The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters

[Pesty]

Ahh yes looks very nice. Doesn't seem to have etched glass that the Hawks makes a deal about. Looking around vortex do have a good reputation Hawks hit and miss however that is hawkers top range.

All very complicated .

[FurtiveFreddy]

Pesty said:

Ahh yes looks very nice. Doesn't seem to have etched glass that the Hawks makes a deal about. Looking around vortex do have a good reputation Hawks hit and miss however that is hawkers top range.

All very complicated .

The reticle is important and it seems the particular USP with that scope is the 0.1 MOA gaps in each cross, which is something that could be useful, but that's very dependent on the type of target you're going to be aiming at and the amount of magnification you use.

As Stang says, Vortex is currently a very popular manufacturer and really good value.

I've had a reasonable collection of scopes past and present including Hawke, Vortex, Nikon, Leupold, S&B, Nightforce, March (this happens after a few years shooting!) and I would always recommend going along to a shop and looking through a selection of different scopes before making a final choice, because it's the only way you're going to know which one's right for you. Take into account optical clarity, eye relief, performance in low light at full magnification, how easy it might be to lose zero or be a turn out on the turrets, all the things that will be important when you start using it.

[Pesty]

Thanks.

Question about magnification. Shooting out to 600 yards maximum what sort of magnification would one need.

Maximum the hawkes in that range are 15 or 30 that vortex is 20

I'm going with the guys either this Sunday or next to a 600 yard range. While,I won't be able to shoot Hopefully I'll be able to get a site picture with various scopes if that is within the rules.



The place I'll probably be buying from has both hawke and vortex in stock I'll take a look one day next time I'm in the area.

[FurtiveFreddy]

Pesty said:

Thanks.

Question about magnification. Shooting out to 600 yards maximum what sort of magnification would one need.

Maximum the hawkes in that range are 15 or 30 that vortex is 20

I'm going with the guys either this Sunday or next to a 600 yard range. While,I won't be able to shoot Hopefully I'll be able to get a site picture with various scopes if that is within the rules.

The place I'll probably be buying from has both hawke and vortex in stock I'll take a look one day next time I'm in the area.

Again, it really does depend on the sort of target you'll be shooting at. I've shot an F Class target at 1000 yds (that's a 10 inch diameter bull) with a 25x mag scope and got the same score as with my 50x mag scope. In Civilian Service Rifle (service optic class) we shoot up to 600 yds and in service optic class the maximum power allowed is 4.5x, but the scoring rings are that much bigger than F Class.

To cover all bases, I'd say you should be looking at a magnification range of 10-25x maybe, although a max. mag. of 15x or 20x might be OK for what you want. The other thing to consider is whether you're likely to 'dial the wind' or hold off using the reticle. That's going to dictate whether you choose a complex calibrated reticle or tactical style turrets you can quickly dial changes into.

Yes, a lot to think about!

[Pesty]

Thanks big help freddy. I'll find out more about targets when we go up there.

I'd 'thought' about this already which is why I liked the reticle on that hawke and the vortex too.

If I'm understanding you correct I would zero the rifle at 100 yards then leave the thing alone and use the aiming points for holdover and windage. That's how it works in my imagination from reading anyway. So far I've only been shooting at 25 and 50 meters.

If I don't I would need to zero it at every range after firing a few shots and spotting yes?

My experience in shooting is all pistols with a rifles thrown in while abroad so,this scope thing is all new.

Wait till I start asking about reloading. So much stuff, lots of shiney things to buy,

Edited by Pesty on Wednesday 2nd March 16:39

[FurtiveFreddy]

Pesty said:

Thanks big help freddy. I'll find out more about targets when we go up there.

If I'm understanding you correct I would zero the rifle at 100 yards then leave the thing alone and use the aiming points for holdover and windage. That's how it works in my imagination from reading anyway. So far I've only been shooting at 25 and 50 meters.

If I don't I would need to zero it at every range after firing a few shots and spotting yes?

Yep, that's about it. Some use a combination of dialling in the elevation and using the reticle for the windage. Or you can dial in the initial windage and then make hold off corrections for lulls and gusts. All depends which ways work for you best and also how much time between shots you have to think about it, make calculations, check your DOPE, make adjustments etc.

Using a reticle for both elevation and windage hold-offs will get a bit complicated and will result in more mistakes being made, so I would probably say it's better to go with a scope with nice turrets so you can start off dialling in the corrections and get used to how MOA/MILs work and how much difference a click or two makes on the target.

One final thing - it's really difficult to be precise using a reticle, unless you've got a lot of magnification, good optics and a very fine reticle and that combination will be hard to find on a £500 scope.

[Pesty]

Ahh well that has just answered one question. I've noticed some scopes don't have anything for windage I was wondering about that.

As mostly I will only have 50 meters better glass can come later. ( I know the old saying but I want my shiney rifle just because )

Anyway will take a look at some

[Wobbly]

Some gratuitous gun porn.

DSR .50 and two DSR .308

[RedLeicester]

Those poor rabbits. Lovely things but dear god are they expensive.

Edited by RedLeicester on Tuesday 8th March 09:43

[-Pete-]

RedLeicester said:

Those poor rabbits. Lovely things but dear god are they expensive.

Rabbits?

[Turn7]

My local clay ground are putting this on:




Seems like very good value to me.

[z4RRSchris]

I don't fly in till the afternoon otherwise would have been keen.

rather like AGL

[un1corn]

Has this thread died?

I've got a quick Q about clay shooting.

How is it to go alone? I've shot target rifles at range years ago, but getting a Sec1 is difficult, there's no local clubs or ranges.

Alsways fancied the idea of owning my own firearms, so shotguns with clay seems a logical choice.

I assume you can go alone? Take your own gun and ammo, pay the club for some clays and then I assume you tell the machine to fire, and when it's ready, it'll ping a clay off?

I like the idea of going in the summer, loose off a few shells, have a bit of a picnic and cup of tea and enjoy the outdoors a bit.

[Mr Trophy]

un1corn said:

Has this thread died?

I've got a quick Q about clay shooting.

How is it to go alone? I've shot target rifles at range years ago, but getting a Sec1 is difficult, there's no local clubs or ranges.

Alsways fancied the idea of owning my own firearms, so shotguns with clay seems a logical choice.

I assume you can go alone? Take your own gun and ammo, pay the club for some clays and then I assume you tell the machine to fire, and when it's ready, it'll ping a clay off?

I like the idea of going in the summer, loose off a few shells, have a bit of a picnic and cup of tea and enjoy the outdoors a bit.

Haven't done it myself, but my club as mic that you shout "pull" and the clays come from anywhere, so, yes it's possibly to go alone - always good to have someone there with you though

[RedLeicester]

You don't need an FAC for a shotgun. You need an SGC. Either are easy to get - SGC is simply a case of filling in the form and providing a referee. Section 1 FAC is similarly just a form, but you need to provide a good reason to own one: club membership would be a good reason (assuming you're only asking for target shooting) or obviously permissions / booked stalking for anything else.

[Turn7]

un1corn said:

Has this thread died?

I've got a quick Q about clay shooting.

How is it to go alone? I've shot target rifles at range years ago, but getting a Sec1 is difficult, there's no local clubs or ranges.

Alsways fancied the idea of owning my own firearms, so shotguns with clay seems a logical choice.

I assume you can go alone? Take your own gun and ammo, pay the club for some clays and then I assume you tell the machine to fire, and when it's ready, it'll ping a clay off?

I like the idea of going in the summer, loose off a few shells, have a bit of a picnic and cup of tea and enjoy the outdoors a bit.

Alot of the permanent clay grounds use the claymate auto sytem, so you can shoot alone,. It allows singles or doubles, as a following or simultaneous, with a three secind beep before release.

Sunday shoots, youd more then likely just tag onto a group so somone else can button and score for you.

Do it, its fun.

[MKnight702]

OOOh I like the muzzle brake on the middle DSR Wobbly!

Perhaps I should get one for my Mosin M38, then I could really annoy the people shooting either side of me!! Not that I don't get those stares already, but frankly the gun is too much fun so I don't care!

[handpaper]

I knew PH would have a thread like this somewhere! It's been a long read, but very interesting.

My sons and I shot a few days last autumn with a couple of cousins of mine at a farm near Pontypool. Shotgun & clays mainly, with a bit of .22 rimfire. Lots of fun, not too expensive.
Looking to get a bit more into it with our own guns as there are appear to be a few good clay grounds local to us (Newport).
Picked up a 6-gun cabinet last weekend, filling out SGC applications now. We have an excellent referee in the person of the secretary of our local FT airgun club; we've been going there for over 5 years.
The boys are 16 & 18; the law is 'interesting'. It appears both boys can hold SGC, own guns and ammunition, shoot independently, and have access to the cabinet (know where keys are kept etc.), but the younger cannot own or independently use an airgun. Odd.


http://content.met.police.uk/Site/firearmslicensin...

Any PH shooters in the land of rain and sheep that know of good clay venues?

[Ziplobb]

Anyone on here got a Ruger Precision Rifle ?

[WreckedGecko]

handpaper said:

I knew PH would have a thread like this somewhere! It's been a long read, but very interesting.

My sons and I shot a few days last autumn with a couple of cousins of mine at a farm near Pontypool. Shotgun & clays mainly, with a bit of .22 rimfire. Lots of fun, not too expensive.
Looking to get a bit more into it with our own guns as there are appear to be a few good clay grounds local to us (Newport).
Picked up a 6-gun cabinet last weekend, filling out SGC applications now. We have an excellent referee in the person of the secretary of our local FT airgun club; we've been going there for over 5 years.
The boys are 16 & 18; the law is 'interesting'. It appears both boys can hold SGC, own guns and ammunition, shoot independently, and have access to the cabinet (know where keys are kept etc.), but the younger cannot own or independently use an airgun. Odd.


http://content.met.police.uk/Site/firearmslicensin...

Any PH shooters in the land of rain and sheep that know of good clay venues?

I saw that as well, it is odd, but I guess the idea is that there are "working" reasons to have a shotgun but probably not an airgun.

Also you are less likely to have a 16 year old tarting around in his back garden with a shotgun. Probably...