The Official Rio Olympics 2016 thread
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popeyewhite said:
Rosscow said:
You can probably look at any sport going and see a positive trend between success at 'home' versus success 'away.'
Not so, actually. There's a huge difference between team games and solo sports for instance.Rosscow said:
Why should athletics be any different?
The home advantage effect has been proved in football, not sure about other team sports. The effect of home advantage can be, and has been, negated by following a number of protocols, ie. for the visiting team: designing a practice pitch to be the same size as the match version, recording the noise of the home crowd and replaying through speakers at practice, mimicking various other sights/banners/posters at the match in question. I'm not going to bore you (any more than already!) but in non-team sports quite often having matches away can improve performance, and often in non-team sport the pressure of a home performance can upset the athlete and performance can deteriorate. So you're saying there are sports where teams/people consistently perform better away from their 'home' surroundings - be that a stadium, a swimming pool, a cycling track, etc?
Rosscow said:
Interesting.
So you're saying there are sports where teams/people consistently perform better away from their 'home' surroundings - be that a stadium, a swimming pool, a cycling track, etc?
No, I'm saying that although home advantage has been proved in football, it's also been proved the impact of home advantage is nowhere near as great in non-team sports, and can actually be detrimental to performance. Home advantage in team and solo sports can also be negated to varying degrees with careful pre-game planning of actual match environment.So you're saying there are sports where teams/people consistently perform better away from their 'home' surroundings - be that a stadium, a swimming pool, a cycling track, etc?
Antony Moxey said:
popeyewhite said:
Antony Moxey said:
Why mountain biking?
...essentials of track/field/water onlypopeyewhite said:
Leithen said:
Your view of "core sports" isn't necessarily the same as everybody else. Without there being any real historical precedent, Ancient or Modern,
What d'you mean there's no historical precedent? Assuming a typo!All of which simply goes to show that their are no historical "core" Olympic sports at all. Only what the organisers at the time saw fit to include presumably because they believed they could find enough competitors and there was a demand for the contests. Some have been permanent fixtures, others not. But there's no original set of Olympic sports either by event or type of event.
A four yearly global sporting event ought to be as diverse and inclusive as possible. It's very easy to assess each individual sport using many different criteria. Some will come in and out of favour, others like squash will strangely be left out in the cold.
It's obvious that there needs to be an economic model that makes the event affordable. Capping the number of events is the current way of limiting costs, as is minimising the number of stadia. One suspects however, that better management of the funds raised and subsequent dispersement of those funds might go a long way to improving host nation affordability. The two week format also needs to be manageable.
I think the home advantage in the Olympics is that the host country spends a lot more money and attention in the 8 years beforehand on their athletes (and sportsmen/women), hence the usual decline of medals post-hosting. We're also seeing the continuing effects of Lottery funding, which gave us a big shot in the arm's race...
Interesting that Russia had 70% of their athletes missing yet still got to 4th position.
ETA: And whoever dared propose dropping the Beach Volley ought to be taken out and shot. At ten metres. With a fancy pistol. In the bullseye.
Interesting that Russia had 70% of their athletes missing yet still got to 4th position.
ETA: And whoever dared propose dropping the Beach Volley ought to be taken out and shot. At ten metres. With a fancy pistol. In the bullseye.
Edited by andy_s on Monday 22 August 16:58
andy_s said:
I think the home advantage in the Olympics is that the host country spends a lot more money and attention in the 8 years beforehand on their athletes (and sportsmen/women), hence the usual decline of medals post-hosting. We're also seeing the continuing effects of Lottery funding, which gave us a big shot in the arm's race...
Interesting that Russia had 70% of their athletes missing yet still got to 4th position.
Russia 'only' had 35% less than at London 2012....Interesting that Russia had 70% of their athletes missing yet still got to 4th position.
popeyewhite said:
Antony Moxey said:
popeyewhite said:
Antony Moxey said:
Why mountain biking?
...essentials of track/field/water onlyLeithen said:
If you want to go on ancient historical precedent then you'll be happy with nudity, running wearing armour and chariot racing. Or the more modern precedent including tennis, shooting and cycling (1896).
I'd happily stick the ancient disciplines, though modern mores should inform you nudity wouldn't be permitted. I think athletes already wear Underarmour(TM). Chariot racing sounds great. Running, jumping, discus etc..wrestling, pankration, boxing and equine pursuits. I'd allow watersports.Leithen said:
All of which simply goes to show that their are no historical "core" Olympic sports at all.
No, it doesn't.. The sports of running, jumping, discus, and wrestling feature in both the Games you mention. Do you misunderstand the word 'core'?Leithen said:
A four yearly global sporting event ought to be as diverse and inclusive as possible.
No, it should not. It's not a circus. People will know what sports are featured.
Leithen said:
It's obvious that there needs to be an economic model that makes the event affordable.
You could hold it in the same country in the same stadium every four years for instance? Funnily enough both the Ancient Greek Games and the 1896 Games were held in the same place. Not only are there core sports, the IOC also seems to recognise the 'home' of the Games. 
Antony Moxey said:
I presume then that road cycling and gymnastics don't either, together with badminton, boxing, basketball, hockey, judo, volleyball, table tennis plus a few others too? In fact, if they're not 'core' then doesn't that exclude most sports in the Olympics?
Table tennis certainly not, nor volleyball. 
Russ35 said:
Something I'd forgot about was the new TV broadcast deal that runs till 2024?.
Wasn't it won by Discovery Network or something with the BBC sub licensing it. So could that effect what the BBC can show or stream. It was great having the extra 8 channels this year (>8 for 2012) and also being able to stream other channels also.
The Discovery deal doesn't come into effect in the UK until 2022 thankfully. Due to the success of London 2012, the IOC & BBC negotiated a specific deal, later that year, which gave the BBC the exclusive domestic rights for the 2016, 2018 & 2020 games on a free to air basis. However from 2022 the BBC will sub-license their access.Wasn't it won by Discovery Network or something with the BBC sub licensing it. So could that effect what the BBC can show or stream. It was great having the extra 8 channels this year (>8 for 2012) and also being able to stream other channels also.
The main Discovery Eurosport deal, that runs from 2018, was agreed because the IOC no longer wanted to deal with negotiating separate TV rights with individual countries so sold them as a package to Discovery, meaning they'd be responsible for all European wide access (excluding Russia for some reason). Essentially they will now negotiated the access / sub-licensing, dependent on the requirements / budget / demand in each country. I believe Discovery also have the final decision on whether or not the access / sub-licensing is via free to air or subscription only broadcasters (or a combination of both) in each respective country.
I believe the BBC have already negotiated a deal with Discovery, earlier this year, which guarantees live free to air broadcast to the majority of events from 2022, however the lesser viewed sports & qualifying events are likely be broadcast exclusively by Discovery via satellite / cable as part of that deal.
Edited by AlexRS2782 on Monday 22 August 20:49
Ryan Lochte's bill for his night out:
50k and counting.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/22/ryan...
50k and counting.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/22/ryan...
hornetrider said:
Ryan Lochte's bill for his night out:
50k and counting.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/22/ryan...
Good.50k and counting.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/22/ryan...
He's a pathetic tw@t.
Murph7355 said:
hornetrider said:
Ryan Lochte's bill for his night out:
50k and counting.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/22/ryan...
Good.50k and counting.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/22/ryan...
He's a pathetic tw@t.
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