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Good to see Murray play a good tournament but for christ sake his team need to stop working on his defence and sort out the first serve and Crank up the ground stroke power...its there he just hardly ever goes for big winners. Its not the shot to play always but he got beaten today because he tried to defend every point waiting for an error and because he couldn't buy a first serve in the first few sets. Stan then changed his return tactics and chopped returns and then waited for the murray short ball and bang.
I don't think he got more than 5 or 6 free points in the whole match, thats not going to win you grand slams.
I don't think he got more than 5 or 6 free points in the whole match, thats not going to win you grand slams.
k up. Really getting on my tits.
Horsey McHorseface said:
Ostapenko hits faster forehands than the men's world #1
(women use lighter balls though)
Murray plays with a lot more variety than the other main guys on tour so his average is lower. Don't think for a minute Murray can't hit a big forehand. Murray hit one of the fastest shots on tour in 2011 at Cincinnati when he clubbed a forehand past Mardy Fish @ 124mph.
Ostapenko is a fabulous ball striker and plays 100% aggressive. Murray can serve 145mph and hit 100mph+ FHs should he choose to, he just hits lower for margin and safety. If you ever play tennis at a decent level, you want to add a bit of safety and margin in your rallies rather than go all out Ball bashing.
By slagging off Murray I'm guessing you're still stinging from teenager Murray's comments about England football team
Easily one of the most dominant slam finals against one of the most dangerous players I can remember in the past few years. Nadal was so in control of everything, amazing to watch.
Regarding the above, Murray definitely has trouble accelerating his forehand when he needs to end the point. Especially down the line, he can play the hook crosscourt quite well but his grip and swing doesn't allow for great pace.
Regarding the above, Murray definitely has trouble accelerating his forehand when he needs to end the point. Especially down the line, he can play the hook crosscourt quite well but his grip and swing doesn't allow for great pace.
Babw said:
Easily one of the most dominant slam finals against one of the most dangerous players I can remember in the past few years. Nadal was so in control of everything, amazing to watch.
Regarding the above, Murray definitely has trouble accelerating his forehand when he needs to end the point. Especially down the line, he can play the hook crosscourt quite well but his grip and swing doesn't allow for great pace.
I thought Nadal was pretty faultless but I don't think he played spectacular tennis for all of the match. Stan didn't pull the trigger and commit like he did against Murray and he had opportunity too but looked jaded, so it did flatter Nadal a little. One thing you have to applaud with Nadal though is he has total belief in executing all his shots and the top spin he gets with pace is awesome. Regarding the above, Murray definitely has trouble accelerating his forehand when he needs to end the point. Especially down the line, he can play the hook crosscourt quite well but his grip and swing doesn't allow for great pace.
Agree about Murray's struggle to accelerate his forehand, even more so lately as he's pushing rather than hitting into corners from mid court...his hooked cross court is good but its still not taking players out as much as it should so pace is lacking...he started to get the balance right in 2012-2013 but its all gone too defensive again...but he is incredible defensively.
I'm not sure Murray can change that much at this stage of his career, but he has to force himself to be more aggressive again, sort his service rhythm out and he can't be putting the margin of error in that he is at the moment, not against the best.
He nearly always reminds me of an amateur playing golf....always one part of the game thats not firing on all cylinders, frustrates the hell out me because when he gets it all going on occasion he is something else. Still appreciate just how bloody good all these guys are though whenever I play.
amare32 said:
Horsey McHorseface said:
Ostapenko hits faster forehands than the men's world #1
(women use lighter balls though)
Murray plays with a lot more variety than the other main guys on tour so his average is lower. Don't think for a minute Murray can't hit a big forehand. Murray hit one of the fastest shots on tour in 2011 at Cincinnati when he clubbed a forehand past Mardy Fish @ 124mph.
Ostapenko is a fabulous ball striker and plays 100% aggressive. Murray can serve 145mph and hit 100mph+ FHs should he choose to, he just hits lower for margin and safety. If you ever play tennis at a decent level, you want to add a bit of safety and margin in your rallies rather than go all out Ball bashing.
By slagging off Murray I'm guessing you're still stinging from teenager Murray's comments about England football team
amare32 said:
It's easy to look at the big numbers and come to that conclusion.
Murray plays with a lot more variety than the other main guys on tour so his average is lower. Don't think for a minute Murray can't hit a big forehand. Murray hit one of the fastest shots on tour in 2011 at Cincinnati when he clubbed a forehand past Mardy Fish @ 124mph.
Ostapenko is a fabulous ball striker and plays 100% aggressive. Murray can serve 145mph and hit 100mph+ FHs should he choose to, he just hits lower for margin and safety. If you ever play tennis at a decent level, you want to add a bit of safety and margin in your rallies rather than go all out Ball bashing.
By slagging off Murray I'm guessing you're still stinging from teenager Murray's comments about England football team
True enough that Murray has far more variety in his game than others ( Djokovic and Fed aside) but he doesn't use the power he possesses as he's too busy playing the odds. It works great against 95% of the guys out there but the top players don't make the errors and nearly always pull the trigger first even though Murray has the chances so often....I just wish he would gamble that bit more at times, not Ostapenko like but take the pressure off himself and to keep the opponent guessing even more. Murray plays with a lot more variety than the other main guys on tour so his average is lower. Don't think for a minute Murray can't hit a big forehand. Murray hit one of the fastest shots on tour in 2011 at Cincinnati when he clubbed a forehand past Mardy Fish @ 124mph.
Ostapenko is a fabulous ball striker and plays 100% aggressive. Murray can serve 145mph and hit 100mph+ FHs should he choose to, he just hits lower for margin and safety. If you ever play tennis at a decent level, you want to add a bit of safety and margin in your rallies rather than go all out Ball bashing.
By slagging off Murray I'm guessing you're still stinging from teenager Murray's comments about England football team
Horsey McHorseface said:
amare32 said:
Horsey McHorseface said:
Ostapenko hits faster forehands than the men's world #1
(women use lighter balls though)
Murray plays with a lot more variety than the other main guys on tour so his average is lower. Don't think for a minute Murray can't hit a big forehand. Murray hit one of the fastest shots on tour in 2011 at Cincinnati when he clubbed a forehand past Mardy Fish @ 124mph.
Ostapenko is a fabulous ball striker and plays 100% aggressive. Murray can serve 145mph and hit 100mph+ FHs should he choose to, he just hits lower for margin and safety. If you ever play tennis at a decent level, you want to add a bit of safety and margin in your rallies rather than go all out Ball bashing.
By slagging off Murray I'm guessing you're still stinging from teenager Murray's comments about England football team
I'm sure most ordinary people can't even win more than 2-3 points playing a set against Murray let alone dealing with his 'pushing'. That includes you and I.
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