SPOTY Who will it be

[mikeiow]

theplayingmantis said:

Square Leg said:

Mary Earps then.
Well deserved.

Why is it well deserved? Best PR yes. What has she done to deserve it? Won anything, conceded a terrible goal vs. Holland?

Baffled by such a statement.

Won anything?

• Arnold Clark Cup
• Finalissima
• World Cup Runner-Up
• FA Cup Runner-Up
• World Cup Golden Glove
• WSL Golden Glove
• England Player of the Year
• PFA WSL Team of the Year
• BBC Women's Footballer of the Year

How was your year, champ?

[bad company]

Scabutz said:

Football and Cricket have the highest number of viewers and so will always have an advantage. Athletics is a lot lower in terms of viewership.

Except that football is a team sport so individuals are harder to pick. Athletics & say tennis must more individual.

[Tycho]

Square Leg said:

All that aside, I see Barton really has had a meltdown, so alls well that ends well.

I do feel the whole concept is in its death throes- this used to be the flagship of Christmas at the BBC always held on the last Saturday night before Christmas.
Now it’s pushed to a Tuesday night.

Barton having a meltdown is always a pleasure to see.

[Paul Dishman]

Vocal Minority said:

Golfers are having a right old flounce

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/sports-personalit...

Corrigan is still banging on in the Telegraph about how Mcilroy was “robbed” back in ‘14 and didn’t bother attending this year despite being in the country for a football match at the weekend.

[Randy Winkman]

Tycho said:

Square Leg said:

All that aside, I see Barton really has had a meltdown, so alls well that ends well.

I do feel the whole concept is in its death throes- this used to be the flagship of Christmas at the BBC always held on the last Saturday night before Christmas.
Now it’s pushed to a Tuesday night.

Barton having a meltdown is always a pleasure to see.

Today's Metro newspaper article includes the line "Barton, who once played 12 minutes for England ........"

[Tycho]

Randy Winkman said:

Tycho said:

Square Leg said:

All that aside, I see Barton really has had a meltdown, so alls well that ends well.

I do feel the whole concept is in its death throes- this used to be the flagship of Christmas at the BBC always held on the last Saturday night before Christmas.
Now it’s pushed to a Tuesday night.

Barton having a meltdown is always a pleasure to see.

Today's Metro newspaper article includes the line "Barton, who once played 12 minutes for England ........"

that's brutal. He's a completely irrelevant tosser who wasn't that good at footie in the first place. I guess he has to say things like this to try and be noticed.

[andyA700]

In 1994, Damon Hill was SPOTY after finishing 2nd in the F1 championship. The same year, Sally Gunnell was runner up in SPOTY. From 1992 to 1994, Sally Gunnell was undefeated in International events, winning 400m hurdles gold at Olyhpics, World Championship, European Championships, Commonwealth Games, Goodwill Games, IAAF World Cup, European Cup. She set British, European and World records. Her World record still ranks in the top ten and is the current British record.
The original brief of SPOTY was this

"The winner is the sportsperson, judged by a public vote, to have achieved the most that year. The recipient must either be British or reside and play a significant amount of their sport in the United Kingdom."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Sports_Personali...

[Zoon]

andyA700 said:

In 1994, Damon Hill was SPOTY after finishing 2nd in the F1 championship. The same year, Sally Gunnell was runner up in SPOTY. From 1992 to 1994, Sally Gunnell was undefeated in International events, winning 400m hurdles gold at Olyhpics, World Championship, European Championships, Commonwealth Games, Goodwill Games, IAAF World Cup, European Cup. She set British, European and World records. Her World record still ranks in the top ten and is the current British record.
The original brief of SPOTY was this

"The winner is the sportsperson, judged by a public vote, to have achieved the most that year. The recipient must either be British or reside and play a significant amount of their sport in the United Kingdom."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Sports_Personali...

I know it's a public vote for the winner, but who comes up with the pre-determined shortlist?
You can't vote for Ronnie O'Sullivan if he's not on there!

[S600BSB]

mikeiow said:

theplayingmantis said:

Square Leg said:

Mary Earps then.
Well deserved.

Why is it well deserved? Best PR yes. What has she done to deserve it? Won anything, conceded a terrible goal vs. Holland?

Baffled by such a statement.

Won anything?

• Arnold Clark Cup
• Finalissima
• World Cup Runner-Up
• FA Cup Runner-Up
• World Cup Golden Glove
• WSL Golden Glove
• England Player of the Year
• PFA WSL Team of the Year
• BBC Women's Footballer of the Year

How was your year, champ?

Great response! What a stupid comment.

[Paul Dishman]

andyA700 said:

In 1994, Damon Hill was SPOTY after finishing 2nd in the F1 championship. The same year, Sally Gunnell was runner up in SPOTY. From 1992 to 1994, Sally Gunnell was undefeated in International events, winning 400m hurdles gold at Olyhpics, World Championship, European Championships, Commonwealth Games, Goodwill Games, IAAF World Cup, European Cup. She set British, European and World records. Her World record still ranks in the top ten and is the current British record.
The original brief of SPOTY was this

"The winner is the sportsperson, judged by a public vote, to have achieved the most that year. The recipient must either be British or reside and play a significant amount of their sport in the United Kingdom."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Sports_Personali...

I voted for Damon

[theplayingmantis]

S600BSB said:

mikeiow said:

theplayingmantis said:

Square Leg said:

Mary Earps then.
Well deserved.

Why is it well deserved? Best PR yes. What has she done to deserve it? Won anything, conceded a terrible goal vs. Holland?

Baffled by such a statement.

Won anything?

• Arnold Clark Cup
• Finalissima
• World Cup Runner-Up
• FA Cup Runner-Up
• World Cup Golden Glove
• WSL Golden Glove
• England Player of the Year
• PFA WSL Team of the Year
• BBC Women's Footballer of the Year

How was your year, champ?

Great response! What a stupid comment.

huh what?

shouldn't you be getting worked up and angry in NPE!?

and to mike:

so being a runner up is now a win?!

and i meant trophies as anyone without some silly agenda would know, actual tangible achievements, so you can have golden glove and the couple of tin pot friendly cups in a minority sport which were team events where she's not even the best player anyway...

Far more deserving than KJT clearly who won on the international level in sport that has been on the global stage for decades and is taken seriously by most of the world...

broady shouldn't have bene on the shortlist either, lifetime achievement, yes not for his efforts this year they were not particularly special.

its just silly to pretend spoty is anything more than a 'political' decision who wins now tailoring the shortlists etc. and even though it has been for years its now jumped the shark completely.
i have nothing against earps but in no tangible way is she the deserved winner. Her achievements, even factoring in the 'character' aspect of the award are miniscule and thats indisputable.

How was my year pretty good thanks but i'm not a pro sportsman so its irrelevant...hope yours was as good!

[bad company]

Some years there’s a very obvious winner like Daley Thompson in 1982. Other years a lot of people moan about the result as it should have been a footballer, tennis player, racing driver or golfist.

I really enjoy SPOTY including the grumbles from the losing supporters.

[Ashfordian]

Agree with the others that Earps 'win' just puts another nail in the coffin of the programme. But as we all know it is not a Sporting achievement award as that would have been won by KJT or Lucy Charles-Barclay this year.

The "personality" part of the award is now skewed to whichever sport(s) are in favour by the BBC, which in reality are the minority sports that have yet to be poached by the PPV channels (or those protected).

A shame as the SPOTY award use to carry Kudos to it.

[bad company]

Ashfordian said:

Agree with the others that Earps 'win' just puts another nail in the coffin of the programme. But as we all know it is not a Sporting achievement award as that would have been won by KJT or Lucy Charles-Barclay this year.

The "personality" part of the award is now skewed to whichever sport(s) are in favour by the BBC, which in reality are the minority sports that have yet to be poached by the PPV channels (or those protected).

A shame as the SPOTY award use to carry Kudos to it.

Not sure I’d class football even the women’s version as a minority sport.

[theplayingmantis]

bad company said:

Ashfordian said:

Agree with the others that Earps 'win' just puts another nail in the coffin of the programme. But as we all know it is not a Sporting achievement award as that would have been won by KJT or Lucy Charles-Barclay this year.

The "personality" part of the award is now skewed to whichever sport(s) are in favour by the BBC, which in reality are the minority sports that have yet to be poached by the PPV channels (or those protected).

A shame as the SPOTY award use to carry Kudos to it.

Not sure I’d class football even the women’s version as a minority sport.

Most would. Until they have to stop selling tickets for the 'major' games for £3 and letting in school kids at every game for free to boost attendances and then claim it as some sort of sign of popularity, despite the primetime slots its given by the bbc, i think it can be deemed as such, lets not mention the quality on display.

In time hopefully it will be on par with womans golf, tennis, and athletics (cricket is getting there) in quality and popularity, and self sufficiency (well athletics full stop isn't really self sufficient financially), all of which are very good products in there own right. i have my doubts though.

[S600BSB]

theplayingmantis said:

bad company said:

Ashfordian said:

Agree with the others that Earps 'win' just puts another nail in the coffin of the programme. But as we all know it is not a Sporting achievement award as that would have been won by KJT or Lucy Charles-Barclay this year.

The "personality" part of the award is now skewed to whichever sport(s) are in favour by the BBC, which in reality are the minority sports that have yet to be poached by the PPV channels (or those protected).

A shame as the SPOTY award use to carry Kudos to it.

Not sure I’d class football even the women’s version as a minority sport.

Most would. Until they have to stop selling tickets for the 'major' games for £3 and letting in school kids at every game for free to boost attendances and then claim it as some sort of sign of popularity, despite the primetime slots its given by the bbc, i think it can be deemed as such, lets not mention the quality on display.

In time hopefully it will be on par with womans golf, tennis, and athletics (cricket is getting there) in quality and popularity, and self sufficiency (well athletics full stop isn't really self sufficient financially), all of which are very good products in there own right. i have my doubts though.

Blimey, I thought the dinosaurs were over on NP&E!

[AlexRS2782]

Zoon said:

andyA700 said:

In 1994, Damon Hill was SPOTY after finishing 2nd in the F1 championship. The same year, Sally Gunnell was runner up in SPOTY. From 1992 to 1994, Sally Gunnell was undefeated in International events, winning 400m hurdles gold at Olyhpics, World Championship, European Championships, Commonwealth Games, Goodwill Games, IAAF World Cup, European Cup. She set British, European and World records. Her World record still ranks in the top ten and is the current British record.
The original brief of SPOTY was this

"The winner is the sportsperson, judged by a public vote, to have achieved the most that year. The recipient must either be British or reside and play a significant amount of their sport in the United Kingdom."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Sports_Personali...

I know it's a public vote for the winner, but who comes up with the pre-determined shortlist?
You can't vote for Ronnie O'Sullivan if he's not on there!

Taken from - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/sports-personality/676...

Text from article linked above said:

Who was on the judging panel?
The industry panel for this year's BBC Sports Personality of the Year included former England footballer Ellen White, ex-hurdler Colin Jackson, Paralympic swimmer Ellie Simmonds and ex-Scotland rugby international Chris Paterson.

Sports journalists Charlotte Harpur (The Athletic), David Coverdale (Daily Mail) and Rob Maul (The Sun), were also on the 2023 panel, in addition to UK Sport chair Kath Grainger and broadcaster Holly Hamilton.

Representing the BBC were director of sport Barbara Slater, head of TV sport Philip Bernie and Sports Personality of the Year executive producer Gabby Cook.

It's done the same way every year, but with different people (former sports people, sporting journalists, etc)

[520TORQUES]

andyA700 said:

In 1994, Damon Hill was SPOTY after finishing 2nd in the F1 championship. The same year, Sally Gunnell was runner up in SPOTY. From 1992 to 1994, Sally Gunnell was undefeated in International events, winning 400m hurdles gold at Olyhpics, World Championship, European Championships, Commonwealth Games, Goodwill Games, IAAF World Cup, European Cup. She set British, European and World records. Her World record still ranks in the top ten and is the current British record.
The original brief of SPOTY was this

"The winner is the sportsperson, judged by a public vote, to have achieved the most that year. The recipient must either be British or reside and play a significant amount of their sport in the United Kingdom."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Sports_Personali...

The year Senna died and Damon had to help bring the team out of that disaster and took the fight for the championship down to the last race, where a cheating Schumacher rammed him out of the race to win the championship. F1 that year was a much bigger story than athletics.

[bad company]

520TORQUES said:

The year Senna died and Damon had to help bring the team out of that disaster and took the fight for the championship down to the last race, where a cheating Schumacher rammed him out of the race to win the championship. F1 that year was a much bigger story than athletics.

Which was why Damon H won SPOTY that year.

Bet there were loads of moaners though, just like this year.

[MesoForm]

AlexRS2782 said:

It's done the same way every year, but with different people (former sports people, sporting journalists, etc)

They used to ask sports journalists for their top 10, then pick the most picked from those lists to go to the public with. Think they changed after an all-male list a few years back.