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im

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34,302 posts

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As he'll probably have to play someone of stature in the semi next time like Nadal.

Discuss.

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OneDs

1,562 posts

61 months

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I think conditions, Olympics & Lendl have given him the edge to win this Slam, however I also believe that's all he needs to go on and win more, It's obvious his style suits the US more than the others, so I think he'll do multiple US Opens perhaps an Aus and maybe just maybe a Wimbledon if the draw works for him, French he would have to be lucky, Roger & Novak would be gagging for more French wins if Rafa is not around, and if he is then I don't see anyone getting past a fit Rafa at Roland Garros. given his strike rate at getting to finals in the first place I think he'll have enough "opportunities" in the next 3 years to bag at least one more per year and up his 20% strike rate thus far.

HotRod32

62 posts

30 months

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Now Andy has 'got the monkey off his back' I am sure he'll go on to win more 'slams'...

Make no mistake Djokovic was at his best last night and was beaten fair and square by the better man on the night...

MadMullah

4,857 posts

78 months

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whilst i do think Novak was in his prime i do think if nadal was fit and firing and the roger was back in prime andy wouldnt be winnin

i'm not hating on andy i just think them two are just so ahead or maybe were.


HotRod32

62 posts

30 months

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All Murray can do is beat those in front of him...

That is what has done for the last fortnight... So he's the champion this year...

If Rafa is unfit or Roger is off colour that's not his 'problem'...
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im

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34,302 posts

102 months

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Well he's clearly closed the gap...

...but whether thats due to a down-turn on the part Federer/Djoko and an injury to Nadal or an actual improvement by Murray we'll find out next year.

But winning the Olympics was a boost - no doubt about it.

prand

3,288 posts

81 months

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MadMullah said:
whilst i do think Novak was in his prime i do think if nadal was fit and firing and the roger was back in prime andy wouldnt be winnin

i'm not hating on andy i just think them two are just so ahead or maybe were.
But an injured Nadal cannot play tennis and win Grand Slams. What an absurd, idiotic thread.

Murray is finally reaching the peak of his power, Nadal (due to injury), Federer, and perhaps Djokovic are past theirs. There is nobody else to beat Murray so why cannot he be good enough to win competitions?

I'm not a huge fan of Murray, but I always thought his time will come. He will not care if he is winning, so why should we?

Vocal Minority

3,683 posts

37 months

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prand said:
Murray is finally reaching the peak of his power, Nadal (due to injury), Federer, and perhaps Djokovic are past theirs. There is nobody else to beat Murray so why cannot he be good enough to win competitions?
Because it is a way of not having to admit they were wrong...

DJRC

22,026 posts

121 months

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Novak is 1 weeks younger than AM. So those 2 look set to dominate for a while yet.

Will Rafa ever come back as fit and strong as he was before? Its been a cpl of yrs since we last saw him fully fit.

The Fed is in relative decline. That just means he currently is one of the best ever to play the game, not the best ever to play it. He will retire within the next 2 seasons and current betting over here is that it will be the end of next season. Blick and the 20 Minuten have been dropping hints for a while.

im

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34,302 posts

102 months

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I've really set myself up for a thumping with the name of this thread haven't I?

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stuttgartmetal

6,793 posts

101 months

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Once the threshold of winning an F1 race has been crossed, drivers seem to all of a sudden win more.
They know how to do it.
I don't think the xperience will be any less in tennis, and hope Andy goes onto win more.

His Wimbledon speech after losing completely changed my idea of him.
He's got balls.

Justayellowbadge

33,562 posts

127 months

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prand said:
But an injured Nadal cannot play tennis and win Grand Slams. What an absurd, idiotic thread.

Murray is finally reaching the peak of his power, Nadal (due to injury), Federer, and perhaps Djokovic are past theirs. There is nobody else to beat Murray so why cannot he be good enough to win competitions?

I'm not a huge fan of Murray, but I always thought his time will come. He will not care if he is winning, so why should we?
This. I suspect that even on his best day, which may well be yet to come, Murray will never be quite good enough to have beaten Federer or Nadal at their absolute peak.

But timing being as it is, he does seem now to have a window where Djokovic will be his only real competition.

He won't be Sampras or Federer, but he will be the number 1 in the world, at least briefly.

el stovey

15,029 posts

148 months

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stuttgartmetal said:
Once the threshold of winning an F1 race has been crossed, drivers seem to all of a sudden win more.
They know how to do it.
I don't think the xperience will be any less in tennis, and hope Andy goes onto win more.
Like I said before, Murray reminds me a lot of Mika Hakinnen. Both great at their sport with no obvious flaws except they perhaps lacked self belief and just took a while to get that first elusive grand slam/drivers championship.

I expect this win will propel him upwards to more Grand Slams.

Justices

2,919 posts

49 months

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Oh im.... biggrin

Let's start with, the fittest man on tour is Andy Murray without a shadow of a doubt. His fitness has been so consistent for the last few years and he hasn't had a major injury. His only issue was standing up to Federer, Nadal and Novak in the Slams, and that's all in the mind. Murray's game is complete, it has been for a long time. He just needed the win on the biggest stage of all and nobody can teach you how to do it, you have to step up and learn by competing. When you want it as badly as he does, it becomes a question of learning not to fear losing and, importantly, not to fear winning. But it is very difficult to do at this level because you are very likely going to be staring down the court at someone who has done is multi times and isn't going to be giving you any charity to help you win your first.

Rafa is obviously very good but only has one style of game and that game takes a very heavy toll on the body. He is like a race car that puts in top qualifying times and amazing hot laps, but to get those results components are overwhelmed through lack of mechanical sympathy. Andy, Federer and Novak can ALL hit serves considerable faster than they do, could chase down every single ball that crosses the net and play with 100% power and speed at all time. They don't because their games are far more complete than Rafa's and they don't need to rely on running their bodies into the ground to win. Rafa's entire game is based on operating at 100%, 100% of the time. It will get the results but there won't be longevity because the body cannot handle that kind of abuse. Not taking anything away from him by saying this but he was only ever going to last a relatively short period of time. There is no game B and once game A cannot be implemented it's going to be a very quick and painful slide down the rankings. Arrive in a blaze of glory, leave the same way. That's the best option. He really won't want to finish his career hobbling off the court.

As for Lendl.. no. Once again it's ALL down to Dani Vallverdu, but Lendl being a former Slam champion makes for a better headline.

Andy is going to win his second Slam in 2013 but I might take a punt on him taking 2-3 of them. The great thing about Andy is his game allows him to be title contender on all surfaces and he can beat Roger/Novak/Nadal on any. Nadal would be favourite on clay, naturally, but I believe Andy could hold his own and take him in straights or 4 sets. His fitness and shot-making ability really are right up there. It's just great to see it all come together.

Robbo66

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118 months

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Justices, brilliant, you are either a bored housewife with a fixation or have to be to part of their PR team wink

I have played singles for years and it's plain that Murray is fit, hugely fit. Great to see. His fitness won it for him, as Djoko was flat out and his serve went totally.

As someone pointed out, he won. Simple. He played who was in front of him and won, much respect.

He also overcame the usual ebb and flow that comes and goes through every match, and when Djoko tired, he didn't.

He also crucially won first 2 sets, played superb defence and serve, forcing Djoko to slice ....short.

Whether people like him or not, whether he feigns injury, shows immaturity under pressure and looks like he's opening a tax demand when winning his first major matters not. He won. Well done.

JNW1

1,527 posts

79 months

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im said:
As he'll probably have to play someone of stature in the semi next time like Nadal.

Discuss.

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LOL! You really are a wind-up merchant im! I'll admit it took longer than I thought to prove that the title of your previous thread was a load of tosh but I thought you'd at least have the good grace to finally accept you were wrong and move on!

There's nothing lucky about beating Djokovic over 5 sets and the best part of 5 hours and of course he'll win more Grand Slams, the only question is how many. Yes Federer will retire within a couple of years and perhaps Nadal will be forced to stop sooner than he'd like but Andy can only beat who's in front of him and I can certainly see him having a year or so at number one. He won't go down as an all-time great but he's an excellent player and fully deserves the success he's getting at the moment. However, I'm sure you know all of this already and just like provoking debate with a controversial thread or two! wink

JNW1

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Justices said:
As for Lendl.. no. Once again it's ALL down to Dani Vallverdu, but Lendl being a former Slam champion makes for a better headline.
I agree with most of your post but not the comment above! I think it would be completely wrong to try to give Lendl all the credit for Murray's recent success but to say it's "ALL down to Dani Vallverdu" implies Lendl's contributed nothing and surely that can't be right? Murray himself has been quick to acknowledge the part Lendl's played and the improvement in his performances this year have been clear for all to see. Just a coincidence it's happened since Lendl arrived in his corner? Possible but I suspect the truth is that Lendl has been the missing piece in the jigsaw; of course he's only part of "Team Murray" but on the evidence of 2012 he's proved a pretty important part!

MadMullah

4,857 posts

78 months

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Don't get me wrong I'm not saying muray doesn't deserve it or fluked it.

And I do agree with what was said u can only play with what's on front of you. Henman I'm sure would've been a champ at some point if there was no Sampras.

With what is on the tour at the moment it's either Novak or andy for me as the finalists barring a bad day at the office or some wunderkid that shows up.

davepoth

23,174 posts

84 months

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At that level, it's a head game more than anything. And up until now I don't think he's had it in his head that he can win a grand slam, even though he probably had the tennis skills to do it.

Now he's won one, and won one in about the toughest way possible, he knows it's no harder than winning a semi-final, or a first round game.

Justices

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49 months

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Robbo66 said:
Justices, brilliant, you are either a bored housewife with a fixation or have to be to part of their PR team wink
Nope. Neither, thankfully. Just know the game and players far better than most. I've called virtually every step of Andy's and other players because I am confident I know very well what they are capable. In terms of their physical ability, mental ability and of course the other deciding factor in success, their hunger, I just know who has it and who doesn't.

As for Lendl, yes there is obviously some input but Andy was always going to win a slam this year regardless. I would question hiring someone who lost 5 Slam finals to help me get my first one that's for sure. Lendl, in my opinion, just happened to be a good face that was hired in time for the party. The man that's always put in the phenomenal hard work week in, week out is the one that doesn't get even half the credit he deserves in public. Everyone on tour knows who really does what in each player's setup. What is presented to the public is often something very different.
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