Clio 200 questions
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Geneve said:
I have a 2010 RS200 in which I've done 27k mls. Lovely gearbox, no issues, (extended warranty). EVO recently highlighted it as one of the Top 10 manual gearboxes.
I'm assuming failures are actually fairly rare, but out of interest, how does it manifest itself.
EVO also cover the failed gearbox issues here:I'm assuming failures are actually fairly rare, but out of interest, how does it manifest itself.
http://www.evo.co.uk/buying/buyingguide/287602/ren...
Significant enough to warrant a serious mention.
One of the Top Ten gearboxes? Agreed, if based on failure rates
Technomatt said:
Geneve said:
I have a 2010 RS200 in which I've done 27k mls. Lovely gearbox, no issues, (extended warranty). EVO recently highlighted it as one of the Top 10 manual gearboxes.
I'm assuming failures are actually fairly rare, but out of interest, how does it manifest itself.
EVO also cover the failed gearbox issues here:I'm assuming failures are actually fairly rare, but out of interest, how does it manifest itself.
http://www.evo.co.uk/buying/buyingguide/287602/ren...
Significant enough to warrant a serious mention.
One of the Top Ten gearboxes? Agreed, if based on failure rates
Not that EVO did a great job on the magazine version of that article either as it mentioned mcpherson struts which was laughable, don't believe everything you read.....
GrumpyTwig said:
It's only mentioned in the article because the information for it was partially sourced from the buyers guide on clio197.net along with information directly from owners who happen to have had theirs replaced.
Not that EVO did a great job on the magazine version of that article either as it mentioned mcpherson struts which was laughable, don't believe everything you read.....
EVO had it spot on regarding Clio gearboxes failing. When about 1 in 4 out of 267 owners have had replacement gearboxes (including you ...) you know its significant, relevant and very worthy of comment.Not that EVO did a great job on the magazine version of that article either as it mentioned mcpherson struts which was laughable, don't believe everything you read.....
When challenged by owners, Renault will even eventually cough up and pay a significant contribution for repairs to cars out of warranty.
Technomatt said:
GrumpyTwig said:
It's only mentioned in the article because the information for it was partially sourced from the buyers guide on clio197.net along with information directly from owners who happen to have had theirs replaced.
Not that EVO did a great job on the magazine version of that article either as it mentioned mcpherson struts which was laughable, don't believe everything you read.....
EVO had it spot on regarding Clio gearboxes failing. When about 1 in 4 out of 267 owners have had replacement gearboxes (including you ...) you know its significant, relevant and very worthy of comment.Not that EVO did a great job on the magazine version of that article either as it mentioned mcpherson struts which was laughable, don't believe everything you read.....
When challenged by owners, Renault will even eventually cough up and pay a significant contribution for repairs to cars out of warranty.
Renault already do stump up large contributions out of warranty.
Given your desire for 'positive' proof regarding changes to the gearbox you do seem very eager to make your own facts up too....
GrumpyTwig said:
Technomatt said:
GrumpyTwig said:
It's only mentioned in the article because the information for it was partially sourced from the buyers guide on clio197.net along with information directly from owners who happen to have had theirs replaced.
Not that EVO did a great job on the magazine version of that article either as it mentioned mcpherson struts which was laughable, don't believe everything you read.....
EVO had it spot on regarding Clio gearboxes failing. When about 1 in 4 out of 267 owners have had replacement gearboxes (including you ...) you know its significant, relevant and very worthy of comment.Not that EVO did a great job on the magazine version of that article either as it mentioned mcpherson struts which was laughable, don't believe everything you read.....
When challenged by owners, Renault will even eventually cough up and pay a significant contribution for repairs to cars out of warranty.
Renault already do stump up large contributions out of warranty.
Given your desire for 'positive' proof regarding changes to the gearbox you do seem very eager to make your own facts up too....
To gain any measure of credibility you need to up your game and shift from just criticising my comments (or EVO's) to providing something more factual and substantive on gearboxes as a counter argument, as that seems to be your underlying stance on the subject.
Technomatt said:
So to summarise your comments above, EVO had it correct with the gearbox issues, you also agree with my new inputs regarding Renault paying up out of warranty (a sort of culpable stance from Renault) and what is now a predictable theme, you still have provided nothing to counter the existing strong evidence on gearbox failure rates and modifications.
To gain any measure of credibility you need to up your game and shift from just criticising my comments (or EVO's) to providing something more factual and substantive on gearboxes as a counter argument, as that seems to be your underlying stance on the subject.
It appears you were suggesting they weren't coughing up any contribution, your poor phrasing again.To gain any measure of credibility you need to up your game and shift from just criticising my comments (or EVO's) to providing something more factual and substantive on gearboxes as a counter argument, as that seems to be your underlying stance on the subject.
I don't feel the need to prove anything related to the gearbox to you, I've never suggested there isn't an issue. Please point me in the direction any comments that would suggest I think there isn't, I'm pretty sure I've only suggested that the gearbox may have been updated?
Looking at what I wrote I wasn't criticising EVO, just the author as it was a lazy and poorly put together job that in terms of the magazine article specifically just served up mis-information regarding suspension. I presume you think that's ok though?
As for criticising you I refer back to my earlier comment of not caring what you think. I'm just here to keep you going... it's amusing.
GrumpyTwig said:
It appears you were suggesting they weren't coughing up any contribution, your poor phrasing again.
I don't feel the need to prove anything related to the gearbox to you, I've never suggested there isn't an issue. Please point me in the direction any comments that would suggest I think there isn't, I'm pretty sure I've only suggested that the gearbox may have been updated?
Looking at what I wrote I wasn't criticising EVO, just the author as it was a lazy and poorly put together job that in terms of the magazine article specifically just served up mis-information regarding suspension. I presume you think that's ok though?
As for criticising you I refer back to my earlier comment of not caring what you think. I'm just here to keep you going... it's amusing.
Renault will not cough up a decent contribution out of warranty without a bit of fight. Hence the original comment. Maybe the English was a tad complex with the use of the word ‘eventually’ in the original sentence. I don't feel the need to prove anything related to the gearbox to you, I've never suggested there isn't an issue. Please point me in the direction any comments that would suggest I think there isn't, I'm pretty sure I've only suggested that the gearbox may have been updated?
Looking at what I wrote I wasn't criticising EVO, just the author as it was a lazy and poorly put together job that in terms of the magazine article specifically just served up mis-information regarding suspension. I presume you think that's ok though?
As for criticising you I refer back to my earlier comment of not caring what you think. I'm just here to keep you going... it's amusing.
It’s really obvious from your recent comments that you are knarked. With you being a current owner, having the gearbox issue aired with decent factual input and nothing to back up your modification claims has been part of it, but my subtle and gentle on-topic jibing has obviously been really effective.
Technomatt said:
It’s really obvious from your recent comments that you are knarked. With you being a current owner, having the gearbox issue aired with decent factual input and nothing to back up your modification claims has been part of it, but my subtle and gentle on-topic jibing has obviously been really effective.
Nope my gearbox is fine, it was replaced for free under warranty. Perhaps this is where your bitterness towards the brand comes from, you were stung out of warranty....You're nothing more than a broken record it appears and as subtle as a brick.
GrumpyTwig said:
Nope my gearbox is fine, it was replaced for free under warranty. Perhaps this is where your bitterness towards the brand comes from, you were stung out of warranty....
You're nothing more than a broken record it appears and as subtle as a brick.
My comment 'having the gearbox issue aired with decent factual input’ refers to this general thread gearbox topic, not your individual gearbox. You do seem to be very sensitive.You're nothing more than a broken record it appears and as subtle as a brick.
Also, I will defend my inputs and views particularly when they are factually supported.
Maybe you would feel more at ease on a Renault specific type owner’s forum that champions the brand. This forum has a more democratic and wide ranging set of acceptable views and inputs.
simoid said:
Are you on all of the other marque specific forums pointing out perceived failures?
Did you know that Ford US knew it's cars were killing people, but the accountants decided it was cheaper to pay for the deaths than fix the problem?
Imagine going over to the Toyota section... Or go hang out in the mazda wankel sectionDid you know that Ford US knew it's cars were killing people, but the accountants decided it was cheaper to pay for the deaths than fix the problem?
But no, check out the posting history and garage. Owns an AMG merc but only posts about Renaults - majority of them in a negative way. I just don't get it at all. If there was a particular car/manufacturer I had 'beef' with I'd just stay clear and not worry myself.
Oh and no news yet - still
simoid said:
Butter Face said:
If it helps, I've sold about 30 Clio 197/200's and haven't had a single one face a gearbox fault.
0% failure rate.
That doesn't help at all.0% failure rate.
Tiny sample rate.
30? No, rubbish sample.
You need much more than that, perhaps about 200 odd to be reliable
I’m trying to remember what the great lesson is when dealing with car salesmen.
Virtually every forum will have its 'doom & gloom' merchants.
You'd certainly never buy a used Porsche if you believed some of the hype about engine failures.
My RS200 and its gearbox are lovely, and I don't know anyone who's had a problem, I have a warranty if anything goes wrong and insurance if it gets damaged - I sleep easy
You'd certainly never buy a used Porsche if you believed some of the hype about engine failures.
My RS200 and its gearbox are lovely, and I don't know anyone who's had a problem, I have a warranty if anything goes wrong and insurance if it gets damaged - I sleep easy
GrumpyTwig said:
Technomatt said:
Maybe you would feel more at ease on a Renault specific type owner’s forum that champions the brand. This forum has a more democratic and wide ranging set of acceptable views and inputs.
Like the one you were banned from?simoid said:
Do you concede that it's possible that Renault modified the gearbox to improve reliability, but kept it a secret to preserve the shockingreputation of the original 'box?
I'd suggest no. Rather that maybe they kept it quiet because that would mean admitting that there was an inherent design flaw in the original 'box and that if they admit that they'd open themselves or the dealers up to claims (maybe under SoGA) for years to come.
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