Lance Armstrong vs. USADA
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Welshbeef said:
At the end of the day he doped (along with most of the pentagon - possibly took the most we will never know) was unpleasant to 10ish people who claim it ruined their lives (likely true but they were adults).
Welsh, read through this thread. the questions you are asking have been answered numerous times.Your specific questions suggest that you have not really understood what he did, how he did it or how the sport was changed by him.
Efbe said:
Welshbeef said:
At the end of the day he doped (along with most of the pentagon - possibly took the most we will never know) was unpleasant to 10ish people who claim it ruined their lives (likely true but they were adults).
Welsh, read through this thread. the questions you are asking have been answered numerous times.Your specific questions suggest that you have not really understood what he did, how he did it or how the sport was changed by him.
He joined the sport but doping existed BEFORE him in the sport he didn't create it, he allowed himself to be convinced into doing it by a doctor
Efbe said:
Welsh, read through this thread. the questions you are asking have been answered numerous times.
Your specific questions suggest that you have not really understood what he did, how he did it or how the sport was changed by him.
but you didn't ask him what the Pentagon had to do with itYour specific questions suggest that you have not really understood what he did, how he did it or how the sport was changed by him.
johnxjsc1985 said:
Efbe said:
Welsh, read through this thread. the questions you are asking have been answered numerous times.
Your specific questions suggest that you have not really understood what he did, how he did it or how the sport was changed by him.
but you didn't ask him what the Pentagon had to do with itYour specific questions suggest that you have not really understood what he did, how he did it or how the sport was changed by him.
Welshbeef said:
Efbe said:
Welshbeef said:
At the end of the day he doped (along with most of the pentagon - possibly took the most we will never know) was unpleasant to 10ish people who claim it ruined their lives (likely true but they were adults).
Welsh, read through this thread. the questions you are asking have been answered numerous times.Your specific questions suggest that you have not really understood what he did, how he did it or how the sport was changed by him.
He joined the sport but doping existed BEFORE him in the sport he didn't create it, he allowed himself to be convinced into doing it by a doctor
He controlled who joined Sky and possibly other big teams. If you didn't dope, you didn't join.
If you informed on him, he ruined their careers and pursued through the courts.
Whilst making others dope, he kept the best and most expensive treatments to only the top tier of cyclists.
So even if you were a good enough cyclist to compete against a doped up peloton which iirc rode at 5%(?) faster speeds than before or since: then you wouldn't have been able to join the best teams with the best bikes and best support.
and Even if you did want to dope, you wouldn't be able to get to the same levels of cheating as the top tear through Blood Doping.
//The above is not particularly accurate, and i've probably forgotten large parts of it, but there you go//
edit: Here says 10% difference: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23368970
Edited by Efbe on Tuesday 27th January 20:59
He didn't make anyone take it - they were adults of sound mind, they elected to take the doping they made that choice.
Heck I'd assume its no different to adultory - any married man could do so if opportunity arose but does every man listen to their mate go on do it she'll never find out. Nope you individually are responsible for your actions
Heck I'd assume its no different to adultory - any married man could do so if opportunity arose but does every man listen to their mate go on do it she'll never find out. Nope you individually are responsible for your actions
Don't you mean US Postal and not Sky?
"He controlled who joined Sky and possibly other big teams. If you didn't dope, you didn't join"
I see Mcquaid is now wading in to help his buddy.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/31012367
What's prompted all this bleating by Armstrong now? Has he got something to sell? It stinks.
"He controlled who joined Sky and possibly other big teams. If you didn't dope, you didn't join"
I see Mcquaid is now wading in to help his buddy.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/31012367
What's prompted all this bleating by Armstrong now? Has he got something to sell? It stinks.
Welshbeef said:
He didn't make anyone take it - they were adults of sound mind, they elected to take the doping they made that choice.
Heck I'd assume its no different to adultory - any married man could do so if opportunity arose but does every man listen to their mate go on do it she'll never find out. Nope you individually are responsible for your actions
yes you are but...Heck I'd assume its no different to adultory - any married man could do so if opportunity arose but does every man listen to their mate go on do it she'll never find out. Nope you individually are responsible for your actions
if you have spent your life with the sole goal of becomeing a professional cyclist. Then after several years of training, ignoring all else you start rising up in the sport.
Then you hit the brick wall. you are 10% slower than the peloton. The only way throug is drugs. what do you do?
Lance wasn't just another one of these dopers, he was in control over most of it. It was him protecting the hidden side of the sport.
And what do you do if you are in the peloton, realise it's all f
ked up and want to leave?You try and tell the truth and your career is gone. then you are dragged through the courts for slander and sued. This wasn't just against cyclists, but support team members too.
12TS said:
Don't you mean US Postal and not Sky?
"He controlled who joined Sky and possibly other big teams. If you didn't dope, you didn't join"
I see Mcquaid is now wading in to help his buddy.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/31012367
What's prompted all this bleating by Armstrong now? Has he got something to sell? It stinks.
hah, yeah."He controlled who joined Sky and possibly other big teams. If you didn't dope, you didn't join"
I see Mcquaid is now wading in to help his buddy.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/31012367
What's prompted all this bleating by Armstrong now? Has he got something to sell? It stinks.
It has been a while since all this stuff was going on. think i'm losing it!
Welshbeef said:
There are 105 pages!!
Terrible, isn't it? Many of those pages have some useful information that people shouldn't have to repeat for the sake of someone who doesn't wish to read them all.In short - what he did was waaaaay different to performance-enhancing doping. Yet he still tries to make it seem as if "I only did it 'cos everyone else was at it". The truth is an intergalactic distance away from that.
Efbe said:
Welshbeef said:
He didn't make anyone take it - they were adults of sound mind, they elected to take the doping they made that choice.
Heck I'd assume its no different to adultory - any married man could do so if opportunity arose but does every man listen to their mate go on do it she'll never find out. Nope you individually are responsible for your actions
yes you are but...Heck I'd assume its no different to adultory - any married man could do so if opportunity arose but does every man listen to their mate go on do it she'll never find out. Nope you individually are responsible for your actions
if you have spent your life with the sole goal of becomeing a professional cyclist. Then after several years of training, ignoring all else you start rising up in the sport.
Then you hit the brick wall. you are 10% slower than the peloton. The only way throug is drugs. what do you do?
Lance wasn't just another one of these dopers, he was in control over most of it. It was him protecting the hidden side of the sport.
And what do you do if you are in the peloton, realise it's all f
ked up and want to leave?You try and tell the truth and your career is gone. then you are dragged through the courts for slander and sued. This wasn't just against cyclists, but support team members too.
You make it sounds as if he was some mafia Kingpin. It's frankly laughable to suggest that he was "in control over most of it". Everything he did was with the knowledge of a whole host of people and my guess is the amjority of the peloton were on something or other. Yes he controlled the comings and goings of his team...but with such a systemic system someone had to control it.
Every other rider and team boss is just as guilty...the only difference was is he was the guy that won.
Welshbeef said:
As for other sports what about Honda with Button cheating with the super big fuel tanks so they could run under weight. Properly cheating knowing what you are doing yet a season ban and that's it. They didn't come clean they were caught out.
What about belly putters? What about blades v hallow cast
What about different shaped squash racquets
What about those who only eat certain diets taking in barurally more minerals. What about not allowing the male to have sex for 3 weeks before a big event boosting testosterone --- while his component could have the night before unfair advantage.
How do you manage to convey spluttering in text? It's ace. Teach me.What about belly putters? What about blades v hallow cast
What about different shaped squash racquets
What about those who only eat certain diets taking in barurally more minerals. What about not allowing the male to have sex for 3 weeks before a big event boosting testosterone --- while his component could have the night before unfair advantage.
Lance has a cameo in a new music video featuring steroid abuse by former Rage Against The Machines new band "Future User"
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/premieres/lance-...
He appears about 4:38 into the video.
Great track!
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/premieres/lance-...
He appears about 4:38 into the video.
Great track!
Efbe said:
Hamiltonian did it in the UK but did so under oath naughty thee came clean pre anything like that. Silly yep but big news .. Nope$10m!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/31495246
At this rate he will be forced to do a 'tell all' book just tom pay his legal bills! What a shame. Bankruptcy could not happen to a nicer guy.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/31495246
At this rate he will be forced to do a 'tell all' book just tom pay his legal bills! What a shame. Bankruptcy could not happen to a nicer guy.
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