrisbueller said:
You seem to think a cold gearbox's reluctance to be rushed automatically equals shot synchros/failed 'box, when every car I've had and many others I've driven exhibit the same trait.
I'm not saying that people haven't had issues. I am saying your data is a subset of a population which you are extrapolating over its entirety without any further data points, something of an invalid approach.
I am asking you questions to try and understand whether you would have reason to represent the data one way or another. The manner of your posts suggests you do.
My head is very much not in the sand. However, I am equally not going to read everything on the internet as chapter and verse on any specific issue. If people did, no-one would ever buy any car. The best one can do is to be as well informed as possible and do the due diligence.
Chap, I’ve been through why I posted and why it's extremely relevant and now backed up with data.I'm not saying that people haven't had issues. I am saying your data is a subset of a population which you are extrapolating over its entirety without any further data points, something of an invalid approach.
I am asking you questions to try and understand whether you would have reason to represent the data one way or another. The manner of your posts suggests you do.
My head is very much not in the sand. However, I am equally not going to read everything on the internet as chapter and verse on any specific issue. If people did, no-one would ever buy any car. The best one can do is to be as well informed as possible and do the due diligence.
If you want to try to play it all down with a few statistical phrases like 'subset data' and 'invalid approach' and 'extrapolating', you carry on. I am aware of what you are tying to achieve with your posts
The well informed and due diligence for the OP is actually better served with an understanding the extent of the gearbox issues and being aware of potential future problems.
I'm not trying to play anything down. I said above that there are people who have had issues, but that the issue doesn't affect all cars and the numbers are hard to ascertain. I've also said your leaping to a conclusion that the shift quality when cold equals that issue isn't well founded. I've also asked what your agenda is here......as you certainly appear to have one.
Apologies if you find my reasoned approach and refusal to crumble in the face of your opinions disagreeable.
Apologies if you find my reasoned approach and refusal to crumble in the face of your opinions disagreeable.
Technomatt said:
Here is a snapshot of 264 owners and 23% have replacement gearboxes. No speculation or incomplete data:
Hardly proof positive is it? An internet poll snapshot of 264 owners....Whilst I am aware that gearboxes are a known issue on the 197/200`s 1 in 5 does sound high.
As said, they almost all suffer from poor gearchange from cold, I wonder how many of the above 23% were replaced for that?
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