The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters

[nickofh]

z4RRSchris99 said:

I have a hats an escort, you have to shoot 28g or more otherwise it sometimes doesn't cycle

I think that's the case with most semi's. The recoil is needed to load the next cartridge and anything under 28g doesn't give enough of a kick to make it cycle.

[nickofh]

smack said:

I would go for an EOTech, just brought a few back from the US for mates, and one is now on a shotgun.

I will check them out , thanks for the suggestion :-)

[smack]

nickofh said:

smack said:

I would go for an EOTech, just brought a few back from the US for mates, and one is now on a shotgun.

I will check them out , thanks for the suggestion :-)

If you do practical shotgun they work well - most of my friends have them on rifles for rapid fire type competitions, for rapid target acquisition, and they are parallax free which normal Red Dots are not.
Same reason Police/Military use them.

[z4RRSchris99]

spent the morning at EJ Churchill, caddied round

really nice ground with great targets but never like having some smug chap standing behind you telling you how bad you're shooting

[MrsMiggins]

I went shooting for the first time at Seal's Cove just outside Aberdeen a couple of weeks ago. Managed to hit 11 out of 25 so reasonably pleased as I've never shot before.

Really enjoyed it and plan to go again another few times to see if it's really for me before I start thinking about guns, licences etc.

[giblet]

Tonsko said:

Did the instructor talk about sight picture, mounting and stance?

Tbh, I'm trying to learn to shoot gun down, but find it easier to hit gun up (as in already mounted) as I have already got the sight picture sorted out. The disadvantage here is that if you don't know where exactly the clay is coming from, it's harder to see in your periphery!

So, at risk of teaching you to suck eggs (and bear in mind that this is how I understand it, I'm no expert, still missing loads - willing to be shown to be wrong!), the sight picture is a triangle between your eye, the breach-end of the rib and the front bead.

When you mount your gun, the idea is to make all three line up as much as possible, so that you see the rib as parallel lines converging on the front bead - the shot should travel where you're looking/pointing. If the breach is below your eye, then the gun will be at an angle - whilst you may be pointing in the right place, the shot will travel above the target.

Thanks for the advice. The instructor discussed stance and mounting but as there was a large group of us we didn't get that much time per person. I'm hoping to head down again in a few weeks on my own to have another go and spend some more time discussing things before pulling the trigger. It's something I want to get into but finding the time to do so is difficult at the moment.

[mrmr96]

Tonsko said:

Make sure you buy a chamber safe marker to show everyone it's not loaded while on a shoot. They take no time at all to remove. Looks like this:

That's a 'breech open' flag not a 'chamber empty' flag. I'm sure you can see how it would be possible to have a cartridge in the chamber and then put that breech flag behind it? It would mean the gun was ready to fire as soon as the flag is removed and the breech closed.

There are better flags available in my opinion which will actually show the CHAMBER is empty. For example TAPCO do a chamber safety tool, and also Napier do one.

Tapco


Napier

[mrmr96]

Ps, for a pump I'd recommend the tapco chamber safety tool as it is held in the chamber by friction. The Napier auto safe is held in by the spring pressure if the bolt trying to move forward. This works great on a semi auto because the bolt is sprung, but won't work so well on a pump which isn't sprung.

[nickofh]

I will get one or the other for my pump ( probably which ever is cheapest ) , I think that one of these combined with care & general gun safety should be enough.

[minghis]

So, just to add my bit to this thread, and it may be entirely irrelevent to all those except the odd one that knows what I'm talking about, apparently Eley Subs are in very short supply and difficult to get hold of, so I ended up with some 'new' Winchester Subs - 42Max apparently, whatever they are.

It remains to be seen how good they are, and I'll update in a week or two when I've made the switch from HV's back to subs now the autumn is approaching fast.

As you were.

[Iang84]

Tonsko said:

Ah - I had no idea of the correct name. I think I see what you mean - that yellow bit actually sticks into the gun? Still would be impossible to fire with the breech open wouldn't it?

Edited by Tonsko on Sunday 17th August 12:07

It would but there is always a chance that with a chambered round that when you remove the breech open guard the bolt/slide going back into place can knock the shell and set it off, its probably incredibly rare but I wouldn't want to be near if it did happen

[GravelBen]

minghis said:

...ended up with some 'new' Winchester Subs - 42Max apparently, whatever they are.

It remains to be seen how good they are, and I'll update in a week or two when I've made the switch from HV's back to subs now the autumn is approaching fast.

Have heard they're very effective on rabbits, possums etc. I use the 40gr Win subs which are a lot cheaper, my 22 likes them and they knock bunnies over fine as well.

[FurtiveFreddy]

Iang84 said:

It would but there is always a chance that with a chambered round that when you remove the breech open guard the bolt/slide going back into place can knock the shell and set it off, its probably incredibly rare but I wouldn't want to be near if it did happen

I have never seen or heard of it happening and you're right that it would be incredibly rare, but for it to happen, the firing pin would have to stuck out at the very least, which is extremely unlikely given the way shotguns are designed.

Theoretically, you would also run the same risk every time you loaded any sort of gun and closed the action. Can't say the thought of it happening ever crosses my mind but that's why the barrel is always pointing in a safe direction and that's the thing we should always be remembering.

Incidentally (and not meaning to be pedantic), a 'breech open' indicator is accepted as an indication your shotgun is 'safe' in most situations, because the point of it is to indicate the gun is not ready to fire. It is the shooter's/RO's responsibility to ensure the chamber was empty before the indicator was inserted and also to ensure it is not removed until RO's command to do so.

[minghis]

GravelBen said:

Have heard they're very effective on rabbits, possums etc. I use the 40gr Win subs which are a lot cheaper, my 22 likes them and they knock bunnies over fine as well.

Funny thing is the 'new' ones were cheaper than the original 40 grain ones - £42.50 per 500 for the new versus £49.99 for the original. Weird.

[mrmr96]

FurtiveFreddy said:

Iang84 said:

It would but there is always a chance that with a chambered round that when you remove the breech open guard the bolt/slide going back into place can knock the shell and set it off, its probably incredibly rare but I wouldn't want to be near if it did happen

I have never seen or heard of it happening and you're right that it would be incredibly rare, but for it to happen, the firing pin would have to stuck out at the very least, which is extremely unlikely given the way shotguns are designed.

Theoretically, you would also run the same risk every time you loaded any sort of gun and closed the action. Can't say the thought of it happening ever crosses my mind but that's why the barrel is always pointing in a safe direction and that's the thing we should always be remembering.

Incidentally (and not meaning to be pedantic), a 'breech open' indicator is accepted as an indication your shotgun is 'safe' in most situations, because the point of it is to indicate the gun is not ready to fire. It is the shooter's/RO's responsibility to ensure the chamber was empty before the indicator was inserted and also to ensure it is not removed until RO's command to do so.

Some comp rules require the chamber style flag. Outside of those situations it can be said to be personal preferance. I prefer the chamber clear style but I was mostly posting to make the guy aware of the differences so he can consider his own choice.

[mrmr96]

... Yeah and that!!

[Jem0911]

Some Spaces tomorrow available at Churchill's
http://shootclaycup.com/

[Iang84]

[quote=FurtiveFreddy
I have never seen or heard of it happening and you're right that it would be incredibly rare, but for it to happen, the firing pin would have to stuck out at the very least, which is extremely unlikely given the way shotguns are designed.

Theoretically, you would also run the same risk every time you loaded any sort of gun and closed the action. Can't say the thought of it happening ever crosses my mind but that's why the barrel is always pointing in a safe direction and that's the thing we should always be remembering.

Incidentally (and not meaning to be pedantic), a 'breech open' indicator is accepted as an indication your shotgun is 'safe' in most situations, because the point of it is to indicate the gun is not ready to fire. It is the shooter's/RO's responsibility to ensure the chamber was empty before the indicator was inserted and also to ensure it is not removed until RO's command to do so.
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I don't know about the pin design on shotguns having never actually fired/examined one, I have only shot rifles here (UK) and an occasional handgun when in the US, admittedly I have only seen videos of competition prepared pistols where the slide has flicked into place and fired a primary round I can only assume that it has happened due to changing the workings of the action to enable it to fire at an increased rate, but as you said good practice should be followed regardless of whether you believe you have an empty chamber.

[vossy26]

After a taster session at Ashcombe clay ground I decided I'd like to turn it into a hobby, so I filled in my shotgun licence application last week and had my visit from the FEO today. She was happy with the cabinet I had installed and she said just have to wait for it to turn up now, could be up to a month or so (Devon & Cornwall).

So the hunt for my first gun begins! I'm looking at spending up to £1000, but hopefully nearer to £800.
Can anyone with some experience point me in the right direction?
I'm about 5ft7, average build. I want the gun to be able to be used by my partner who is smaller than me.

Would a silver pigeon suit my frame?
Miroku?

[NDA]

vossy26 said:

After a taster session at Ashcombe clay ground I decided I'd like to turn it into a hobby, so I filled in my shotgun licence application last week and had my visit from the FEO today. She was happy with the cabinet I had installed and she said just have to wait for it to turn up now, could be up to a month or so (Devon & Cornwall).

So the hunt for my first gun begins! I'm looking at spending up to £1000, but hopefully nearer to £800.
Can anyone with some experience point me in the right direction?
I'm about 5ft7, average build. I want the gun to be able to be used by my partner who is smaller than me.

Would a silver pigeon suit my frame?
Miroku?

I'd go for a Silver Pigeon every time - massively reliable. Maybe a 20 O/U?