The Triathlon thread - Ironman, 70.3, Olympic, Sprint

The Triathlon thread - Ironman, 70.3, Olympic, Sprint

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JRM

2,043 posts

232 months

Tuesday 1st September 2015
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Interesting - that's very similar to Chantilly

No racking instructions,
15 minute delay all in our wetsuits slowly cooking, with no reason
a lethal swim (400 people in one wave in a small lake) meaning we all punched each other the whole way round to the extent I nearly got out there and then to avoid drowning - even more annoying when the sprint event was split into much smaller waves
Bike course was pretty good with great marshalls except instead of being 40km it was 44!! Checked on various mapping tools and other peoples watches, plus drove it in the car and they were 10% out which ruins any split time analysis against other events.
Start and end of bike course had us riding off road across small rocks on tri bikes and carbon wheels! I saw 2 punctures in the first 20 riders alone
Then the run course crossed the bike course, causing chaos and was also 10% further than it should of been.

I certainly won't be repeating the experience with them again either.

m444ttb

3,160 posts

229 months

Monday 7th September 2015
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As I'm down near St Ives for a week and I'm looking at doing some serious events with a sea swim I thought yesterday was a good opportunity to see what it's like. The lifeguard said it was 'unusually choppy', which wasn't a good start but I'm not sure it looked as bad as the water the IM Wales competitors had last year. The waves were rolling in at about 3ft or so. Certainly over my head while bobbing along before swimming. The swimming itself was a disaster. I probably managed 600m in total over two attempts and felt thoroughly beaten up afterwards. I'm sure mostly from being dropped out the back of the waves. It also made me realise how much I still get in my mouth. I spent the rest of the day contemplating how I could swim 3.8km in these conditions. I suppose part of the answer is you'll do a significant part much further out where the waves aren't yet forming but it was still a confidence dented.

drinks

115 posts

234 months

Monday 7th September 2015
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Thanks for that confidence boosting tale less than a week before IM Wales.

Just what someone who's never swim in a choppy sea needs to hear. smile

Not at all scared right now, honest.

JRM

2,043 posts

232 months

Monday 7th September 2015
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It's definitely much smoother the deeper you go, so I wouldn't worry too much, just duck dive as much as you can through any bigger waves and you'll not feel so badly tossed about

blade runner

1,029 posts

212 months

Monday 7th September 2015
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Just finished my final week of full training and now thankfully into a 3 week taper for IM Mallorca on 26th September.

Took the TT bike out Saturday to shake out any issues before the race. Apart from the computer not working from the off (battery flat in sender unit), all ok. Now wondering if I should bother getting it to work for the race, as I managed 105 miles on feel alone (no cadence or speed indicators) at 18.3mph average (including two transits through Gloucester with numerous stops and go-slows through traffic lights) which was a fair bit faster than I was planning to do on a training ride.

New SRAM rear cassette seems to be very noisy in a couple of the cogs for some strange reason, but it didn't seem to hinder performance or shifting. Will check again to make sure I've put all the cogs on the right way around before the race.

Not done any runs longer than 16miles this time as nursing a niggling achilles injury. What runs I have done have been ok though, so keeping fingers crossed I can pull out a decent run time. Experience has taught me it's more mental than physical when it gets to the run, so determined not to walk too much this time as it might be my last IM for a while.

Good luck to everyone doing Wales this weekend. Anyone else here doing Mallorca?

m444ttb

3,160 posts

229 months

Monday 7th September 2015
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drinks said:
Thanks for that confidence boosting tale less than a week before IM Wales.

Just what someone who's never swim in a choppy sea needs to hear. smile

Not at all scared right now, honest.
I'd be more scared of how bad that salt is going to rub once it dries out :P

Dimski

2,099 posts

199 months

Tuesday 8th September 2015
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drinks said:
Thanks for that confidence boosting tale less than a week before IM Wales.

Just what someone who's never swim in a choppy sea needs to hear. smile

Not at all scared right now, honest.
When are you down to Tenby?

I'm planning a swim tomorrow evening and possibly a short one Friday, let me know if you wish to join me. (There's also IM sessions mentioned in the race pack.)

The forecast isn't worth looking at until at least Thursday, it has changed between good and bad (wind direction creating chop wise) a couple of times already.



On a different topic, and somewhat stupidly given I haven't yet managed IM Wales, I entered the Isoman Tri for July next year. 7 mile swim, 61.3 mile bike, and 26.2 mile run. biggrin

drinks

115 posts

234 months

Tuesday 8th September 2015
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Dimski said:
When are you down to Tenby?

I'm planning a swim tomorrow evening and possibly a short one Friday, let me know if you wish to join me. (There's also IM sessions mentioned in the race pack.)

The forecast isn't worth looking at until at least Thursday, it has changed between good and bad (wind direction creating chop wise) a couple of times already.



On a different topic, and somewhat stupidly given I haven't yet managed IM Wales, I entered the Isoman Tri for July next year. 7 mile swim, 61.3 mile bike, and 26.2 mile run. biggrin
The idea is to be in Tenby just after lunch on Friday, with the aim to register and attend race briefing that afternoon.
Wasn't planning on braving the Tenby waters until the event, there's nothing I can change now so I'm happy my training will get me through. Cheers for the offer.

I'll be in Chester Tri gear on the day, though you are unlikely to see me until the run/walk depending on how our injuries hold up as I'll be behind you in the swim.

As for the isoman, you are a lunatic. 7 mile swim, err that'll be a no from me.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 8th September 2015
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Now tapering for Ruegen 70.3 this Sunday. Have the usual taper aches appearing all over, which is mostly good.

Also have the chance to vmax the car driving up through Germany on Sat. I know which one I'm looking forward to more...

Dimski

2,099 posts

199 months

Monday 14th September 2015
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My goodness, what a day!

I'm delighted to day I completed it; I'll do a report later. smile In short, great swim, decent bike and a hard run, but I did it!

Drinks, you and I finished within a minute of each other. You are an Ironman! smile

baxb

423 posts

192 months

Monday 14th September 2015
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Dimski said:
My goodness, what a day!

I'm delighted to day I completed it; I'll do a report later. smile In short, great swim, decent bike and a hard run, but I did it!

Drinks, you and I finished within a minute of each other. You are an Ironman! smile
Well done gents ! Look forward to reading the reports.

drinks

115 posts

234 months

Monday 14th September 2015
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Dimski said:
My goodness, what a day!

I'm delighted to day I completed it; I'll do a report later. smile In short, great swim, decent bike and a hard run, but I did it!

Drinks, you and I finished within a minute of each other. You are an Ironman! smile
Cheers and congratulations to you on becoming an ironman.
Amazing swim time too. It was a great day out but it's as much a mental challenge as a physical one. Look forward to the report.
I kept an eye out for your number but didn't see you on the day.

m444ttb

3,160 posts

229 months

Monday 14th September 2015
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Well done guys! Very jealous.

I spent all day checking the tracking to see how two guys from work were getting on. The guy i train with managed to finish in 10:56, which has given him the 5th and final Kona qualifying slot in his age group! It was his second Ironman (Wales last year the first) and he knocked more than 2 hours off his previous time.

briangriffin

1,581 posts

168 months

Monday 14th September 2015
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Well i think i'm going to bite the bullet and sign up for Ironman Wales next year, it's my local so want to tackle it and hit a good time.

Swimming is a massive worry for me though as it's a major weakness for me and i think at present i could perhaps do 200M before starting to struggle.Any advice for a novice guys?


As i said i want to achieve a decent time too if I can, I'm sure i remember hearing once that 4hrs would be deemed an 'athletes' marathon time. What would you guys say is an equivalent to this for IMW?

Dimski

2,099 posts

199 months

Monday 14th September 2015
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briangriffin said:
Well i think i'm going to bite the bullet and sign up for Ironman Wales next year, it's my local so want to tackle it and hit a good time.

Swimming is a massive worry for me though as it's a major weakness for me and i think at present i could perhaps do 200M before starting to struggle.Any advice for a novice guys?
Well, the thing to remember is that although the swim for many is the scariest part, it is also the least relevant, time wise at least. If you can get a few lessons and get a steady, relaxed front crawl sorted, the rest is just a bit of practice and the ability to relax and concentrate on stroke while in the water. I'm a strong swimmer, but have not actually had any lessons, just lots of mileage.

briangriffin said:
As i said i want to achieve a decent time too if I can, I'm sure i remember hearing once that 4hrs would be deemed an 'athletes' marathon time. What would you guys say is an equivalent to this for IMW?
Hard to say. It's a hell of a course, but I finished the swim and cycle with enough time to walk the entire marathon if I needed to. That took the pressure off, and i managed to run about 1/2 to 2/3 of it. My marathon time was 5:10ish, for example, so a 4hr time sounds pretty decent to me! (My longest timed event beforehand was a half, which I did in 2:02.)

I'd also recommend, as was suggested to me by greg and gav, getting a copy of Don Fink's book. It shows you that you don't need to kill yourself mileage wise to do one. Between that and some swimming lessons, you should be ok.

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 14th September 2015
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Just dipped under 5h 5 mins at Ruegen. Horrific swim with massive waves on the swim out and back. And v windy. And a not-so-nice 200m 11% gradient hill on the run (twice!).

Speed limited on the car kicked in at 260kmh on the speedo.

Satisfactory weekend!

briangriffin

1,581 posts

168 months

Monday 14th September 2015
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Dimski said:
Hard to say. It's a hell of a course, but I finished the swim and cycle with enough time to walk the entire marathon if I needed to. That took the pressure off, and i managed to run about 1/2 to 2/3 of it. My marathon time was 5:10ish, for example, so a 4hr time sounds pretty decent to me! (My longest timed event beforehand was a half, which I did in 2:02.)

I'd also recommend, as was suggested to me by greg and gav, getting a copy of Don Fink's book. It shows you that you don't need to kill yourself mileage wise to do one. Between that and some swimming lessons, you should be ok.
Thanks mate, i dont want to kill myself on the swim just do it comfortably. As the disciplines go i'm probably strongest in reverse order. Never done a competitive distance run but half run a half marathon across a pretty hilly course at around an 8.5 m/h average so confident i could do a full with a bit of training sub 4 hrs.

I'm ok on the bike just not done the distances longest being about 50 miles for me.

it'll be booked before the month is out though along with swimming lessons, luckily a strong willed mate has signed up too so we'll be pretty good at motivating each other to get training.


bigandclever

13,775 posts

238 months

Wednesday 16th September 2015
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Well, that's Outlaw 2016 booked. Might manage to finish this one laugh

drinks

115 posts

234 months

Wednesday 16th September 2015
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Great stuff, I just went and had a look at booking Outlaw but decided not to rush into committing to anything just yet.
Not sure I'm comfortable with having no races in my future either. What a dilemma.

drinks

115 posts

234 months

Wednesday 16th September 2015
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Writing isn't anything I have ever been good at but if you have time, grab a coffee and settle in:-

Well as you know for the last few months (okay 10 months of sacrifice and early mornings) I’ve been building up to my biggest race so far and Sunday was race day.

After arriving in Tenby on Thursday and eagerly watching the changing forecast with 20-30mph winds and wet weather expected, I was a little nervous.

Alarm went off at 3:30am, look out the window and at least it’s dry. After a breakfast and final prep including a liberal application of factor 50 (well you never know) it was time to walk into town and load up my bike with fluids and nutrition for the day ahead. You could feel the tension in transition and people were clearly feeling apprehensive myself included. Race day goes quick and it was 6am before I knew it. Wetsuit on and it was time to catch up with Libby and Peter for the 10 minute walk down to the beach. Had a quick chat/hugs with them before the athletes were siphoned off, it was quite emotional leaving them to go off on what I was expecting to be the toughest day of my life. A look over to the water and it looked okay so feeling confident.

Wandered down the zigzag path to the beach hanging my trainer bag on the way down, realising 20 metres later that I had hung it on the wrong peg, doh. Toddled back against the flow of athletes to go fix my first error of the day. Then down onto the beach with 1 minute of warm up remaining so a quick dip in the water, it’s chilly but not too bad and then line up according to expected swim time. I’m aiming for 1hr10-1hr15 so head for that section and listen to the commentator work the crowd. Shortly after the Welsh National anthem the Pros are set off and then 5 minutes later the rest of us are unleashed. It’s a steady paced walk to the timing mat and then it’s a go…the race has started.

Just followed the guys in front of me into the water until it’s waist high and then push off into the water. It takes a few minutes to settle in but I’m heading towards the first yellow buoy and it’s fine, a bit busy but not too bad. It doesn’t take too long to dispatch the first buoy and then set my sights on the second yellow buoy, it’s getting rough out here now, waves are growing and I feel like I am being thrown about a metre to my left every time a big one hits. Past this buoy and then I’m looking for the big orange one. This buoy is huge it must be 2-3 metres wide and about 8m high but I can’t see it. Keep going following the other swimmers and staying in the channel of paddle boarders but it’s getting bad out here, the waves are growing steadily and I spot the buoy infrequently but it’s getting closer. I keep plodding away and soon enough the first orange buoy arrives I take it a bit tight and get pushed slightly under it but survive the first turn. Then it’s back along the top of the triangle to the second orange buoy, it’s carnage out here now, not from other swimmers which I was expecting but from the waves which are trying to flip me over. It feels like I’m in a shipwreck movie, trying to go up and over a vertical wall of water at some points, nevertheless I know that I just need to head to the lifeboat station (why would you head anywhere else in these conditions?) to stay on course. This was handy because there was no way of seeing the orange buoy for most of this leg. I knew I was making progress so I just kept my rhythm and finally made the turn. The final leg of the swim back to the beach was a dream, waves didn’t trouble you, so happy days to the beach. Get out, quickly check my watch and I am on 35 minutes, so right on time. Feel a little bit amazed that I’ve managed to maintain my expected pace but quick run along the beach and it’s back in again for round two. Very much the same story except that before the first orange buoy I see 4 swimmers hanging onto a paddle board for dear life. I imagine that was the end of their day as they look petrified. Mrs. Drinks told me later that there were some people who called it a day after 50 metres. Seems a sad way to finish six months to a year of training.

Get out of the water and I am on 1 hr 15 so lost a little bit of time second lap but still on schedule and I’ve survived the most daunting part of the race. Run up the slopes to my bag and put on my trainers and then start the run through the town. This has to go down as one of the strangest things I have ever done, running through the middle of a town at 8 am wearing a wetsuit being cheered on by several thousand spectators. I don’t think I have ever had so much adrenaline coursing through my body as at that moment. Spot family Drinks on my run through and give them a little wave. I know Mrs. Drinks was fearing for my life in the run up to the event, particularly during the swim so I think she was just happy to see me in one piece smile.

Quickly through T1, well it took 16 minutes but that did include a 1km run, fighting with a wetsuit and trying to get dressed when wet and covered in sand.

Then out on the bike, it’s at this point that I discover my watch is throwing a fit and won’t switch from transition to bike so stab various buttons whilst navigating out of town. Nevermind will come back to that later I have another garmin on the bike so can still pace myself according to the plan. I had ridden the bike course before so know what to expect, the roads are wet and there is a breeze but it’s partly from behind so it’s working for us. There are quite a lot of us on the roads and it’s difficult to not enter another riders draft zone particularly on the hills. I like following the rules so I do my best to pass quickly or drop back as required. See 3 people with punctures in the first few miles but they all look prepared and just get on with the job of getting back on the road asap, still makes me feel nervous but also better about splashing out on a pair of tyres before the race just in case.

Try to get down on the aerobars as much as possible but taking things easy as it’s a long ride ahead and this is the easy bit. Lamphey arrives quickly and then Pembroke and the first drag of the day. People are taking it incredibly easy up here, I decide to burn a match and pass what feels like loads of people. The rest of the ride out to Angle is uneventful and over before I knew it, the first feed station was here I’d been sipping away all the way here but I didn’t need anything so just had a look at the setup for the next one. Whilst I was doing this another athlete overtook me and then cut in to stop and grab a water bottle which involved me taking evasive action but collision averted and back to the job at hand. That job was turning the pedals, remember the tailwind, well now it’s back the other way and it feels much stronger this way round. Nevertheless keep my head down and keep ticking off the miles. It’s a long descent into Pembroke before the short climb back up into the town and a quick out and back along the high street. It seems there was some issue with going round the cone at the dead turn as suddenly there were riders going round again which I wasn’t expecting. One quick lockup of the back wheel later, I am round the cone and back up towards Lamphey and the second feed station where I grab a bottle and a banana and start what I know to be the tough bit.

In my mind, I have broken the bike down into sections and I just keep ticking them off and moving onto the next one. I am keeping pace with the same group of riders and we keep changing positions depending on the terrain. I tend to lose them on the flatter bits but make it up on the hills and the descents. It’s drying out now and warming up and I am wondering if my long sleeve gabba jersey was such a good idea now that I am starting to work. There is a lot of support on the course and it’s really motivating to have people cheer you on. Carew arrives soon enough and then the tough section on to Narbeth starts. This is just constant ups and downs but I have been training on this type of terrain all year so I know I can cope. There are people everywhere in Narbeth, with music playing and a great atmosphere. Another feed station so another banana and energy drink to supplement the resources I have onboard that I have been taking according to plan. Tick over 56 miles around here in 3hrs 15mins which is slightly ahead of schedule and I start to think a finish time starting with a 12 might be possible. You have a lot of time to think on the bike course and it doesn’t take me long to figure out that the first half is the easy bit, it has the flatter terrain and the fresher legs. In other words I had a quiet word with myself and decided that a 6hr 30 bike split wasn’t on the cards.

Next stop Wiseman’s bridge, I know there are a few rises but also a few descents on the next section so keep plodding away, my back is starting to hurt and I am getting too hot but legs feel fine and speed is good so just keep going. After the short flat section by the beach at Wiseman’s it is the long climb out, the pirates are camped out here and they keep the riders motivated. I am grateful that I’ve been training in the North Wales hills and this is nothing that I haven’t done on every big ride. I pass lots of riders but tell myself to take things easy as this is just the first time around, the summit arrives soon enough and then it’s the fun descent into Saundersfoot and then it is St. Brides. This is the climb, it looks worse than it is in my opinion and the spectators are lining the roads Tour de France style. This is the most amazing sensation on a bicycle. Hundreds of people inches away from you, cheering you on and separating as you get nearer. It might be possible to hold yourself back but why would you want to? Time to get out of the saddle and give it a little burst of energy and the crowd rewards you, a phenomenal experience that I will remember. Breathing a bit harder now I settle back into the rhythm and spin my way up to New Hedges which is a bit of a grind but what goes up must come down and it’s mostly downhill back into Tenby to start the second loop.

I am feeling hot now and I know that I am getting dehydrated but not sure what to do, I deliberately missed the feed station in New Hedges as I knew I had enough fluid to get me to Lamphey so make a concerted effort to drink as much as possible before then. Also make a decision along the way that it is time to undo the sleeves from my convertible top. Stop at Lamphey to sort myself out not entirely sure that my decision to do this in a portaloo was my best ever but if Clark Kent can use a phone box why not try. Much to my dismay I find it surprisingly difficult to remove my sleeves and get them stowed in a cycle jersey pocket in a confined space, especially when you are feeling race day pressure and the time just ticking away. Finally manage it and stumble out of the portaloo and back onto my bike.

Then it’s more of the same, my back is aching and any length of time on the aerobars makes it worse, mentally reprimand myself for neglecting the core sessions and try to make the best of it. I can see my average speed slowly decreasing but can’t seem to do anything about it. Decide not to try and put a huge amount more effort in and just see where I end up, after all there is still the run, my first ever marathon, to come.

The second lap ticks along nicely, start getting some water and energy drinks from the feed station but still feeling dehydrated but tick off Carew and then Narbeth and then it’s on to Wiseman’s there are still spectators but they are noticeably dwindling compared to the first lap. The pirates are still camped out on the rise from Wiseman’s giving you a little pep talk as you go past. Legs aren’t feeling so strong this time round but I just sit and spin and up and over the climb soon enough for the descent into Saundersfoot. Again the spectators are still out for St. Brides but I am not as enthusiastic this time round and just get up it. Find the climb up to New Hedges tough going but the support was strong and I really appreciated a chap in a onesie telling me how awesome I was. It was around this point that I discovered that I was still in the big ring at the front. No wonder I was finding it tough going. A quick flick to change gear and life was good again.

A quick ride into Tenby and back to transition to finish the bike in 6:55. I was aiming for sub 7 so consider that a job well done. T2 was a chance to shed the jersey that had been baking me alive for the past 4 hours and then struggle with my calf guards before putting on a fresh pair of running socks. Managed to get the L and R on the correct feet, so at least that was a lesson I learnt from the Outlaw Half.
Also press every combination of buttons on my Garmin in an attempt to get it to switch out of T1 mode. Eventually decide that it has me beaten and turn it off and on again and back into run mode.
8mins 45 secs later I am out on the run course.

Now run training hasn’t been going well of late. Given that my last run was over 3 weeks earlier and involved me getting run into by a car and then generally having a bad day and quitting 15 miles into the 22 mile run. Since then my ITB issue had flared up so I had decided not to risk anything and just do my ITB exercises and hope for the best come the race, knowing my longest ever tun was just under 19 miles.

First km I know is flat, so think to myself take things easy, aim for 6 min/km and see how I feel. This seems okay then I hit Narbeth road and the steepest climb of the loop, remind myself to take it easy and just keep everything under control. It’s tough but manageable and I can see my family at the top so have a quick exchange with them which gives me a bit of a boost. Then it’s onto the feeding station at Lady Park I know I am still dehydrated so grab some water and try to drink it whilst running. This involves me throwing most of a cup of water down my front, I grab another cup of water and have a walk whilst I drink which is the technique I adopted for the rest of the race. From here it was a long slow climb up to the timing mat then it’s back downhill for a bit before heading up the shorter rise to New Hedges where there is a feed station (more water) and the lap band pick up where I grab my yellow band and then head back past the Lady Park feedstation (pretzels and pepsi) before showing my new yellow bracelet to Mrs.Drinks and getting a fist bump from Drinks junior.

Then it’s back into town with an out and back to a timing mat by North beach and then the up and down back and forth run through Tenby. Running past the pubs is entertaining but it’s a long way to the next feed station and I am parched. I can really start to feel myself slowing down and I know there is still a long way to go. Nevertheless I make it through the walls and to the feed station where I have a comfort break and then a feeding frenzy of a couple of cups of water, Pepsi, Banana and Pretzels. It’s then a nice flat km out of town and I’m on the second loop.
Keep stopping and walking the aid stations and grab a pepsi and a water and maybe a couple of pretzels or a half banana, keep walking until I’ve got though whatever I have picked up and then back to running. My pace has dropped to something starting with a 7/km which I’m not happy about but I am keeping moving and just heading through my targets, timing mat>feed station>BAND 2 RED!>feed station and then it’s the long run into the North Beach timing mat and around town.

This is the bit that I don’t like, there is loads of support but I’m struggling, decide that I need to have a bit of a walk for just one minute and it will be fine. After 90 seconds I feel a bit refreshed and it’s back to running and the Arches feed station. That’s halfway, half marathon in 2:15 not what I was hoping for but I’ve been training on the flat so was to be expected! I’ve only got two more laps to go and then it’s done. I’m sore, I’m tired but I’m nearly there.

Back into the zone of just moving along to the next target I quite like the climbs out of town and the targets are plentiful a little climb and then some water and pepsi (the feeding stations are sticky now from all the spilt energy drinks, trainers make funny squelching noises for 50 metres after the station), a little climb to the timing mat, back down and then back up to pepsi and my blue band. Then a comfort break, definitely not dehydrated anymore, another feed station more pepsi/water and then back into town. Now I still don’t like this section and have a little walk but I know that the next time I am here is the last time so the sooner I start the last lap the sooner I am done.

I am now running further than ever before, I am into the unknown. My knee is holding up, no major niggles and it is just 10k to go, so lets get this done. Climb out of town for the last time grab some more water/pepsi, thank the volunteers, up to the timing mat then back down and round to more pepsi/water and my green band. I now have a full set and it’s mostly down hill from here. I’ve had a lot of pepsi/water by now so decide it’s probably best to have another comfort stop and then downhill to the next feed station where I had a final top up of pepsi and water. Okay it’s 4km to go I know I can run 4km my legs are fine, they are sore but they’ll make it. I steadily build my pace and am passing lots of other athletes. I like the bit through town this time round, high fiving the spectators, thanking the marshalls and soaking up the amazing atmosphere before heading through the wall and turning left instead of right.

This time I am heading to the finish and not out for more laps, it’s onto the esplanade for a short section and then onto the red carpet and a High Five whilst announcing “Andrew you are an IRONMAN!!!”

That’s it, a 4:43 Marathon and a total time of 13:19:47 not too shabby for my first attempt! wink

Yours
Iron Drinks