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M@1975

591 posts

227 months

Thursday 22nd March 2012
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Non RFTs are the way forward, RFTs are noisy, crashy and make the ride feel nervous. Esp if you are on coilovers like me.. Cannot wait for my new wheels to turn up!

Onedesi

91 posts

146 months

Friday 23rd March 2012
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I went to get some part worn tyres today but it turns out they were damage repaired so call me old fashioned but I walked away.

It's not all bad though as we had a great day driving the 150 mile round trip and the roof was open and weather was great smile

Trouble now is I'm over to buying new tyres and I'm not sure spending £600 on a set of top brands is something I can afford right now.

Is there a common consensus on the best well priced tyre for the mini cooper s?

Falken 452's normally get a good right up but either they are being phased out or just don't come in 205/45/17 size so it will have to be the the 912"s.

I see accelera are very cheap but I found them quite skittish on an old 323 I had that came with them on and I'm tempted by Avon zz3's.

Nothing is simple LOL

CO2000

3,177 posts

209 months

Saturday 24th March 2012
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Stedman said:
I have no mini experience, but going from 205/45 to 215/45s had no real disadvantages. Car had more lateral grip and was more comfortable. Maybe he needs to do that but keep to stiffer side walled tyres to keep decent turn in. The stiffer walled 215s would surely be a good compromise?
After hrs of reading up/pondering I think I'm going to go for these on that subject

http://www.camskill.co.uk/m54b758s103p14918/VREDES...

Onedesi you should look into these also

Onedesi

91 posts

146 months

Saturday 24th March 2012
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CO2000 said:
After hrs of reading up/pondering I think I'm going to go for these on that subject

http://www.camskill.co.uk/m54b758s103p14918/VREDES...

Onedesi you should look into these also
I'd like to buy those but they don't come in a 205 45 17 and after a bit more reading I don't want to make th steering any heavier as the car is predominantly my wife's and she does find it heavy although wont admit it LOL

I can't for the life of me understand why a 205 45 17 is so hard to buy - is it only used on mini's?

CO2000

3,177 posts

209 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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Onedesi said:
I'd like to buy those but they don't come in a 205 45 17 and after a bit more reading I don't want to make th steering any heavier as the car is predominantly my wife's and she does find it heavy although wont admit it LOL

I can't for the life of me understand why a 205 45 17 is so hard to buy - is it only used on mini's?
It should actually help the steering effort going by this I read,

"Next I ditched the horrible runflat tyres and heavy standard wheels and replaced them with a much lighter set of Team Dynamics 1.2s with Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta tyres. Wow!, what a difference, the crashiness and tramlining has gone although and it also feel like I've got super light power steering (not totally convinced that I like that though)"

From here
http://www.minitorque.com/forum/f273/my-dark-silve...
I'm actually worried the steering may be too light as I like the feel with the runflats just not the crashing over bumps/into holes etc.

Edited by CO2000 on Sunday 25th March 11:09

s m

23,223 posts

203 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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JD said:
I wouldn't be surprised if part of the problem is the original wheels, if you have ever taken them off, you will see they seem to weigh as much as a small moon!

I'd like to test mine on some light wheels withot run flats, I'm betting the improvement would be massive, but I think I'll just sell the car instead!
Similar findings Runflats?

Onedesi

91 posts

146 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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This is getting really confusing ???

If you go with a wider tyre I don't understand why the steering doesn't get heavier.

Unfortunately changing the alloy isn't an option.

turbolucie

3,473 posts

182 months

Sunday 8th April 2012
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I originally had 205/45/17 Runflats but for the past 18 months have had 175/65/15. I got used to the 15'' wheels...the ride felt harsh even then. This week I put 205/45/17 non-runflats on...st. Looks nicer but bone shaking.

CO2000

3,177 posts

209 months

Monday 9th April 2012
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CO2000 said:
Stedman said:
I have no mini experience, but going from 205/45 to 215/45s had no real disadvantages. Car had more lateral grip and was more comfortable. Maybe he needs to do that but keep to stiffer side walled tyres to keep decent turn in. The stiffer walled 215s would surely be a good compromise?
After hrs of reading up/pondering I think I'm going to go for these on that subject

http://www.camskill.co.uk/m54b758s103p14918/VREDES...

Onedesi you should look into these also
Well I have ordered a set of 4 of these so will know later on this week how they are, got a great deal of £380 supplied & fitted locally too.

Onedesi

91 posts

146 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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CO2000 said:
Well I have ordered a set of 4 of these so will know later on this week how they are, got a great deal of £380 supplied & fitted locally too.
Excellent yoUve beat me to it smile

I had a wasted journey a few weeks ago and not had a chance to revisit this change frown

Would you mind posting back what you find?

CO2000

3,177 posts

209 months

Tuesday 10th April 2012
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Onedesi said:
CO2000 said:
Well I have ordered a set of 4 of these so will know later on this week how they are, got a great deal of £380 supplied & fitted locally too.
Excellent yoUve beat me to it smile

I had a wasted journey a few weeks ago and not had a chance to revisit this change frown

Would you mind posting back what you find?
Will do

Onedesi

91 posts

146 months

Saturday 14th April 2012
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CO2000 said:
Will do
Sorry to mither but how did you get on?

I've had a pleasant spanner thrown in the works today smile

I drove an r56 cooper s on 16 non run flats and comfort wise it was a revelation - a much more grown up car with the ability to put oodles of smiles on yer face wink

This has got me thinking that perhaps 16" non run flats on the r53 is the way to go - actually I'm pretty sure it is as I'm less worried about the looks.

Alternatively we could look at getting an r56 but the whine of the supercharger was a big plus point for me when I drove ours back to back.

Decisions, decisions ... LOL

CO2000

3,177 posts

209 months

Saturday 14th April 2012
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Onedesi said:
CO2000 said:
Will do
Sorry to mither but how did you get on?

I've had a pleasant spanner thrown in the works today smile

I drove an r56 cooper s on 16 non run flats and comfort wise it was a revelation - a much more grown up car with the ability to put oodles of smiles on yer face wink

This has got me thinking that perhaps 16" non run flats on the r53 is the way to go - actually I'm pretty sure it is as I'm less worried about the looks.

Alternatively we could look at getting an r56 but the whine of the supercharger was a big plus point for me when I drove ours back to back.

Decisions, decisions ... LOL
Well I actually started an update a few hrs ago but it crashed so here goes again...

I picked it up today & they look really great on it with the funky tread pattern. Slighty wider stance with nice rim protection (oooer) & not too low profile at all being 40 series. The steering is indeed lighter but not too light (I'd say now normal if it was heavy before with the runflats but not light as some cars are) The ride quality is much improved as my street is pretty bad. I don't know about grip as it will be a week or 2 for them to wear in but I noticed the wear rating is 280 so they should be pretty sticky.
The only issue is the Garage has chipped all 4 wheels so into battle I go to sort that out next week.

CO2000

3,177 posts

209 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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CO2000 said:
Onedesi said:
CO2000 said:
Will do
Sorry to mither but how did you get on?

I've had a pleasant spanner thrown in the works today smile

I drove an r56 cooper s on 16 non run flats and comfort wise it was a revelation - a much more grown up car with the ability to put oodles of smiles on yer face wink

This has got me thinking that perhaps 16" non run flats on the r53 is the way to go - actually I'm pretty sure it is as I'm less worried about the looks.

Alternatively we could look at getting an r56 but the whine of the supercharger was a big plus point for me when I drove ours back to back.

Decisions, decisions ... LOL
Well I actually started an update a few hrs ago but it crashed so here goes again...

I picked it up today & they look really great on it with the funky tread pattern. Slighty wider stance with nice rim protection (oooer) & not too low profile at all being 40 series. The steering is indeed lighter but not too light (I'd say now normal if it was heavy before with the runflats but not light as some cars are) The ride quality is much improved as my street is pretty bad. I don't know about grip as it will be a week or 2 for them to wear in but I noticed the wear rating is 280 so they should be pretty sticky.
The only issue is the Garage has chipped all 4 wheels so into battle I go to sort that out next week.
Sorry to continue the treadjack (sort of) but they are so much better in the wet too, the wheel spin with anything but a gentle get away on the runflats has gone.

Onedesi

91 posts

146 months

Wednesday 18th April 2012
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Your not thread jacking at all - I for one really appreciate your comments as it will help finalise a decision soonish.

I'm intrigued by your comment on lighter steering - can you explain that a little more or maybe quantify it on a scale of 1 to 10 before and after the change.

Yours is the r53 type?

MX-5 Lazza

7,952 posts

219 months

Thursday 19th April 2012
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I'm watching with interest too. I'll be replacing the tyres on my R50 and my Mrs R53 soon and am interested in tyre choice suggestions.

s m

23,223 posts

203 months

Thursday 19th April 2012
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MX-5 Lazza said:
I'm watching with interest too. I'll be replacing the tyres on my R50 and my Mrs R53 soon and am interested in tyre choice suggestions.
What size wheels and tyres you got on each?

MX-5 Lazza

7,952 posts

219 months

Thursday 19th April 2012
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My R50 (53 Cooper - no TC) has 16s and my Mrs R53 (I think it's an R53 - 08 Cooper S Conv with ASC) has 17s smile
I'll probably go for 195/55/16 Toyo T1R on mine (same as I have on my MX5) but I'd prefer something that works better in winter on my Mrs car.

Edited by MX-5 Lazza on Thursday 19th April 10:24

s m

23,223 posts

203 months

Thursday 19th April 2012
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MX-5 Lazza said:
My R50 (53 Cooper - no TC) has 16s and my Mrs R53 (I think it's an R53 - 08 Cooper S Conv with ASC) has 17s smile
I'll probably go for 195/55/16 Toyo T1R on mine (same as I have on my MX5) but I'd prefer something that works better in winter on my Mrs car.

Edited by MX-5 Lazza on Thursday 19th April 10:24
Ah, T1R, same as the car in that Autocar article

MX-5 Lazza

7,952 posts

219 months

Thursday 19th April 2012
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s m said:
Ah, T1R, same as the car in that Autocar article
Autocar article?