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Digger
5,753 posts
60 months
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Can someone please explain how a 17 year old schoolboy is leading the US Open?! 
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DukeDickson
3,069 posts
82 months
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Digger said: Can someone please explain how a 17 year old schoolboy is leading the US Open?!  Is that not a question for the enthusiastic amateurs vs professionals thread?  Not a golfer but have it on at the moment and while he's now going downhill a bit, the lad deserves nothing but praise for even being in the mix.
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taaffy
907 posts
108 months
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Digger said: Can someone please explain how a 17 year old schoolboy is leading the US Open?!  A) He is playing some quality golf, better than 98% of the field (whether he can sustain it for another 2 rounds is yet to be determined though) B) He is one of a breed of professional amateurs who has extreme talent that has probably been nurtured from a vey young age. C) After leaving school he attends Texas state university which has a great golf programme and from there he will no doubt go straight to Tour school and most probably gain his playing rights. He is not an amateur that normal average joe golfers would come up against ....we also have a fine crop of them in the UK .
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pimpin gimp
1,185 posts
69 months
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Exactly, he's only an amateur because he isn't professional yet, I'm an amateur because I'm not good enough to ever be a pro. Very different kind of amateur.
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taaffy
907 posts
108 months
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Whereas back in the day (the mid 80's early 90's ,with old equipment) I was a pretty good amateur playing off +1 at 15 and +3 when I turned pro and tried playing for a living .... after chasing the dream for years I settled for teaching golf as even at +3 I felt I couldn't make the grade.....
There is a vast gulf between a scratch player who plays normal length (6000-6200yd )courses that they know intimately and the big boys who play for money on long tour set-up courses (6800yd+) that they play once a year.
Put money on the table that you have to win so you can live and the game changes dramatically ......
Now at 45 I play off 2 on the Ryder cup course at Celtic manor which plays circa 7100 yds from the back tees ....the tour boys easily knock it round in 4 under.
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Dubai
455 posts
32 months
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taaffy said: Whereas back in the day (the mid 80's early 90's ,with old equipment) I was a pretty good amateur playing off +1 at 15 and +3 when I turned pro and tried playing for a living .... after chasing the dream for years I settled for teaching golf as even at +3 I felt I couldn't make the grade.....
There is a vast gulf between a scratch player who plays normal length (6000-6200yd )courses that they know intimately and the big boys who play for money on long tour set-up courses (6800yd+) that they play once a year.
Put money on the table that you have to win so you can live and the game changes dramatically ......
Now at 45 I play off 2 on the Ryder cup course at Celtic manor which plays circa 7100 yds from the back tees ....the tour boys easily knock it round in 4 under.
OT but what has your hcap got to do with anything about not being up to the standard? Paul lawrie turned pro off scratch. Ross Fisher wasn't too low either from memory. A lot were worse than +3. Poulter was an assistant pro off 4. Once into the + numbers on a respected course, it's all between the ears. The game is there.
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taaffy
907 posts
108 months
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Dubai said: taaffy said: Whereas back in the day (the mid 80's early 90's ,with old equipment) I was a pretty good amateur playing off +1 at 15 and +3 when I turned pro and tried playing for a living .... after chasing the dream for years I settled for teaching golf as even at +3 I felt I couldn't make the grade.....
There is a vast gulf between a scratch player who plays normal length (6000-6200yd )courses that they know intimately and the big boys who play for money on long tour set-up courses (6800yd+) that they play once a year.
Put money on the table that you have to win so you can live and the game changes dramatically ......
Now at 45 I play off 2 on the Ryder cup course at Celtic manor which plays circa 7100 yds from the back tees ....the tour boys easily knock it round in 4 under. OT but what has your hcap got to do with anything about not being up to the standard? Paul lawrie turned pro off scratch. Ross Fisher wasn't too low either from memory. A lot were worse than +3. Poulter was an assistant pro off 4. Once into the + numbers on a respected course, it's all between the ears. The game is there. The point I was trying to make ( rather poorly) through my own situation was that even though I had the game, handling emotions is everything...... I had the game but not the right emotional balance to make it on tour. If you don't have the full complement of technical and emotional skills then just having "game" is not enough to compete. Depending on how easy or difficult the golf course you play is determines how easy or hard it is to attain a low handicap or how good or bad it makes you look. You can be a scratch player at your local track and never really play anywhere else, that makes you a one trick pony. Or you can be a far more rounded scratch player that plays numerous courses in tournament conditions and actually manages to play to that handicap on most of those courses. If you happen to be in the latter category and have the right handle on your emotions when faced with having to pay bills with your abilities then you may have a half chance of making it on tour. I actually played with Paul Lawrie in Scotland as a junior and although his game was nothing special, his attitude was different to the other boys in the events..he had an inner strength that nearly everyone else didn't. I now play regularly with my old PGA mates and sometimes Phil Price joins us .....some of my PGA mates used to take money from Phil on a regular basis when they were juniors but when he turned pro and had to make money to live he found a different attitude and made money..... Beau is a talented calm individual ....he has shown maturity on the course beyond his 17 yrs ..as has the 14 yr old who is also playing. To get back on topic ... Tiger... can he do it..... got a feeling if he does that we may see a resurgence in his game ......Nicklaus record may not be so safe after all.
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Digger
5,753 posts
60 months
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DukeDickson said: Digger said: Can someone please explain how a 17 year old schoolboy is leading the US Open?!  Is that not a question for the enthusiastic amateurs vs professionals thread?  Not a golfer but have it on at the moment and while he's now going downhill a bit, the lad deserves nothing but praise for even being in the mix. Wish i had not asked now!  Was partially asked in jest as I am well aware of what it takes to plot your way around a course at that age, albeit not quite at the same level.  Commentators are right to comment that this round will be more like Standing Still Day rather than Moving Day!
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taaffy
907 posts
108 months
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Digger said: Wish i had not asked now!  Sorry 
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Digger
5,753 posts
60 months
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No need to apologise taaffy - didnt make myself clear did i!  It's going to be a late night tonight! I'd just like to state who the winner will be. The course!! Apart from that I really dont have a scooby-doo as to the outcome. You have to look for experience of which there is plenty. Heart says Westy, head says Tiger/McDowell. Outside bet for Colsaerts.
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taaffy
907 posts
108 months
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Looking at how consistent Westy has been since the 1st round .......hmmmmm
Els ....if only it could be....
Gmac ..... seems to have a bit of form
Furyk ......hell of a competitor....
Hossler .....fairytale in the making ...
If the course has not been watered and the wind blows a bit then it's anybody that is within 4 of the leader....can I stay the distance or will I have to record it ...now that is the question.
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Kudos
2,033 posts
43 months
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taaffy said: Looking at how consistent Westy has been since the 1st round .......hmmmmm
Els ....if only it could be....
Gmac ..... seems to have a bit of form
Furyk ......hell of a competitor....
Hossler .....fairytale in the making ...
If the course has not been watered and the wind blows a bit then it's anybody that is within 4 of the leader....can I stay the distance or will I have to record it ...now that is the question. If the winds out I fancy GMac
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Tyrewrecker
6,419 posts
23 months
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Damn I am going to be knackered tomorrow if I see this through...
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Tyrewrecker
6,419 posts
23 months
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What's up with McDowalls accent?!?
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Digger
5,753 posts
60 months
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Tyrewrecker said: What's up with McDowalls accent?!? He lives in America now. Just switched over from the footie? Is the sun set to make an appearance? I want the course to dry up a bit! 
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Tyrewrecker
6,419 posts
23 months
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Digger said: He lives in America now. Just switched over from the footie? Is the sun set to make an appearance? I want the course to dry up a bit!  Fair enough, it just seems terribly put on. "Golf course" "golf shot" "golf swing" etc etc, sounds very woodsy... As much as I love the game I love my sleep more, sky+ it is. Enjoy
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dickymint
11,406 posts
127 months
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Just put a tenner each way on Els. Just thought i'd say.
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Digger
5,753 posts
60 months
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Hmmm . . . I think they should ban the green-reader notes. Why were they even introduced? By all means let the caddies help out if the player wishes!?
Any one else staying up?
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Broccers
2,774 posts
122 months
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Westwood was unlucky there
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Nom de ploom
2,398 posts
43 months
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westy looks to have blown it. gmac in contention...furyk looks solid...
hard to call...playoff seems likely at evens or 1 under...
67/68 wins it
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