Importing an mx5 from the UK

Importing an mx5 from the UK

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benz0

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339 posts

133 months

Thursday 21st March 2013
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Hi all,

I have a bit of a dilemma. I moved to Den Haag last year and left my lovely Mk1 Import 1.6 VSpec Eunos stored in a garage in the UK.

I'm thinking about bringing it to the Netherlands but there are several obstacles which are currently putting me off

First one, it's right hand drive. I've made a separate thread in the MX5 forum about this, but I don't know whether it will be safe driving it on the right given how poor the visibility is with the soft top and small mirrors. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

Secondly, import duty. I understand that if you want to import a car that you've owned for 6 months then you must do it when you move. Does anyone know if this is for certain? And if not, have any idea what the duty would be on a 22 year old 5?

Thirdly, roadworthiness. Can anyone advise on potential difficulties in getting the car certified as roadworthy here? The previous owner of the car had it de-catted. And whilst this is legal in the UK for such an old car, I have no idea if this would be OK here. As I am also thinking about putting a loud backbox on it, now would be a good time to get this confirmed. Whilst on this matter, does anyone have any other suggestions for potential problem areas that I might need to address?

Finally, storage. I believe my car has spent most of its life in a garage, and that is why it has no underbody rust, and touch wood, good sills and arches. Does anyone have any suggestions for where I might be able to rent a garage in Den Haag for a reasonable price. I think this might prove to be the hardest one. I don't think I can bring myself to park her in the street here, particularly as the bicycles in the street are forever getting knocked over onto people's cars. Ouch!


Apologies for the essay and thanks for your input in advance!

Ben

halfpenny43

1,018 posts

236 months

Thursday 21st March 2013
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benz0 said:
Hi all,

I have a bit of a dilemma. I moved to Den Haag last year and left my lovely Mk1 Import 1.6 VSpec Eunos stored in a garage in the UK.

I'm thinking about bringing it to the Netherlands but there are several obstacles which are currently putting me off

First one, it's right hand drive. I've made a separate thread in the MX5 forum about this, but I don't know whether it will be safe driving it on the right given how poor the visibility is with the soft top and small mirrors. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

Secondly, import duty. I understand that if you want to import a car that you've owned for 6 months then you must do it when you move. Does anyone know if this is for certain? And if not, have any idea what the duty would be on a 22 year old 5?

Thirdly, roadworthiness. Can anyone advise on potential difficulties in getting the car certified as roadworthy here? The previous owner of the car had it de-catted. And whilst this is legal in the UK for such an old car, I have no idea if this would be OK here. As I am also thinking about putting a loud backbox on it, now would be a good time to get this confirmed. Whilst on this matter, does anyone have any other suggestions for potential problem areas that I might need to address?

Finally, storage. I believe my car has spent most of its life in a garage, and that is why it has no underbody rust, and touch wood, good sills and arches. Does anyone have any suggestions for where I might be able to rent a garage in Den Haag for a reasonable price. I think this might prove to be the hardest one. I don't think I can bring myself to park her in the street here, particularly as the bicycles in the street are forever getting knocked over onto people's cars. Ouch!


Apologies for the essay and thanks for your input in advance!

Ben
Hi Ben

I imported a Lotus Elise from the UK that was RHD and when we first moved here my wife imported her Peugeot 206CC which was also a RHD. There are really no issues with driving a RHD in the Netherlands. The only real issue is parking barriers (get yourself a "cherry picker") and overtaking, but if you hang back lean and slowly pull out before the over take - you'll be fine. I drove 10,000 miles a year in the Elise for 3 years before selling it without incident (other than one or two speeding fines smile )

Import duty. Check the link in English from the Dutch Tax office;
http://www.belastingdienst.nl/wps/wcm/connect/bldc...
Basically yes you have to bring the car over as part of your original move to avoid paying BPM, which is still payable on a car under 25 years old.

If you contact a Mazda dealer in Den Haag, they may be able to give you the price of your car including all options when it was new without any taxes. If you get this, you can work out the amount of BPM liable. However I would imagine it will be less than EUR1k, however you would need an inspection at the RDW (I used the one in Rijswijk as they are more knowledgable about RHD cars given the number of Expats in the area). They will determine it's road worthiness - de-catting will not be accepted during inspection. Headlamps are another obvious one - if you can adjust them as far to the right as possible it may still pass an inspection and subsequent APK which you will also need (Dutch version of the MOT)

Storage in Den Haag - I can't help you with I'm afraid smile

Any more questions - just PM me

Regards
Steven

troc

3,757 posts

175 months

Friday 22nd March 2013
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Not sure about storage in The Hague, but I know that a friend of mine ("Alfa Male" on here) has stored a car in a multi storey car park in Rijswijk near where I work. The car park is set up for long-term storage and there are lots of interesting cars stored there - there is also power etc if you need to do work and I've even seen a few cars in "carcoons".

Their website is here: http://www.speedpark.nl/

Depending on where you are in The Hague - and how often you wanted to use the car, this could be a cheapish option.

I've imported two cars from the UK but they were both new and LHD (and I magically don't pay tax) so all I had to do was visit the RDW for a check up.

benz0

Original Poster:

339 posts

133 months

Friday 22nd March 2013
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Thanks v much for helpful comments guys!

Re: tax, I've just got a job with an international organisation whereby I'm exempt from income tax. Can I get round the tax too?

troc

3,757 posts

175 months

Friday 22nd March 2013
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Depends on which organisation as each has different rules but here at the EPO (European patent office), you are exempted from car taxes for the first 10 years.

You would need a certificate of exemption provided by your organisation which, when combined with the other documentation, will mean you do not have to pay BPM, VAT and indeed road tax for 10 years. Only for one vehicle at a time though, so most people use it to buy something nice smile

Feel free to PM me if you have any international organisation questions smile

halfpenny43

1,018 posts

236 months

Friday 22nd March 2013
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Note to self - must get a job at the EPO

troc

3,757 posts

175 months

Tuesday 26th March 2013
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A lex said:
halfpenny43 said:
Note to self - must get a job at the EPO
Or any other international organisation..... I've got the same BN plates at Eurocontrol smile
But we are the biggest :P

(we also have the crappiest location though, on an industrial estate in the middle of nowhere frown )

PS tentative car-related drinks could be happening in Delft on the 5th April. Well, apres-work drink meet-up by a bunch of car-nuts.

troc

3,757 posts

175 months

Wednesday 27th March 2013
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At the EPO, probably around 1000 cars on BN an CD plates! (Anyone over a certain grade gets CD status and can have 2 tax-free cars).

I still have ~5 years to go.

LeoZwalf

2,802 posts

230 months

Tuesday 16th April 2013
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I am going through this process with our German motorhome at the moment. So far it is a form-filling hell and I've only just started.

Owned it since August 2012, moved to NL end of Jan 2013. I have 4 forms in front of me (all in Dutch, no English versions available):

1. Application for BPM (import tax) exemption
2. Application to pay NL road tax for foreign registered vehicles (obligatory so I'm told, don't fancy it though)
3. BPM calculation form. A beast. You have to know the NEW price of the vehicle (in the case of a motorhome, it's the van base only so I need to find the new price of a 1999 2.8 Ducato with ABS) including and excluding optional extras. When they receive the form, they check your figures match with theirs - why can't they just tell me the figures in the first place then?! And how the hell do I find this info out?? You don't send this form away, you take it with you when you go to the RDW to get the thing registered.
4. BPM declaration form. Using the numbers from 3 above, fill in this one and take to RDW.

Spoke to RDW yesterday about all this (thankfully they spoke English) and they say that the stamp in my passport must not be older than 3 months when I go there to register the vehicle. So I spoke to the Expat Centre in Amsterdam (it was them who stamped the passport) and they say that is not true. They also say they cannot give me another stamp because I'm not allowed to have two.

Going back to form 1 above, do apply for BPM exemption you have to send a copy of:
- stamp in passport to prove you are registered in NL
- proof you are no longer registered in the country where you lived before
- copy of passport
- copy of vehicle registration document
- copy of the proof you bought the vehicle (bill of sale??)

If you were working in the country you lived before you also have to provide:
- copy of your work contract
- copy of your health insurance (whyyyyy???)
- your bank account numbers in that country

All I wanna do is go on holiday in the motorhome and relax. I do also want to make sure it is legally on the road here but they REALLY make it VERY difficult indeed.

If you're thinking of importing a car to NL, make sure you REALLY want to bother. Sure the price of cars here is higher (as is the fuel and road tax) but they hold their value well so over time you don't lose out so much. I'd suggest it would be worth buying a car once you're here or just not bothering at all.

benz0

Original Poster:

339 posts

133 months

Monday 22nd April 2013
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Interesting ^. I have, for now at least, concluded that I can't be arsed to import it here.

Re: the passport stamp though. I never got that done.. I registered at the municipality to get a BSN number et cetera, but no passport stamp.

Is that mandatory?

Back to cars.. I think I'm going to save up and buy something here. Will take a while though and it pains me how much more expensive cars are here.. Even the sheds are expensive! Dutch SOTW is needed!

Finally.. Does anyone know of an insurance company that will insure my MX5 in the UK with me as a non UK resident?

LeoZwalf

2,802 posts

230 months

Tuesday 23rd April 2013
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Re passport stamp, I would have thought it mandatory. Check with your gemeente or ex pat centre if you have one (Amsterdam does). It is called "Verklaring van Inschrijving Burgers van de Unie".

Dutch SOTW? Good luck with that!! Owners clubs and forums are good places to look, that's where I found my BX and that was in shed budget.

It is very painful and disillusioning to see the 2nd hand car prices. I spent ages pouring over classifieds and couldn't get very interested in much at all. Plus of course the mad road tax doesn't help, even fairly light 'normal' cars are expensive compared to UK. But as Alex says, at least they do hold their value much better here, so you don't lose all that money.

I used Stuart Collins for quite some time in Germany after leaving UK. They are a good bunch, give them a call. The policy was with AXA, for what it's worth. Thankfully I never had to claim.

Combination B

1 posts

130 months

Friday 28th June 2013
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Just joined PistonHeads so this is my first post..Seems this thread is a little old, but thought I would add my 2 cents, since I own an Mx5 and have just imported it to NL. Its a 1996 eunos roadster 1.8.
The process is pretty easy.

1. Go to your town hall and ask for your city registration document. (Just an official form telling whoever looks at it where you live, etc etc).
2. Go to Autotelex.nl it's an automated BPM calculator for importing a car. It's in Dutch, but it's not brain surgery to figure out. Key in the year/month of the manufacture of your car, make, model, the usual stuff. Pay €19.95 to finish and download the document. Print it. (12 pages or so).
3. Take your log book, city registration document, and you BPM calculation, along with your passport and MOT if you have one, (I didn't have insurance or an MOT when I took mine in, if no MOT they will do a test, the APK, for a small additional fee), for the car to the RDW test centre. If you turn up before 12pm, you don't need an appointment.
4. Take a ticket from the machine saying 'inspection without appointment' or 'inspection with' if you have made one. Wait your turn.
5. Go to the Baan (lane) they tell you to. Go in and get the car tested. The tester will tell you what to do after that.
6. Pay the BPM at the counter if all is good.
7. Wait 4 days for your documents and go get insurance (Have proof of no claims if you have any), and number plates. (Number plates are available at most print shops, just take all your documents).

Things to look out for.
Fog light at rear, left hand head lights and rear number plate size.

Fog light.
Cover it up with black electrical tape. It's not needed.

Number plate at rear.
Mine is a EUNOS so it has the square plate. They might question it, since it's a slightly different size to the NL ones... but it won't fail on that.

Headlights.
Get some left hand head lights fitted. Don't mess with the adjustment screws. Just swap the lenses.

Mine cost €180 ish to import, at nearly 18 years(?) old. €140 something for the test and around €45 for the BPM.
At 22 years old it should be even cheaper, if anything at all.

One more thing, they wont test for emissions on an mx5 if it was made in 1995 or before. (this is my second MX-5 I've imported, the first was a 1.8i 1995 UK Spec).

Good luck if you decide to go ahead with it.

/Steve.



benz0

Original Poster:

339 posts

133 months

Tuesday 9th July 2013
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Combination B said:
Just joined PistonHeads so this is my first post..Seems this thread is a little old, but thought I would add my 2 cents, since I own an Mx5 and have just imported it to NL. Its a 1996 eunos roadster 1.8.
The process is pretty easy.

1. Go to your town hall and ask for your city registration document. (Just an official form telling whoever looks at it where you live, etc etc).
2. Go to Autotelex.nl it's an automated BPM calculator for importing a car. It's in Dutch, but it's not brain surgery to figure out. Key in the year/month of the manufacture of your car, make, model, the usual stuff. Pay €19.95 to finish and download the document. Print it. (12 pages or so).
3. Take your log book, city registration document, and you BPM calculation, along with your passport and MOT if you have one, (I didn't have insurance or an MOT when I took mine in, if no MOT they will do a test, the APK, for a small additional fee), for the car to the RDW test centre. If you turn up before 12pm, you don't need an appointment.
4. Take a ticket from the machine saying 'inspection without appointment' or 'inspection with' if you have made one. Wait your turn.
5. Go to the Baan (lane) they tell you to. Go in and get the car tested. The tester will tell you what to do after that.
6. Pay the BPM at the counter if all is good.
7. Wait 4 days for your documents and go get insurance (Have proof of no claims if you have any), and number plates. (Number plates are available at most print shops, just take all your documents).

Things to look out for.
Fog light at rear, left hand head lights and rear number plate size.

Fog light.
Cover it up with black electrical tape. It's not needed.

Number plate at rear.
Mine is a EUNOS so it has the square plate. They might question it, since it's a slightly different size to the NL ones... but it won't fail on that.

Headlights.
Get some left hand head lights fitted. Don't mess with the adjustment screws. Just swap the lenses.

Mine cost €180 ish to import, at nearly 18 years(?) old. €140 something for the test and around €45 for the BPM.
At 22 years old it should be even cheaper, if anything at all.

One more thing, they wont test for emissions on an mx5 if it was made in 1995 or before. (this is my second MX-5 I've imported, the first was a 1.8i 1995 UK Spec).

Good luck if you decide to go ahead with it.

/Steve.
Thanks Steve,

That's very helpful info!

My eunos is still sat looking sad in a garage in the West Midlands.

The biggest obstacles to me bringing her over are:

i) visibility with it being RHD. with the roof up I find I have a massive blind spot on UK motorways out the left mirror. driving it on the other side of the road I therefore find a bit of an intimidating prospect. How do you get on with this?

ii) not having a garage to park her in. I own one of very few rust free mk1 eunos', and I really don't want to park her on the road. if not only for the rust but also for the bicycles falling on cars that plagues my street! an earlier poster mentioned the speedpark garages in Rijswijk. If this was a bit closer than 7km from my house then I'd probably go for it and park it there, but it's a bit far, I think.


If you can convince me that it's OK driving a mk1 eunos here though, then I might bring her over. For now I can't see past the blind spot being a big obstacle though...

of course if I only drove it with the roof down then that wouldn't be a big problem!

Alfa Male

389 posts

252 months

Tuesday 9th July 2013
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I know a relatively economic and safe storage location in The Hague area. Let me know if interested.

benz0

Original Poster:

339 posts

133 months

Tuesday 9th July 2013
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Alfa Male said:
I know a relatively economic and safe storage location in The Hague area. Let me know if interested.
Hi, I will certainly do so if I decide to ship her over!

troc

3,757 posts

175 months

Tuesday 9th July 2013
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Alfa Male said:
I know a relatively economic and safe storage location in The Hague area. Let me know if interested.
I think it's your garage we are discussing smile

Alfa Male

389 posts

252 months

Wednesday 10th July 2013
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Ah, I didn not read back that far. Anyway, carry on! Pip pip.

velocitas

225 posts

159 months

Friday 2nd August 2013
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Delighted to have stumbled onto this thread.

I moved to Amsterdam in March and have been given a 320i lease car but want I really want to do is buy a RHD keep it abroad for a few months and reimport it to Ireland to avoid the crippling import tax (30-40%). Looking at a DB7 or XKR or anything interesting around 20k

troc

3,757 posts

175 months

Friday 2nd August 2013
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velocitas said:
Delighted to have stumbled onto this thread.

I moved to Amsterdam in March and have been given a 320i lease car but want I really want to do is buy a RHD keep it abroad for a few months and reimport it to Ireland to avoid the crippling import tax (30-40%). Looking at a DB7 or XKR or anything interesting around 20k
Not sure I entirely understand what you mean - if you buy a RHD car (in the UK or Ireland I assume), then you'll pay local taxes on it. You could then drive with it in holland for (I think) 6 months without being reqzuired to import it into the Netherlands - at which point you'd pay the extra NL taxes over the UK/IRL ones.

If you but it tax-free in the UK/IRL and you export it to the Netherlands - which case you will be liable for the insane NL taxes immediately on entering the country.

Only way to avoid paying tax somewhere in the EU is to have a job that has that as a specific perk - i.e. Ambassador or employee of certain international organisations (EPO, ESA, INTERPOL, EuroControl etc)


velocitas

225 posts

159 months

Friday 2nd August 2013
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Sorry for the confusion, if I source a UK car which I've done for my previous 3 cars and import it directly to Ireland then I'm liable for crazy VRT (an Irish import duty). However if I own a car abroad for more than six months I don't have to pay this tax when I bring the car home.

I would be liable for NL taxes though as I'm a contractor rather than an employee of an INGO so no special plates for me smile Am I crazy to think this would work?