Lance Armstrong vs. USADA

[johnxjsc1985]

The problem with drugs is that it taints even the innocent. Greg lemond's early coach Eddie B was accused of Blood doping in the US Olympics although at the time it wasnt banned.He later went on to what became US POstal with one LA.
I am a huge fan of Greg Lemond and I honestly believe in him and I would love to know the full story of him LA and Trek.
Greg has integrity and his career intact and can sleep at night what price would LA put on that .

[graeme4130]

Matt_N said:

As long as sport remains competitive there will always be people willing to risk doping, cycling or not, Armstrong or not.

Him being out of the sport for 4 years has nothing to do with it, he didn't start the doping culture and his exit from the sport clearly hasn't ended it.

There's no doubt some riders are still doping, look how many Astana riders have been caught in the last few months - 4!

But I feel 90% is an exaggeration, more stringent tests and controls are in place now at the Elite level so why aren't more being caught?

The dopers can't be that clever or far ahead of the game if 4 riders from one team get caught so it's my opinion that doping is on the decline but there are still clearly issues.

Edited by Matt_N on Monday 9th March 08:04

I think Funding still has a lot to do with this. The teams have much larger budgets to improve than the governing body's and WADA have to catch them
Science is largely progressed through cash, so if the teams are willing to pay for the research into how to cheat better, then the testers are still several steps behind in their make do labs and second grade scientists (as a largely broad brush statement)

[Welshbeef]

And here we go.

UCI ( disgraced sporting body) is trying to prevent Lance cycling the same route as the TDF as he is raising money for charity.


Um why would anyone prevent another human who hasn't touched up a child raped murdered just cheated on a push bike from raising money for charity.

Beggars belief stupid UCI

[Derek Smith]

Armstrong offered an olive branch:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycli...

And then rejected it:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/cycling/2015/...

[Welshbeef]

Derek Smith said:

Armstrong offered an olive branch:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycli...

And then rejected it:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/cycling/2015/...

So UCI realise they have got it very wrong to the point they now 90% of the current peloton dope 4 years after he was exposed and frankly probably 7 years in total before the st hit the fan


Contador still racing ... How the fk how can that be fair he was a diabolical cheat ( just like LA but no ban)

[anonymous-user]

Welshbeef said:

And here we go.

UCI ( disgraced sporting body) is trying to prevent Lance cycling the same route as the TDF as he is raising money for charity.


Um why would anyone prevent another human who hasn't touched up a child raped murdered just cheated on a push bike from raising money for charity.

Beggars belief stupid UCI

I assume you're actually being serious.

They're not stopping him raising money for charity at all, they just don't want him associating himself with the Tour de France. Can you honestly not understand why the UCI don't want Armstrong hanging around?

Edited by el stovey on Tuesday 17th March 18:22

[anonymous-user]

Welshbeef said:

Contador still racing ... How the fk how can that be fair he was a diabolical cheat ( just like LA but no ban)

You do understand that Contador is Spanish and Armstrong is American?

[Welshbeef]

el stovey said:

Welshbeef said:

Contador still racing ... How the fk how can that be fair he was a diabolical cheat ( just like LA but no ban)

You do understand that Contador is Spanish and Armstrong is American?

Both vile doping cheats?

[Welshbeef]

el stovey said:

I assume you're actually being serious.

They're not stopping him raising money for charity at all, they just don't want him associating himself with the Tour de France. Can you honestly not understand why the UCI don't want Armstrong hanging around?

Edited by el stovey on Tuesday 17th March 18:22

How on earth can UCI or anybody (unless its illegal) stop LA from cycling the TDF route?


Released pedophiles murders rapists etc could do so if they wanted - possibly ern join a team but let's not get into that discussion.


It would be good if he did this was fully dope tested on his bike ride but was also fully time tested the entire route - might make for uncomfortable reading to the peloton knowing he still has it in spades.

[anonymous-user]

Plus he needs to spend 30 seconds reading up about USADA (anti doping) vs armstrong and Contador being supported by the pro doping
Spanish anti doping authority.

[Welshbeef]

el stovey said:

Plus he needs to spend 30 seconds reading up about USADA (anti doping) vs armstrong and Contador being supported by the pro doping
Spanish anti doping authority.

Contador participates in the UCI TDF and grand tours. What the local Spainish regulator does is frankly meaningless as UCI own the your and set the rules


Or do I have this wrong - in which case if LA moved to Spain if he was still good enough could he participate in the sport again?

[anonymous-user]

Welshbeef said:

el stovey said:

Plus he needs to spend 30 seconds reading up about USADA (anti doping) vs armstrong and Contador being supported by the pro doping
Spanish anti doping authority.

Contador participates in the UCI TDF and grand tours. What the local Spainish regulator does is frankly meaningless as UCI own the your and set the rules


Or do I have this wrong - in which case if LA moved to Spain if he was still good enough could he participate in the sport again?

Yes, the clue is in the thread title. Lance Armstrong Vs USADA. Contador is Spanish so he is against his own doping authority who aren't very strict on doping at all. When he was caught doping even the king of Spain got involved in trying to have Contador's contaminated steak nonsense thrown out and his ban overturned.

Doping athletes from different countries often end up with different outcomes because they have different doping authorities doing different investigations and making different recommendations.

If Lance Armstrong was Spanish, nobody in Spain would give a toss about his doping. It's not a coincidence that most of the doping doctors and many pro riders based themselves there. Spanish sport is synonymous with doping.

[anonymous-user]

Welshbeef said:

And here we go.

UCI ( disgraced sporting body) is trying to prevent Lance cycling the same route as the TDF as he is raising money for charity.


Um why would anyone prevent another human who hasn't touched up a child raped murdered just cheated on a push bike from raising money for charity.

Beggars belief stupid UCI

What beggears belief is your continuous references to child abuse, rape or murder on a thread about cycling.

You are just another fan of Lance who can not accept that he sucked you in and you are now embarrassed by your previous support for him hence the attacks on every one who doesnt agree with you, the UCI and your dimissal of his crimes as serious. This is your issue that you need to deal with. Bedford Rascal has it absolutely spot on.

[Welshbeef]

pablo said:

What beggears belief is your continuous references to child abuse, rape or murder on a thread about cycling.

You are just another fan of Lance who can not accept that he sucked you in and you are now embarrassed by your previous support for him hence the attacks on every one who doesnt agree with you, the UCI and your dimissal of his crimes as serious. This is your issue that you need to deal with. Bedford Rascal has it absolutely spot on.

Let's get things straight - I don't give a toss about push bike racing.
I enjoyed Hoy at the Olympics but that's it really for me.

As for LA again frankly have no concern to his well being or otherwise. I didn't follow him read his book or have his wrist band for live strong.


So no I don't fit that convenient segment instead its those vile dopers like Dwyane Chambers who got frankly nothing ditto the F1 BAR team Button included.

[Grandfondo]

Welshbeef said:

pablo said:

What beggears belief is your continuous references to child abuse, rape or murder on a thread about cycling.

You are just another fan of Lance who can not accept that he sucked you in and you are now embarrassed by your previous support for him hence the attacks on every one who doesnt agree with you, the UCI and your dimissal of his crimes as serious. This is your issue that you need to deal with. Bedford Rascal has it absolutely spot on.

Let's get things straight - I don't give a toss about push bike racing.
I enjoyed Hoy at the Olympics but that's it really for me.

As for LA again frankly have no concern to his well being or otherwise. I didn't follow him read his book or have his wrist band for live strong.




So no I don't fit that convenient segment instead its those vile dopers like Dwyane Chambers who got frankly nothing ditto the F1 BAR team Button included.

If you are so concerned about clamping down on cheating in sport then keeping the worlds biggest fraud/cheat out of any type of sport is a good fking start IMO !

P.S. Maybe if you did a bit of cycling then you would not be such a bloater!

Edited by Grandfondo on Wednesday 18th March 20:12

[johnxjsc1985]

The best thing for LA and cycling would for him to keep a low profile .
I loved his story but never though he was anything other than a control freak.
Still a lot to do to convince the world that cycling is totally clean but at least its hinest enough to admit a problem unlike many other proffesional sports.
Its Milan SanRemo this week isnt it ?

[Welshbeef]

Grandfondo said:

If you are so concerned about clamping down on cheating in sport then keeping the worlds biggest fraud/cheat out of any type of sport is a good fking start IMO !

P.S. Maybe if you did a bit of cycling then you would not be such a bloater!

Edited by Grandfondo on Wednesday 18th March 20:12

Odd thing to say to someone with a BMI of 24/25 are you a skinny fker with well sub 22 BMI?

I'll give it to you have balls but Internet balls only as no doubt they would vanish and you'd never say such a thing to a stranger - risking broken nose in the process


As you were carling boy.

[Grandfondo]

Welshbeef said:

Grandfondo said:

If you are so concerned about clamping down on cheating in sport then keeping the worlds biggest fraud/cheat out of any type of sport is a good fking start IMO !

P.S. Maybe if you did a bit of cycling then you would not be such a bloater!

Edited by Grandfondo on Wednesday 18th March 20:12

Odd thing to say to someone with a BMI of 24/25 are you a skinny fker with well sub 22 BMI?

I'll give it to you have balls but Internet balls only as no doubt they would vanish and you'd never say such a thing to a stranger - risking broken nose in the process


As you were carling boy.

If you are so slim why were you posting about losing weight quickly to go on holiday?
Short memory fat boy?

[anonymous-user]

Welshbeef said:

Let's get things straight - I don't give a toss about push bike racing.
I enjoyed Hoy at the Olympics but that's it really for me.

As for LA again frankly have no concern to his well being or otherwise. I didn't follow him read his book or have his wrist band for live strong.


So no I don't fit that convenient segment instead its those vile dopers like Dwyane Chambers who got frankly nothing ditto the F1 BAR team Button included.

Then why the fk are you wasting everyone's fking time posting on this forum? FFS.

Fatty.

[Welshbeef]

Grandfondo said:

Welshbeef said:

Grandfondo said:

If you are so concerned about clamping down on cheating in sport then keeping the worlds biggest fraud/cheat out of any type of sport is a good fking start IMO !

P.S. Maybe if you did a bit of cycling then you would not be such a bloater!

Edited by Grandfondo on Wednesday 18th March 20:12

Odd thing to say to someone with a BMI of 24/25 are you a skinny fker with well sub 22 BMI?

I'll give it to you have balls but Internet balls only as no doubt they would vanish and you'd never say such a thing to a stranger - risking broken nose in the process


As you were carling boy.

If you are so slim why were you posting about losing weight quickly to go on holiday?
Short memory fat boy?

Not at all - just wanted to get in prime animal condition - you clearly don't like it when trying to catch someone else out but then are caught balls in hand and its not your balls = interesting experience for you one way or another.

Also while talking BMI - please post yours up would be keen to see if your actually a fatty boy and fatter than I (I suspect you are)