The Official 2012 Ryder Cup Thread

[SpeckledJim]

taaffy said:

ferrisbueller said:

taaffy said:

Our players can putt as well as theirs.

I'm really not sure that's true.

The putting stats for top 50 players on the European and PGA tour websites would say that they are virtually the same.

The range is from circa 27 putts per round for position 1 to circa 29 putts per round for position 50 on both tours.

The confidence that the crowd gives them is massive as it was for us at Celtic Manor.

Edited by taaffy on Saturday 29th September 10:34

The americans are higher ranked, which would suggest they are sticking the ball more consistently close to the flag, so their putts would be easier than ours. Separating putting stats from overall scoring is difficult.

Whether that is material or not, given the matchplay circumstances, I doubt.

Where they do have a distinct advantage is in acclimatisation to the US atmosphere, and the aggressive style of the crowd's support. I imagine Paul Lawrie doesn't enjoy being YeeHaa'd at by a ten thousand fat guys in hockey vests.

[SpeckledJim]

Alternatively,in some circumstances a great golfer might be able to hit the green in two, a merely good golfer might be drilling a wedge close in three. So the great golfer is on for two putts, when the good golfer is looking for just one. Complicated.

[taaffy]

SpeckledJim said:

taaffy said:

ferrisbueller said:

taaffy said:

Our players can putt as well as theirs.

I'm really not sure that's true.

The putting stats for top 50 players on the European and PGA tour websites would say that they are virtually the same.

The range is from circa 27 putts per round for position 1 to circa 29 putts per round for position 50 on both tours.

The confidence that the crowd gives them is massive as it was for us at Celtic Manor.

Edited by taaffy on Saturday 29th September 10:34

The americans are higher ranked, which would suggest they are sticking the ball more consistently close to the flag, so their putts would be easier than ours. Separating putting stats from overall scoring is difficult.

Whether that is material or not, given the matchplay circumstances, I doubt.

Where they do have a distinct advantage is in acclimatisation to the US atmosphere, and the aggressive style of the crowd's support. I imagine Paul Lawrie doesn't enjoy being YeeHaa'd at by a ten thousand fat guys in hockey vests.

The yanks are holing a lot of unusually long putts and when combined with making most of their 10 footers they are scoring low whereas we are not making those longer putts and missing a fair number of 10 footers and so hovering around the par mark.

Westwood was circa 1 over, Hanson and Lawrie were both around level, Colsaerts was reputed to be about 9 under as was Bubba.

Tee to green both teams were much the same but we were mediocre on the greens whereas the yanks were outstanding.

SpeckledJim said:

Alternatively,in some circumstances a great golfer might be able to hit the green in two, a merely good golfer might be drilling a wedge close in three. So the great golfer is on for two putts, when the good golfer is looking for just one. Complicated.

These are all great golfers none are merely good.
They all have tremendous firepower so most par 5's are fair game in two, and now that the rough has been diminished they can all let loose safe in the knowledge that they won't be in too much trouble.

Edited by taaffy on Saturday 29th September 11:03

[SpeckledJim]

taaffy said:

SpeckledJim said:

taaffy said:

ferrisbueller said:

taaffy said:

Our players can putt as well as theirs.

I'm really not sure that's true.

The putting stats for top 50 players on the European and PGA tour websites would say that they are virtually the same.

The range is from circa 27 putts per round for position 1 to circa 29 putts per round for position 50 on both tours.

The confidence that the crowd gives them is massive as it was for us at Celtic Manor.

Edited by taaffy on Saturday 29th September 10:34

The americans are higher ranked, which would suggest they are sticking the ball more consistently close to the flag, so their putts would be easier than ours. Separating putting stats from overall scoring is difficult.

Whether that is material or not, given the matchplay circumstances, I doubt.

Where they do have a distinct advantage is in acclimatisation to the US atmosphere, and the aggressive style of the crowd's support. I imagine Paul Lawrie doesn't enjoy being YeeHaa'd at by a ten thousand fat guys in hockey vests.

The yanks are holing a lot of unusually long putts and when combined with making most of their 10 footers they are scoring low whereas we are not making those longer putts and missing a fair number of 10 footers and so hovering around the par mark.

Westwood was circa 1 over, Hanson and Lawrie were both around level, Colsaerts was reputed to be about 9 under as was Bubba.

Tee to green both teams were much the same but we were mediocre on the greens whereas the yanks were outstanding.

SpeckledJim said:

Alternatively,in some circumstances a great golfer might be able to hit the green in two, a merely good golfer might be drilling a wedge close in three. So the great golfer is on for two putts, when the good golfer is looking for just one. Complicated.

These are all great golfers none are merely good.
They all have tremendous firepower so most par 5's are fair game in two, and now that the rough has been diminished they can all let loose safe in the knowledge that they won't be in too much trouble.

Edited by taaffy on Saturday 29th September 11:03

I'm not disagreeing, just ruminating on the complexities of putting stats in reflecting actal putting ability.

[taaffy]

SpeckledJim said:

taaffy said:

SpeckledJim said:

taaffy said:

ferrisbueller said:

taaffy said:

Our players can putt as well as theirs.

I'm really not sure that's true.

The putting stats for top 50 players on the European and PGA tour websites would say that they are virtually the same.

The range is from circa 27 putts per round for position 1 to circa 29 putts per round for position 50 on both tours.

The confidence that the crowd gives them is massive as it was for us at Celtic Manor.

Edited by taaffy on Saturday 29th September 10:34

The americans are higher ranked, which would suggest they are sticking the ball more consistently close to the flag, so their putts would be easier than ours. Separating putting stats from overall scoring is difficult.

Whether that is material or not, given the matchplay circumstances, I doubt.

Where they do have a distinct advantage is in acclimatisation to the US atmosphere, and the aggressive style of the crowd's support. I imagine Paul Lawrie doesn't enjoy being YeeHaa'd at by a ten thousand fat guys in hockey vests.

The yanks are holing a lot of unusually long putts and when combined with making most of their 10 footers they are scoring low whereas we are not making those longer putts and missing a fair number of 10 footers and so hovering around the par mark.

Westwood was circa 1 over, Hanson and Lawrie were both around level, Colsaerts was reputed to be about 9 under as was Bubba.

Tee to green both teams were much the same but we were mediocre on the greens whereas the yanks were outstanding.

SpeckledJim said:

Alternatively,in some circumstances a great golfer might be able to hit the green in two, a merely good golfer might be drilling a wedge close in three. So the great golfer is on for two putts, when the good golfer is looking for just one. Complicated.

These are all great golfers none are merely good.
They all have tremendous firepower so most par 5's are fair game in two, and now that the rough has been diminished they can all let loose safe in the knowledge that they won't be in too much trouble.

Edited by taaffy on Saturday 29th September 11:03

I'm not disagreeing, just ruminating on the complexities of putting stats in reflecting actal putting ability.

I think it needs to be looked at as putts per greens in regulation rather than putts per round as your point is very valid.
Most if not all of these players are hitting most of the greens in regulation as the rough has no punishment but the yanks are then converting the putts whereas our guys are falling short when it matters most.
If we show the same lacklustre performance again today then I'm afraid it is virtually game over when it comes to sunday's singles.

[Locke]

Can't watch it anymore, american fans are pissing me off too much now.

[y2blade]

RichB said:

The whoopin' an' a hollerin' at every shot is quite off-putting. One wonders where they get their strange habbits from?

Black can man said:

NDA said:

I really dislike the chants of USA USA USA.

All the whooping & "awesome" quotes piss me off

marksx said:

It's the cheering of missed putts and bad shots that is grating on me.

Locke said:

Can't watch it anymore, american fans are pissing me off too much now.

Agree To all of the above^^^^
If I wanted mindless yobs I'd have watched football.

I was really looking forward to this too

[taaffy]

y2blade said:

RichB said:

The whoopin' an' a hollerin' at every shot is quite off-putting. One wonders where they get their strange habbits from?

Black can man said:

NDA said:

I really dislike the chants of USA USA USA.

All the whooping & "awesome" quotes piss me off

marksx said:

It's the cheering of missed putts and bad shots that is grating on me.

Locke said:

Can't watch it anymore, american fans are pissing me off too much now.

Agree To all of the above^^^^
If I wanted mindless yobs I'd have watched football.

I was really looking forward to this too

That's the American sports fan for you and silencing them makes it so satisfying when we have beaten them in their own backyards.... we have won 8 of the last 13 cups and have tied one so the yanks have only won 4 since 1985 but more importantly we have won 6 of the last 8 cups. That aside I don't think we will be bringing the cup back home if we cannot stop this bleeding of points.

A lot of these US fans are not golf fans but sports fans in general but more importantly fiercely patriotic and not afraid to show it.

If we can win this one it will hurt them badly, but I fear the worst after yesterday.

Then again this is Ryder cup and anything can happen.

Edited by taaffy on Saturday 29th September 12:00

[SpeckledJim]

taaffy said:

I think it needs to be looked at as putts per greens in regulation rather than putts per round as your point is very valid.
Most if not all of these players are hitting most of the greens in regulation as the rough has no punishment but the yanks are then converting the putts whereas our guys are falling short when it matters most.
If we show the same lacklustre performance again today then I'm afraid it is virtually game over when it comes to sunday's singles.

Yes. To improve one's putting one should practise putting.

To improve one's putting statistics, one should practise iron approaches, pitching, chipping and bunker shots...

[Robbo66]

SpeckledJim said:

Yes. To improve one's putting one should practise putting.

To improve one's putting statistics, one should practise iron approaches, pitching, chipping and bunker shots...

This...in a nutshell


Poulter posturing and sticks it straight in a bunker.
Rose with a superb shot to offer Poulter a short putt. If he could just concentrate , he would be a contender for s major .

Edited by Robbo66 on Saturday 29th September 13:43

[taaffy]

SpeckledJim said:

taaffy said:

I think it needs to be looked at as putts per greens in regulation rather than putts per round as your point is very valid.
Most if not all of these players are hitting most of the greens in regulation as the rough has no punishment but the yanks are then converting the putts whereas our guys are falling short when it matters most.
If we show the same lacklustre performance again today then I'm afraid it is virtually game over when it comes to sunday's singles.

Yes. To improve one's putting one should practise putting.

To improve one's putting statistics, one should practise iron approaches, pitching, chipping and bunker shots...

Think of it this way..

The determining factor in how bad your worst scores will be is the quality of your long game.
The determining factor in how low you can score is the quality of your short game.
Roughly 50% of most shots in a round are played from 120 yards in to the pin so it is paramount that you practice from that distance the most.

It has been proven when a tour player and an 18 handicap golfer play a round of golf together that the short game is where it counts most.
Both players play the 1st and 2nd shots then they swap over and finish each others shots to the hole. The tour player beat the 18 handicapper.
Now bear in mind that for 90% of the round that 18 handicap golfer would be either on the green or near it from the tour players shots and the tour player could be anywhere from the choppers shots, you then see how important the short game is.

As an ex golf pro myself I always stress to anyone that practice from 120 yds is where they should be spending most of their effort and time if they want to improve. Most don't listen as all they want to do is batter their drivers.

Edited by taaffy on Saturday 29th September 13:47

[hornetrider]

Drive for show. Putt for dough.

/nutshell

[GTO-3R]

My mate Simon is refereeing the Garcia group just gone off. Spoke to him and he said the course is fair to both teams. There is no excuse with the players these days, they all play in the states and know what the courses are like. Westwoods short comings with the wedges and flat stick are being shown here, he's awful with a putter.

[Moley RUFC]

Can someone explain how the messages in the sky are made? Unbelievable

[taaffy]

GTO-3R said:

My mate Simon is refereeing the Garcia group just gone off. Spoke to him and he said the course is fair to both teams. There is no excuse with the players these days, they all play in the states and know what the courses are like. Westwoods short comings with the wedges and flat stick are being shown here, he's awful with a putter.

Westwood was shocking. For that calibre of player he made some basic errors.
Hope simon brings you home some goodies.

[g3rrd]

While it is very impressive golf from Keegan Bradley his "enthusiasm" is starting to get on my nerves

[hornetrider]

Shocker from Poulter there. Missed an empty net.

[taaffy]

Westwood again looking a bit flat ..

[GTO-3R]

The chunky get who's just given Sergio that ruling is my bud

[taaffy]

GTO-3R said:

The chunky get who's just given Sergio that ruling is my bud

People will do anything to get on the telly ...