Clio 200 questions

[Technomatt]

ant leigh said:

Technomatt said:

Nope, just using the same forum for the total base sample. Big difference. Better quality data set.

There must be a Renault forum somewhere you can find that has no mention of gearbox failures, then you can claim there are 0% failures over the total life of the 197/200.

The problem with your 'statistics' is that it assumes members of a forum are a representative set of Clio owners and those that elect to complete a voluntary survey are a representative set of those forum members.
Not a good quality data set at all.

I would like to know what your agenda is?
You clearly have one and you keep dodging the question.

A credible statistician would never use the results from a small poll sample and then try to skew the average by applying it to a much larger and unrepresentative total sample set. Zero credibility.

[ant leigh]

Technomatt said:

A credible statistician would never use the results from a small poll sample an unrepresentative sample and then try to skew the average by applying it to a much larger and unrepresentative total sample set.

Fixed that for you, but please don't do it again. Zero marks.

PS I notice you are dodging the question again.

[Technomatt]

Butter Face said:

fk me Matt you are a boring bugger. Talk about a stuck record.


I bet you're great fun at dinner parties

Taking the mick out of the car salesmen's profession always livens it up.

[ant leigh]

Technomatt said:

Taking the mick out of the car salesmen's profession always livens it up.

Does that mean your problem is with a Renault car salesman not just Renault cars?
Are you trying to give us all a few clues?

[Technomatt]

ant leigh said:

Technomatt said:

A credible statistician would never use the results from a small poll sample an unrepresentative sample and then try to skew the average by applying it to a much larger and unrepresentative total sample set.

Fixed that for you, but please don't do it again. Zero marks.

PS I notice you are dodging the question again.

Nice one, you just altered it to said exactly the same thing as me. Glad we agree.

Gearbox failure results from a small sample set but then applied to a much larger unrepresentative data set is statistical nonsense.

[Red 4]

Wow, is this gearbox argument still going ?

In summary then - some gearboxes eat themselves - some gearboxes don't.

Is it a known fault ? Yes. Renault make a big contribution should you suffer a failure.

Is there a gearbox modification on later cars ? - nobody knows for sure.

Does Matt have nothing better to do than wind up owners ? That's about the only certainty on this thread.

Does Matt have a pathological hatred for Renault, and in particular the rs200 'box issues ? Answers on a postcard please ............

Edited by Red 4 on Friday 31st May 11:11

[ant leigh]

Technomatt said:

Nice one, you just altered it to said exactly the same thing as me. Glad we agree.

No I didn't.

'small poll' is not the same as 'unrepresentative sample'
You do understand the difference?

[Technomatt]

ant leigh said:

Technomatt said:

Nice one, you just altered it to said exactly the same thing as me. Glad we agree.

No I didn't.

'small poll' is not the same as 'unrepresentative sample'
You do understand the difference?

I'm afraid it is in this case.

The small (failure rate) poll from Clio197.net is unrepresentative as it does not cover the total ownership data set.

[Technomatt]

The current Clio197.net poll:

[ant leigh]

Technomatt said:

ant leigh said:

Technomatt said:

Nice one, you just altered it to said exactly the same thing as me. Glad we agree.

No I didn't.

'small poll' is not the same as 'unrepresentative sample'
You do understand the difference?

I'm afraid it is in this case.

The small (failure rate) poll from Clio197.net is unrepresentative as it does not cover the total ownership data set.

A sample of 264 owners is not statistically small.
The problem with this poll is not that it is small, it is unrepresentative. It is derived from the observations of people who have chosen to respond, from a sample who have chosen to be members of a forum.

As people often join forums to gain advice on problems they have and people are 3-5 times more likely to complain about a problem than state they don't have one extrapolating these statistics positively or negatively to the population is not valid.

[Technomatt]

ant leigh said:

Technomatt said:

ant leigh said:

Technomatt said:

Nice one, you just altered it to said exactly the same thing as me. Glad we agree.

No I didn't.

'small poll' is not the same as 'unrepresentative sample'
You do understand the difference?

I'm afraid it is in this case.

The small (failure rate) poll from Clio197.net is unrepresentative as it does not cover the total ownership data set.

A sample of 264 owners is not statistically small.
The problem with this poll is not that it is small, it is unrepresentative. It is derived from the observations of people who have chosen to respond, from a sample who have chosen to be members of a forum.

As people often join forums to gain advice on problems they have and people are 3-5 times more likely to complain about a problem than state they don't have one extrapolating these statistics positively or negatively to the population is not valid.

We can debate the results of the Clio197.net poll and data set based on it's own merits.

What you can't do is take those 71 failures and then apply it to the approx 6000 total Clio197/200 vehicles ever built to pump out a meaningless percentage. That is just a statistical joke.

[RacingBlue]

I see the OP has long since abandoned this thread. I can see why - it's getting more tedious by the minute.

[Technomatt]

RacingBlue said:

I see the OP has long since abandoned this thread. I can see why - it's getting more tedious by the minute.

Your contribution is not mandatory.......

[Butter Face]

Technomatt said:

Butter Face said:

fk me Matt you are a boring bugger. Talk about a stuck record.


I bet you're great fun at dinner parties

Taking the mick out of the car salesmen's profession always livens it up.

Nothing to do with my profession, you're talking about a specific fault on a specific car that isn't made anymore.

Pretty sure that most will agree with me that nobody gives a monkeys about your patter anyway Matt

[RacingBlue]

Technomatt said:

Your contribution is not mandatory.......

Oh I think it is, as you haven't answered a single question I've asked you so far. You'd make a great politician.

[Technomatt]

RacingBlue said:

Technomatt said:

Your contribution is not mandatory.......

Oh I think it is, as you haven't answered a single question I've asked you so far. You'd make a great politician.

Everyone benefits by just keeping it on topic.

[kayzee]

For you, Matt

[GrumpyTwig]

Technomatt said:

GrumpyTwig said:

Technomatt said:

No guessing from me. I deal with the facts, until proven otherwise.

As has been pointed out numerous times - with evidence - no gearbox mod.

• No feeding the trolls* .... well here goes anyway.

And yet you ignore facts to the contrary, I'll say it again. We know how many cars were produced and sold in the UK, the ONLY source (that you have used yourself) for failure rates is from a forum poll and putting these together makes:

A 1.1% failure rate

Please present some facts to counter this rather than just resorting to insults as previous. Either the poll is unreliable and statistically meaningless and so your whole argument is based merely on a few posts by owners with failures or the problem is not really that big.

Edited by GrumpyTwig on Thursday 30th May 22:35

Your invalid statistics have already been exposed.

You can’t take a limited sample of gearbox failures from a small group of owners on a forum and then apply it to the Total UK sales of Clio 197/200.

Any credibility is undermined if you think every gearbox failure since day one of the Clio197/200 build are on the Clio197.net forum.

So basically you're admitting the poll is not representative of all owners of the car and so is not a reliable or valid source. Thanks.

Odd how you continue to use it though.

[Technomatt]

GrumpyTwig said:

So basically you're admitting the poll is not representative of all owners of the car and so is not a reliable or valid source. Thanks.

Odd how you continue to use it though.

Nope, just stating your numbers are complete tosh.

[roystinho]

Technomatt said:

RacingBlue said:

Technomatt said:

Your contribution is not mandatory.......

Oh I think it is, as you haven't answered a single question I've asked you so far. You'd make a great politician.

Everyone benefits by just keeping it on topic.

Stating your gripe with this issue is very much on topic though...