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TheHeretic
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124 months
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el stovey said: I think it's the whole point of the thread.
They get paid loads but unlike GB Olympians, under perform at national level. If they're not actually under performing, they're busy racist tweeting and abusing each other and shagging each others girlfriends.
Their large wages but lack of performance at national level is in sharp contrast to Team GB who by enlarge aren't over paid chavs with an inflated sense of self worth. The wages are there because that is what they can command. I presume you would turn down a job of it offered way more than you are on now? It is a private business. All these highly paid footballers are competing against each other. The ones who do win at this overpaid football game are also overpaid. The wages have nothing to do with it. There are athletes who get paid far more than other athletes. The same command of either image fees, etc apply. Football clubs are private businesses, so the wages are frankly nothing to do with the issue. Do you think you should earn more than a paramedic, nurse, or soldier? What the hell does twitter, or their sex lives have to do with it? Are you aware of the Pendleton saga that went on?
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el stovey
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132 months
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TheHeretic said: el stovey said: I think it's the whole point of the thread.
They get paid loads but unlike GB Olympians, under perform at national level. If they're not actually under performing, they're busy racist tweeting and abusing each other and shagging each others girlfriends.
Their large wages but lack of performance at national level is in sharp contrast to Team GB who by enlarge aren't over paid chavs with an inflated sense of self worth. The wages are there because that is what they can command. I presume you would turn down a job of it offered way more than you are on now? It is a private business. All these highly paid footballers are competing against each other. The ones who do win at this overpaid football game are also overpaid. The wages have nothing to do with it. There are athletes who get paid far more than other athletes. The same command of either image fees, etc apply. Football clubs are private businesses, so the wages are frankly nothing to do with the issue. Do you think you should earn more than a paramedic, nurse, or soldier? What the hell does twitter, or their sex lives have to do with it? Are you aware of the Pendleton saga that went on? I don't really care. I was just answering your question about why wages are relevant in a thread titled "Olympics puts Prem footballers in perspective."
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Cobnapint
Original Poster
497 posts
20 months
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el stovey said: I think it's the whole point of the thread.
They get paid loads but unlike GB Olympians, under perform at national level. If they're not actually under performing, they're busy racist tweeting and abusing each other and shagging each others girlfriends.
Their large wages but lack of performance at national level is in sharp contrast to Team GB who by enlarge aren't over paid chavs with an inflated sense of self worth. My point exactly.
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Cobnapint
Original Poster
497 posts
20 months
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Fittster said: Footballers don't get subsidized by the state. No, they get subsidized by mugs like me that buy overpriced match tickets - which makes it even worse!
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TheHeretic
68,163 posts
124 months
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Cobnapint said: el stovey said: I think it's the whole point of the thread.
They get paid loads but unlike GB Olympians, under perform at national level. If they're not actually under performing, they're busy racist tweeting and abusing each other and shagging each others girlfriends.
Their large wages but lack of performance at national level is in sharp contrast to Team GB who by enlarge aren't over paid chavs with an inflated sense of self worth. My point exactly. How many British Olympians are there? How much public money paid for it? How much public money pays for footballers? How many of you have actually been to any events shown in the Olympics? Is this just Olympic fever, and another excuse to act superior about football? Very odd indeed. I'm oot.
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Hackney
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77 months
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Week in week out footballers do a job. They get paid for it.
This "Olympian" effort happens once every four years and proves you the best in the world - or one of the billions who isn't as good.
No point comparing the two.
While there are footballers with appalling attitudes and who exhibit shocking behaviour they are in the minority. Every walk of life, not just sport, has these people. Sadly the fact that they're good at football puts them in the public eye week after week.
Ben Ainslie could be a coke addled serial prostitute user and abuser but the fact is you haven't heard of him between the time he stepped off the podium in China four years ago until two weeks ago. That's the big difference.
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TheHeretic
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124 months
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obob
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63 months
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oyster said: TheHeretic said: Can't you just put this in one of the other 'footballers - Booo hisss' threads?  How about you go and become a footballer? Surely your clear devotion, and motivation will take you to the pinnacle? What makes you think a footballers dedication to their sport is any less than any other sportsperson? Good wages? So what? What on earth does that have to do with dedication? 1. Footballers regularly cheat to win games. 2. They abuse officials. 3. They show no loyalty - wasn't there a player called up for England for the Euro 2012 tournament squad who declined to turn up and stayed on holiday instead? Seriously, what an arrogant prick. 4. They fake injury. But most of all - they aren't winners. Unlike the Olympians, they only win when they're being paid. So what about the cyclist who fell over on purpose, what about all the drug cheats, what about Idowu pulling out because his back hurt a little bit. I mean what a f  king pussy, clearly he should just play on like the women's hockey team do.
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obob
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63 months
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el stovey said: TheHeretic said: el stovey said: I think it's the whole point of the thread.
They get paid loads but unlike GB Olympians, under perform at national level. If they're not actually under performing, they're busy racist tweeting and abusing each other and shagging each others girlfriends.
Their large wages but lack of performance at national level is in sharp contrast to Team GB who by enlarge aren't over paid chavs with an inflated sense of self worth. The wages are there because that is what they can command. I presume you would turn down a job of it offered way more than you are on now? It is a private business. All these highly paid footballers are competing against each other. The ones who do win at this overpaid football game are also overpaid. The wages have nothing to do with it. There are athletes who get paid far more than other athletes. The same command of either image fees, etc apply. Football clubs are private businesses, so the wages are frankly nothing to do with the issue. Do you think you should earn more than a paramedic, nurse, or soldier? What the hell does twitter, or their sex lives have to do with it? Are you aware of the Pendleton saga that went on? I don't really care. I was just answering your question about why wages are relevant in a threa. d titled "Olympics puts Prem footballers in perspective." Who says they are underperforming? Just because the media hype them up to be World beaters, they are not they regularly get to the quarter finals and are pretty consistent at staying in the top ten FIFA rankings. A couple of blokes had a spat with a bit of racism, it made national news because people love football, apparently Pendleton and Mears have been having spats for years but no ones ever heard of it because no one cares about cycling.
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Russ35
1,477 posts
108 months
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I've seen plenty of hockey games this last couple of weeks where multiple players have surrounded the officials. Many sports seem to have a video challenge/review now, so has that led to reduced confrontation of officials in the team sports?
I would love to see football officials secretly record the stuff that gets said to them over a couple of weekends, and then release it to the media.
Diving and cheating I would think most football fans would like to see removed from the game, but that would have to come from the top (FIFA) and we've seen how long it's taken them to make a decision (introduce technology to the game).
Giving their all for the national team. They get a few days before a normal international game to train together and maybe a month before the major tournament finals.
Footballers have to perform most weeks for 9 months of the year and the international players probably 10.5 months if they are going to a major tournament finals. I'm sure that if we did something like cricket and centrally contracted players to England and allowed them a handful of league appearances a season we may do better.
When will the track cycle team have to race in anger again?
the divers?
the swimmers will be part of a swimming club so how often will they race?
the rowers?
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pablo
10,291 posts
142 months
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i think most of the stuff only applies to about a tenth of the premiership players, the ones on £150k per week, there are others at the other end of the league on much less money who still know that they are two s t games from the reserves. come down a league or two and its even more enjoyable. Championship football in Bristol from £17 per game this season too. Not every game is full of play-acting, diving, abusing the referee etc...I wish people would not refer to all footballers, or even all footballers in the premier league, as one and the same but for some, hating football is all they have in life because they think it gives them a personality.
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Hackney
1,741 posts
77 months
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Russ35 said: Footballers have to perform most weeks for 9 months of the year and the international players probably 10.5 months if they are going to a major tournament finals. And are expected to be at peak performance for all those weeks, otherwise they're criticised for being wimps or under-performing. Most Olympians schedule their peaks around Olympics and a handful of major tournaments. The exception - certainly this year - are the road cyclists where 4 out of 5 competed in arguably the toughest event of any sport having taken the extreme step of maintaining a peak for several weeks to help Wiggo win the TdF I'm not trying to diminish the efforts or achievements of any other sportsman or woman I've been amazed by so many performances but football and footballers do get some unjustified stick.
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rover 623gsi
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30 months
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I have no doubt at all that the most olympians train harder than most footballers. But footballers compete more often than most olympians - and this is actually means they never get as fit as they could or as technically good as they could be because they have to sacrifice their training potential in order to play games.
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Gaz.
47,166 posts
120 months
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Hackney said: Week in week out footballers do a job. They get paid for it.
This "Olympian" effort happens once every four years and proves you the best in the world - or one of the billions who isn't as good.
No point comparing the two.
While there are footballers with appalling attitudes and who exhibit shocking behaviour they are in the minority. Every walk of life, not just sport, has these people. Sadly the fact that they're good at football puts them in the public eye week after week.
Ben Ainslie could be a coke addled serial prostitute user and abuser but the fact is you haven't heard of him between the time he stepped off the podium in China four years ago until two weeks ago. That's the big difference. Most sport goes on week in, week out. It isn't just football that goes on for ten months of the year. The World Cup only happens every four years too if we are being silly.
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Disastrous
3,606 posts
86 months
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It seems to me that put simply, Olympians (I'm carefully excluding the weird, pro-events like golf, football and tennis) tend to have a pretty thankless existence of endless training (and I'm sorry but Chris Hoy simply does train harder than a footballer), ruined social lives and no money (I don't agree for a second that Lotto funding equates to Premieship wages) in exchange for a slim chance of unpaid glory.
Additionally, the British ones seem to actually do better on an international stage than the footballers, despite the longer hours and minimal cash incentive.
Don't get me wrong, I'd be a footballer or an F1 driver all day long given half a chance but please don't kid yourself; they don't work anywhere near as hard as the athletes do. Assuming the same base level of skill (which I don't have!) I reckon I could cope with the hours and commitment required to be a Premiership player. I don't have what it takes to be Chris Hoy.
I don't grudge the footballers what they get as its a business and they can obviously command it but I don't see them in anywhere near the same light of discipline, effort and commitment as proper athletes.
Ps I don't hate football and not a rant!
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honest_delboy
654 posts
69 months
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^^^^ Spot on.
If this were a thread about BB contestants vs sportsmen it would have more legs i feel.
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mrmr96
11,958 posts
73 months
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There is so much nonsense being posted by the "pro football camp" I don't have time to address all of it! So many weak weak arguments from them too.
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Erijaso
493 posts
124 months
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Respect to the athlete who broke a bone in his leg but carried on until the finish line to pass the baton in the 400m relay!!!
Thats a true sportsman.
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TheHeretic
68,163 posts
124 months
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mrmr96 said: There is so much nonsense being posted by the "pro football camp" I don't have time to address all of it! So many weak weak arguments from them too. Enlighten us then rather than just wave your hand and dismiss us all? I'm not even sure there is a 'pro-football' camp. My own position is that it seems weak, and somewhat pathetic to use a decent medal haul at the Olympics for folks to have yet another cheap, easy pop at footballers with all the usual piss poor arguments, and tabloid-esque ratings.
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pablo
10,291 posts
142 months
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mrmr96 said: There is so much nonsense being posted by the "pro football camp" I don't have time to address all of it! So many weak weak arguments from them too. there are 92 football league teams in England watched by well over 1 million people in person each week. sadly three or four teams dominate all the press and thats what you base your opinion of every footballer/team on.
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