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Dear all
The better half wants a new car. Just qualified as a solicitor, and i will be honest, deserves it.
She has been terrorising the streets for the past 2 years in my old mapped mk4 Golf GTI T. She has come a custom to 180hp and 220lbft, and unleashes it on a regular basis. She does not however like the 32mpg average. Her trip to work is 10 miles of open motorway, then 10 miles congested dual carriageway and A roads.
So, she has 8k to put into a mini. This will get either a r56 cooper, cooper D, or cooper S @ 5 years old with 50k; for me this is a maximum.
She wants something a little sporty, but also economical. I would love the Cooper S, and I understand the tensioner and coke issues, but it will be a hoot! My sister has a R53 S and its the only thing that's ever come close to my mk1 Golf GTI.
Then we have the Cooper D. I have read excellent things about economy, and I assume a similar chassis to the S? But what about DPF issues for her driving conditions?
So does that leave us with the cooper? Best of both worlds?
So if you can, can you please give me your real world MPG figures for all models.
The better half wants a new car. Just qualified as a solicitor, and i will be honest, deserves it.
She has been terrorising the streets for the past 2 years in my old mapped mk4 Golf GTI T. She has come a custom to 180hp and 220lbft, and unleashes it on a regular basis. She does not however like the 32mpg average. Her trip to work is 10 miles of open motorway, then 10 miles congested dual carriageway and A roads.
So, she has 8k to put into a mini. This will get either a r56 cooper, cooper D, or cooper S @ 5 years old with 50k; for me this is a maximum.
She wants something a little sporty, but also economical. I would love the Cooper S, and I understand the tensioner and coke issues, but it will be a hoot! My sister has a R53 S and its the only thing that's ever come close to my mk1 Golf GTI.
Then we have the Cooper D. I have read excellent things about economy, and I assume a similar chassis to the S? But what about DPF issues for her driving conditions?
So does that leave us with the cooper? Best of both worlds?
So if you can, can you please give me your real world MPG figures for all models.
We've got an early N18 Cooper S auto. 5 1/2 years old and 54k.
I take it to work twice a week, an 80 mile round trip, 90% on the motorway. It averages a measured 40mpg between fill ups, and high 40s on the OBC in commuter traffic.
The tensioner issue has been fixed with the N18, although someone on here the other said they had an issue with theirs. Ours uses next to no oil, as opposed to the N14 which, according to the Internet uses plenty.
The only problem we've had in the 2 1/2 years we've owned it is the High Pressue Fuel Pump failing.
Also, just swapped the Bridgestone Runflats for MPS3s.
I take it to work twice a week, an 80 mile round trip, 90% on the motorway. It averages a measured 40mpg between fill ups, and high 40s on the OBC in commuter traffic.
The tensioner issue has been fixed with the N18, although someone on here the other said they had an issue with theirs. Ours uses next to no oil, as opposed to the N14 which, according to the Internet uses plenty.
The only problem we've had in the 2 1/2 years we've owned it is the High Pressue Fuel Pump failing.
Also, just swapped the Bridgestone Runflats for MPS3s.
F56 JCW 3dr Manual - 2016, only a couple of weeks old.....
240 mile round trip on M5 - M6 to Manchester, including loads of stop/start through Cheshire and a bit of local stuff town stuff both ends, cruise control at 65-70mph and light foot - 48mpg. Yeah, not bad for a 230bhp twin scroll turbo petrol...
Daily commute - drop kids off, 4 miles around town, 16 miles on M5, 16 miles back, keeping it 65mph-ish in the medium traffic, again, light foot seem to be around 42mpg. Add a 20 mile blast in the weekend, drops to around 38mpg across the week.
Would drop considerably more if I drove it everywhere like it should be driven..... Thats on a diet of Tesco super-u.
Engine has bags and bags of torque, so really easy to drive quick without revving the nuts off it, and likewise around town, tend to leave it in much higher gears than you'd have normally thought which probably helps the consumption too.
On an MPG front, very impressed so far.
240 mile round trip on M5 - M6 to Manchester, including loads of stop/start through Cheshire and a bit of local stuff town stuff both ends, cruise control at 65-70mph and light foot - 48mpg. Yeah, not bad for a 230bhp twin scroll turbo petrol...
Daily commute - drop kids off, 4 miles around town, 16 miles on M5, 16 miles back, keeping it 65mph-ish in the medium traffic, again, light foot seem to be around 42mpg. Add a 20 mile blast in the weekend, drops to around 38mpg across the week.
Would drop considerably more if I drove it everywhere like it should be driven..... Thats on a diet of Tesco super-u.
Engine has bags and bags of torque, so really easy to drive quick without revving the nuts off it, and likewise around town, tend to leave it in much higher gears than you'd have normally thought which probably helps the consumption too.
On an MPG front, very impressed so far.
I ran a manual 2013 Cooper SD for a year, which averaged a measured 53.96 MPG, which I think is quite impressive given that the performance is perfectly acceptable. That might be a good compromise, if you could stretch to it.
I now have a manual 2016 JCW which has averaged a measured 35.80 so far. Not quite as impressive, but it's a lot more fun, and twice as good as the cars before the minis (XKR, C63).
I now have a manual 2016 JCW which has averaged a measured 35.80 so far. Not quite as impressive, but it's a lot more fun, and twice as good as the cars before the minis (XKR, C63).
Edited by steve-p on Saturday 25th June 21:57
I have not owned a Diesal , but have had a 07 Cooper S, A Cooper Cab & now have a 63 Cooper ( 122bhp ) hatch .
The Cooper S was quick but had the usual Timing chain issues & it was starting to coke up , Driven gently on the Motorway I could average low 40 mpg . The same trip in the Cooper is near 50mpg.
I would advise go for the newest car which would be a Cooper as apposed to the S as it may prove to be a more reliable long term buy & on the motorway it is quick enough.
You will miss the torque of the Golf though . My Cooper needs to be worked hard in the lower gears to make decent progress & I do miss the performance of the Cooper S for quick overtakes.
I have had 17 ich , 16 inch & now have standard 15 inch wheels . It may not look as sporty with 15 inch wheels but ride & handling I prefer.
Good Luck.
The Cooper S was quick but had the usual Timing chain issues & it was starting to coke up , Driven gently on the Motorway I could average low 40 mpg . The same trip in the Cooper is near 50mpg.
I would advise go for the newest car which would be a Cooper as apposed to the S as it may prove to be a more reliable long term buy & on the motorway it is quick enough.
You will miss the torque of the Golf though . My Cooper needs to be worked hard in the lower gears to make decent progress & I do miss the performance of the Cooper S for quick overtakes.
I have had 17 ich , 16 inch & now have standard 15 inch wheels . It may not look as sporty with 15 inch wheels but ride & handling I prefer.
Good Luck.
Early days for me in the F56 Cooper S but my last fill up was 37mpg average and the one before 35 mpg.
My previous cars driving the same way and same journeys for comparison, 981 Cayman S 23 mpg, M135i 25 mpg, 987 Cayman R 23 mpg, R56 Cooper D 55 mpg (mainly motorways), 130i 27 mpg, Fabia vRS 42 mpg, E46 M3 24 mpg, E36 M3 Evo 25 mpg etc...
So far I'm pleased with the mpg on the MCS and and mentioned above I get around low 40's on a motorway run cruising around the legal limit.
My previous cars driving the same way and same journeys for comparison, 981 Cayman S 23 mpg, M135i 25 mpg, 987 Cayman R 23 mpg, R56 Cooper D 55 mpg (mainly motorways), 130i 27 mpg, Fabia vRS 42 mpg, E46 M3 24 mpg, E36 M3 Evo 25 mpg etc...
So far I'm pleased with the mpg on the MCS and and mentioned above I get around low 40's on a motorway run cruising around the legal limit.
I have a petrol R56 Cooper. Most of my mileage is motorway/dual carriageway at around 75-80 (when moving - lots of stop/start traffic on my usual routes). Over the last 30k miles the OBC tells me my avg speed is 46mph and consumption is 44.3mpg. I have done a few longer runs at 60-70mph due to traffic conditions and mpg generally improves by 10-20% based on how much I need to put in to refill the tank at the end of a journey.
steve-p said:
I would take what the OBC says with a pinch of salt, unless you have checked it's correct by comparing with measured values for a few tanks. Mine is 10% optimistic, and the worst car I've had was 20% too high (a BMW).
It is out not sure by how much. On off throttle a lot fools the obc I've Noticed.Well we pick up a lovely dark grey good spec late 10 plate N18 Cooper S next week.
A good family friend was selling, has 2 years left on the Mini service plan and the seller has done intermittent oil changes too. Going for a MOT tomorrow.
It has xenon lights,
pan roof, heated screen, and heated lounge leather interior. The only chip is unfortunately in the screen. But to counteract that, tyres have been replaced with non-run flats. We are both quite chuffed!
A good family friend was selling, has 2 years left on the Mini service plan and the seller has done intermittent oil changes too. Going for a MOT tomorrow.
It has xenon lights,
pan roof, heated screen, and heated lounge leather interior. The only chip is unfortunately in the screen. But to counteract that, tyres have been replaced with non-run flats. We are both quite chuffed!
Edited by paultownsend on Sunday 21st August 18:54
Edited by paultownsend on Sunday 21st August 20:36
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