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Slaav
Original Poster
1,987 posts
79 months
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taaffy said: As if .....
Then again how many scratch golf range golfers do you see suddenly become 20 handicappers on the 1st tee when you throw a few bunkers some rough and the odd tree into the mix.
As someone mentioned earlier "golf is a simple game" ..... and it is but too many people complicate it with poor self assessment constant worrying about having the right equipment when "learning" the game properly would make more difference than having all the latest alleged game improving gear.
There is no substitute for learning correct technique and sheer hard work .. So a bit like most things then?  (Including life generally....)
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Moose1978
608 posts
107 months
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R1gtr said: Are you telling me that with a nice blade such as any Mizuno MP series iron that a two piece distance ball will feel the exact same as a pro v1 as long as you can't hear the strike?
I must be doing something different to you as I sure can tell. I remember seeing a test with Ian Woosnam many years ago trying out this exact theory. Under normal conditions he could tell you what compression the ball was (shows you how long ago this was) but as soon as he put ears plugs in he did not have a scooby, very interesting stuff, well if your a golf geek like me! Through the years I've been fortunate to try pretty much every 'performance' ball on the market. I've played Pro V1, then Bridgestone and have more recently moved onto Nike's 20XI, which is still a bit pricey but a stunning all round performance ball!
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Moose1978
608 posts
107 months
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Slaav said: As above really - may seem a bit OCD but am buying in bulk. HAve played with both recently and to be honest not sure I can tell the difference really. So simply go with the cheaper ones or what is the actual difference? HAven't settled into consistent striking yet this year so hard to tell. Thanks for any help (and no doubt some abuse) Play off 18 When you decide give me a nudge if you like and may be able to sort a deal for you ;-)
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JBL930
1,837 posts
85 months
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R1gtr
1,053 posts
23 months
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taaffy said: I was a golf pro both tour and club so I'd like think I know what I am talking about....
Sorry I was in no way implying that you don't know what you are talking about, I could only dream of getting to low single figures, I guess I just fall for all the marketing blurb. You have me genuinely intrigued now so I have dug out my motorcycle earplugs and am heading to the range armed with an assortment of balls ranging from prov1,nxt tour, pinnacle gold, maxfli noodle to Dunlop 65i, my tests will not be very scientific but I have a funny feeling I will be back here later eating humble pie 
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taaffy
907 posts
108 months
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R1gtr said: Sorry I was in no way implying that you don't know what you are talking about, I could only dream of getting to low single figures, I guess I just fall for all the marketing blurb. You have me genuinely intrigued now so I have dug out my motorcycle earplugs and am heading to the range armed with an assortment of balls ranging from prov1,nxt tour, pinnacle gold, maxfli noodle to Dunlop 65i, my tests will not be very scientific but I have a funny feeling I will be back here later eating humble pie Haha ....... I have never tried the earplug test but have read about numerous tests on players. Golf is a funny old game but a great challenge ..... it is one where manufacturers know their market and it's insecurities and boy do they milk it ££££££££. Have a read of the last paragraph of this article http://www.ralphmaltby.com/68
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DuncanM
1,807 posts
148 months
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Taaffy, ignoring the feel issue, your first post is more interesting regarding spin (tangible, result based ) Most players of a half decent standard will visibly see the difference in spin between a rock and a decent ball surely? FWIW I can tell the difference around the green and definitely off of the putter. My friend, a scratch player, moved from v1 to v1x due to spin as he was getting way too much spin from the v1. These are tangible results, witnessed by my own eyes so I know that a good ball is worth paying for  Play Wilson DX3 as they strike a good balance for me between price and performance. Price no object I'd use any of the soft tour balls v1/srixon/taylormade black/tour whatever as I LOVE the feel but more so the TANGIBLE RESULTS of the better ball
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taaffy
907 posts
108 months
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DuncanM said: Taaffy, ignoring the feel issue, your first post is more interesting regarding spin (tangible, result based )
Most players of a half decent standard will visibly see the difference in spin between a rock and a decent ball surely?
FWIW I can tell the difference around the green and definitely off of the putter.
My friend, a scratch player, moved from v1 to v1x due to spin as he was getting way too much spin from the v1. Completely agree.....top end balls do spin more and the cover is made softer to promote that mythical "feel" that better players want ..... I was using the V1 and then V1X and was finding that I was getting far too much spin on approach shots to the faster greens I am playing on so I tried various different balls and the NXT did allow me to stop the ball as I wanted without the ball sucking back too much... my short iron distance control is pretty accurate so when getting a distance and selecting a club the last thing I needed was the ball to suck back 15ft. At present I'm using variants of the Bridgestone b330 which does a similar job to the NXT spin wise but having a softer cover it does not sound so rock like. Not all players generate as much spin so finding a ball with the right characteristics is pretty important.
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fatpasty
1,560 posts
35 months
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Davey S2 said: At an 18 handicap I wouldnt bother.
I play off 13 and use Srixon AD333 which £ for £ are the best balls I've played with and are only £13 a dozen.
I wouldnt start worrying about premium balls until you get down to single figures. I play off 14 and I use these and also a Wilson Ultra I believe thats what they are called and they suit me fine. Pro V's are decent but not worth the money and not good enough to rip the ball 15 foot! They nicer around the greens I love them feel and the confidence they give but overall a lot of money for some balls...
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Tycho
7,969 posts
142 months
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taaffy said: Golf is a funny old game but a great challenge ..... it is one where manufacturers know their market and it's insecurities and boy do they milk it ££££££££. It is so much easier to "buy" your game than work at it and I am as guilty of trying to do this as anyone although I do believe that if you like the sound and "feel" then you'll play marginally better. I guess this placebo effect is the same as superstitious players doing the same thing for luck such as Tiger Woods playing in a red top on the last day.
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FellowPazzini
2,587 posts
40 months
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Sorry for the intrusion here but this thread seems like the obvious place to ask other than creating a new one. I'm a complete newbie to the golf and have been looking around for a set of clubs. Come across this site www.wholesaleonlinegolf.co.uk & they seem to have lots of cracking deals (Ping G20 Irons £256, TaylorMade Burner Plu £245, Callaway RAZR X £255) but you know what they say about prices that seem too cheap. Does any one have any experience with this company or is it fake?
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pimpin gimp
1,185 posts
69 months
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FellowPazzini said: Sorry for the intrusion here but this thread seems like the obvious place to ask other than creating a new one. I'm a complete newbie to the golf and have been looking around for a set of clubs. Come across this site www.wholesaleonlinegolf.co.uk & they seem to have lots of cracking deals (Ping G20 Irons £256, TaylorMade Burner Plu £245, Callaway RAZR X £255) but you know what they say about prices that seem too cheap. Does any one have any experience with this company or is it fake? You'll be wanting this thread bud. http://pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f...
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DuncanM
1,807 posts
148 months
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FellowPazzini said: Sorry for the intrusion here but this thread seems like the obvious place to ask other than creating a new one. I'm a complete newbie to the golf and have been looking around for a set of clubs. Come across this site www.wholesaleonlinegolf.co.uk & they seem to have lots of cracking deals (Ping G20 Irons £256, TaylorMade Burner Plu £245, Callaway RAZR X £255) but you know what they say about prices that seem too cheap. Does any one have any experience with this company or is it fake? Too good to be true, scam site I'm afraid 
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FellowPazzini
2,587 posts
40 months
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pimpin gimp said: Ahh thanks  DuncanM said: Too good to be true, scam site I'm afraid I wonder how many people do actually order from these kind of websites & why the hell hasn't it been shut down yet. Shame. Cheers.
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GTO-3R
1,827 posts
82 months
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The Taylor Made Penta is better than both the V1 & V1x. Much more feel around the greens IMO.
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pimpin gimp
1,185 posts
69 months
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FellowPazzini said: pimpin gimp said: Ahh thanks And make sure you read the whole thread, I've found it enlightening... and a good way to while away a few hours!
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exocet ape
222 posts
61 months
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GTO-3R said: The Taylor Made Penta is better than both the V1 & V1x. Much more feel around the greens IMO. They're much of a muchness. Add in the Bridgestone B330 range which you can get last years model for £25 and it is a no brainer, as it performs as well as those. Also the Wilson FG tour ball can be picked up for that price too and is a nice ball. Cheaper balls. I'd bypass the Nxt's as it's poor around the greens. Look at the Srixon AD333 as has been mentioned or try their Trispeed ball. then there is the E series Bridgestone balls which are decent. Pinnacle used to have the Exception ball which was the best of the budget balls but I don't know if they have an equivalent these days. On to 'Feel'. It is mainly myth.... Delicate little chips and putting you can feel the difference between hard and soft balls. Sound is engineered into irons especially. Mizuno and the Japanese forging houses are the kings of this. through their forging process and where they put the weight.You can notice the the harsher sounds when hitting a Titleist forged iron in comparison to an MP iron. But you can hear the difference between a cavity and a muscleback(Irons where the weight is incorporated into forging)
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dxbtiger
2,348 posts
42 months
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I tried the Srixon tour xv for the first time yesterday, in yellow as well.
I was losing the flight of the ball against the dusty, humid summer sky, these really made a difference.
Performance round the greens and on mid irons was just as good as my normal v1x, I am going to stick with them through the summer at least.
Shot 78 with 36 putts, had 8, yes 8 horseshoe lip outs!
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bodhi
2,294 posts
98 months
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The Nike One balls are worth a go, I much prefer them to Pro V1's these days (even if I do use Pro V1's more often - they are my knockaround ball ). The seem to go a bit further off the tee and are fantastic round the greens, pretty durable too. However I do use Nike blades and wedges so I expect they've been desgined to work together.....
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