The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters
Discussion
Don't joke.
He said they were behind in renewals and they take priority over new applications
Which makes sense people will be illegal. I got the impression that July might come and go..... I imagine if they are behind now, more renewals will be coming up all the time so unless they throw bodies still it will always be behind
He said they were behind in renewals and they take priority over new applications
Which makes sense people will be illegal. I got the impression that July might come and go..... I imagine if they are behind now, more renewals will be coming up all the time so unless they throw bodies still it will always be behind
Pesty said:
Don't joke.
He said they were behind in renewals and they take priority over new applications
Which makes sense people will be illegal. I got the impression that July might come and go..... I imagine if they are behind now, more renewals will be coming up all the time so unless they throw bodies still it will always be behind
Indeed.He said they were behind in renewals and they take priority over new applications
Which makes sense people will be illegal. I got the impression that July might come and go..... I imagine if they are behind now, more renewals will be coming up all the time so unless they throw bodies still it will always be behind
Sadly, it just seems most county forces just simply don't have the resources (and aren't interested in putting in any extra resources) to do the job.
I'm so glad that I'm Met......but as I said, by the time I will be renewing I could well be outside the Met., and I dread to think how bad the situation will be by then in Thames Valley/Hants/Sussex/Surrey/Herts&Beds as it will likely be one of those I end up in
If anything, they're losing resources so I can't see how it can get any better in the short term if you are in one of the larger areas such as Thames Valley.
If you are waiting for a renewal and your current ticket runs out, they will issue a temporary permit to allow you to hold your firearms legally, but that doesn't allow you to acquire any more or buy ammo, which is a right pain if it happens in the middle of the shooting season.
If you are waiting for a renewal and your current ticket runs out, they will issue a temporary permit to allow you to hold your firearms legally, but that doesn't allow you to acquire any more or buy ammo, which is a right pain if it happens in the middle of the shooting season.
FurtiveFreddy said:
If anything, they're losing resources so I can't see how it can get any better in the short term if you are in one of the larger areas such as Thames Valley.
If you are waiting for a renewal and your current ticket runs out, they will issue a temporary permit to allow you to hold your firearms legally, but that doesn't allow you to acquire any more or buy ammo, which is a right pain if it happens in the middle of the shooting season.
The temporary permit I was issued by TVP did allow purchase of ammunition (which I did) but just did not allow the purchase or transfer of guns. If you are waiting for a renewal and your current ticket runs out, they will issue a temporary permit to allow you to hold your firearms legally, but that doesn't allow you to acquire any more or buy ammo, which is a right pain if it happens in the middle of the shooting season.
Raddors said:
The temporary permit I was issued by TVP did allow purchase of ammunition (which I did) but just did not allow the purchase or transfer of guns.
I should clarify I was referring to a FAC. I think I'm right in saying you can buy shotgun cartridges with a Section 7 temporary permit, but not ammunition for a rifle etc.Essex are quoting 40 weeks at the moment for the grant of a new certificate and up to 12 weeks just for a variation. That is crazy and I'm sure they are not the worst.
It seems to be reaching crisis point, but I just can't see there being a quick fix.
IMO the renewal price for a SC is too low at £49. I would happily pay more for a better service, although for once every 5 years it's a minor inconvenience.
I'm sure I read somewhere that it costs the old Bill a lot more than the £49 to process a renewal. I don't think licence holders should be subsidised.
I'm sure I read somewhere that it costs the old Bill a lot more than the £49 to process a renewal. I don't think licence holders should be subsidised.
FurtiveFreddy said:
Raddors said:
The temporary permit I was issued by TVP did allow purchase of ammunition (which I did) but just did not allow the purchase or transfer of guns.
I should clarify I was referring to a FAC. I think I'm right in saying you can buy shotgun cartridges with a Section 7 temporary permit, but not ammunition for a rifle etc.Essex are quoting 40 weeks at the moment for the grant of a new certificate and up to 12 weeks just for a variation. That is crazy and I'm sure they are not the worst.
It seems to be reaching crisis point, but I just can't see there being a quick fix.
FurtiveFreddy said:
Essex are quoting 40 weeks at the moment for the grant of a new certificate and up to 12 weeks just for a variation. That is crazy and I'm sure they are not the worst.
It seems to be reaching crisis point, but I just can't see there being a quick fix.
Essex are definitely very bad......40 weeks for a grant is just absurd.It seems to be reaching crisis point, but I just can't see there being a quick fix.
Kent seem to be bad as well, and I saw that the Firearms depts. (as well as some other depts.) of TVP and neighbouring Hants have now been merged to share resources. Share my arse, no doubt, that means they have halved the number of staff to cope with double the area/population. No wonder TVP have a huge backlog.
The cynical could believe it's all a deliberate ploy by the political classes - create such a situation whereby people get fed up and don't bother, thereby killing the sport without the finger being pointed at any specific banning legislation
Raddors said:
The temporary permit I was issued by TVP did allow purchase of ammunition (which I did) but just did not allow the purchase or transfer of guns.
You're lucky though as you target shoot, temporary permits allow neither storage nor purchase of Sec5 ammunition so it has to be lodged with an RFD until the new cert comes through.RedLeicester said:
You're lucky though as you target shoot, temporary permits allow neither storage nor purchase of Sec5 ammunition so it has to be lodged with an RFD until the new cert comes through.
A temporary permit will normally allow you to keep whatever Sec 5 ammo you have but not to purchase any.FurtiveFreddy said:
RedLeicester said:
You're lucky though as you target shoot, temporary permits allow neither storage nor purchase of Sec5 ammunition so it has to be lodged with an RFD until the new cert comes through.
A temporary permit will normally allow you to keep whatever Sec 5 ammo you have but not to purchase any.BASC said:
What if I experience a delay in renewal?
If you have returned your application for renewal in good time and are experiencing delays which may put you in unlawful possession of firearms, shotguns or ammunition when your certificate expires, then you should ask for a temporary Permit under Section 7 of the Firearms Act 1968. This will allow you to keep and use your firearms and shotguns and also, by virtue of Section 5(2)(a) of the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988, to purchase shotgun ammunition.
Unfortunately this will NOT allow you to possess expanding ammunition if you have any. This should be lodged with a registered firearms dealer until you have your renewed certificate.
If you have returned your application for renewal in good time and are experiencing delays which may put you in unlawful possession of firearms, shotguns or ammunition when your certificate expires, then you should ask for a temporary Permit under Section 7 of the Firearms Act 1968. This will allow you to keep and use your firearms and shotguns and also, by virtue of Section 5(2)(a) of the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988, to purchase shotgun ammunition.
Unfortunately this will NOT allow you to possess expanding ammunition if you have any. This should be lodged with a registered firearms dealer until you have your renewed certificate.
RedLeicester said:
FurtiveFreddy said:
RedLeicester said:
You're lucky though as you target shoot, temporary permits allow neither storage nor purchase of Sec5 ammunition so it has to be lodged with an RFD until the new cert comes through.
A temporary permit will normally allow you to keep whatever Sec 5 ammo you have but not to purchase any.BASC said:
What if I experience a delay in renewal?
If you have returned your application for renewal in good time and are experiencing delays which may put you in unlawful possession of firearms, shotguns or ammunition when your certificate expires, then you should ask for a temporary Permit under Section 7 of the Firearms Act 1968. This will allow you to keep and use your firearms and shotguns and also, by virtue of Section 5(2)(a) of the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988, to purchase shotgun ammunition.
Unfortunately this will NOT allow you to possess expanding ammunition if you have any. This should be lodged with a registered firearms dealer until you have your renewed certificate.
If you have returned your application for renewal in good time and are experiencing delays which may put you in unlawful possession of firearms, shotguns or ammunition when your certificate expires, then you should ask for a temporary Permit under Section 7 of the Firearms Act 1968. This will allow you to keep and use your firearms and shotguns and also, by virtue of Section 5(2)(a) of the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988, to purchase shotgun ammunition.
Unfortunately this will NOT allow you to possess expanding ammunition if you have any. This should be lodged with a registered firearms dealer until you have your renewed certificate.
They also often try and get around having to actually issue a S7 temp. permit by saying "don't worry, we have your temp. permit here on file". You should always get it in your hands, not rely on someone in an office somewhere telling you something which may not by the case.
FurtiveFreddy said:
If you have authority to possess sec. 5 ammunition on your certificate, they can put this on your temporary permit. As always, they often make up their own rules but you are entitled to have keep everything that's on your FAC.
They also often try and get around having to actually issue a S7 temp. permit by saying "don't worry, we have your temp. permit here on file". You should always get it in your hands, not rely on someone in an office somewhere telling you something which may not by the case.
Yep, it's a pig and a pain.They also often try and get around having to actually issue a S7 temp. permit by saying "don't worry, we have your temp. permit here on file". You should always get it in your hands, not rely on someone in an office somewhere telling you something which may not by the case.
Lincs police said:
If your certificate is due for expiry and you submitted your application in good time, you will receive a temporary permit. This is to cover the possession of your weapons whilst we process your renewal application. This does not include the possession of expanding ammunition.
Countryside Alliance said:
Liam Stokes of the Countryside Alliance said: “Each of these Section 7 permits hides a plethora of further problems beyond simple licensing inefficiency.
“Temporary permits do not allow the possession of items such as expanding ammunition, on which many thousands of deer stalkers, stockmen and pest controllers depend, often for their livelihoods.
“Temporary permits do not allow the possession of items such as expanding ammunition, on which many thousands of deer stalkers, stockmen and pest controllers depend, often for their livelihoods.
CA again said:
A department failing to process a renewal in the allotted time will result in the police having to issue a Section 7 Temporary Permit, so if the number of permits granted are high it shows a failing service. A Temporary Permit will allow you to keep hold of Section 1 and 2 firearms and ammunition, but it will not allow you to hold, use or buy Section 5 firearms and ammunition (which includes expanding ammunition which is necessary by law for stalking deer).
Indeed there's the submission to Parliament last month from the BSSC to the Policing and Crime Bill 2016:BSSC said:
The recent Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabularies’ report on firearms licensing made abundantly clear that very large numbers of certificates are not being renewed before the expiry date. This results in difficulties for police and certificate holders alike. The police either have to issue a Section 7 temporary permit (which however does not cover prohibited items such as expanding ammunition) which requires almost the same effort as granting a firearm certificate, or the shooter is required to lodge his firearms with a dealer, which curtails his sport (or indeed his business) and results in an unmerited financial penalty for which the police may become liable. BSSC suggests two measures to get around the foregoing difficulties. The first would be the extension of Section 7 temporary permits to cover Section 5 items held on FAC or SGC (mainly expanding ammunition but also pistols and disguised weapons).
Like all things FAC-related, it's a legal mess which is in desparate need of sorting out.RedLeicester said:
Like all things FAC-related, it's a legal mess which is in desparate need of sorting out.
Well, there actually is a chance this nonsense surrounding expired certificates, temporary permits and expanding ammunition will be gone sometime soon as there are amendments to the Policing and Crime Bill being debated right now which would remove these additional burdens and might even help to speed up grants and renewals from a snail's pace to a tortoise's pace...FurtiveFreddy said:
Well, there actually is a chance this nonsense surrounding expired certificates, temporary permits and expanding ammunition will be gone sometime soon as there are amendments to the Policing and Crime Bill being debated right now which would remove these additional burdens and might even help to speed up grants and renewals from a snail's pace to a tortoise's pace...
Yeah that's where that last quote came from. Here's to hoping!Went to a range in Oxnard near LA a couple of weeks back to try out a few pistols, out of interest.
I chatted to the guy in the store and told him a number of times that handguns are banned in the UK and although I have some rifle experience, it would be good to have some tuition.
He asked me what I wanted, so I chose the Sig 226 as it was almost identical to my own Sig 226 4mm BB pistol semi auto, except this was .40 cal. My girlfriend chose a small .22 target pistol.
I repeated the need for some tuition and the guy asked me 'if there are no handguns in your country, what do you do if someone attacks you'
I replied that because of the ban it would be pretty unlikely that the attacker would have a gun.
'I sure wouldn't wanna live in your country' he replied as he handed me a big tupperware box with our pistols inside along with some .22 and .40 ammo and two relevant mags.
Our only instruction was wear your ear defenders and goggles plus if the gun jams place it on the shelf with the barrel pointing down range and come back and ask for one of the guys.
So, thanks to telly, I loaded the mags, inserted them into the two pistols and we fired off a few shots. The kick from the .40 did take me by surprise the first time even though I held the gun using both hands and slowly squeezed the trigger.
I got good groupings I have to admit.
Once done with the ammo, I ejected the mags and racked the slides a few times, as I have also seen on telly, and place the guns back in their box.
For a laugh I asked for an M4 assault rifle, using those words, thinking that they would tell me to FO.
Guy didn't blink and handed me a semi auto AR15 from under his desk, a 10 bullet mag and 20 x .223. Instruction this time was keep the barrel pointing up until you get to your stall and put your target right at the furthest distance.
Oh, then he laughed, here in California we are not allowed quick release for the mags so it has to be a recessed button only accessible by a sharp tool or the point of a .223 bullet.
Easy to shoot and bloody loud in a confined space, good groupings again. I've only fired a .22 AR15 in the UK and that had to be on a biped on a table with myself seated in a chair.
I was quite pleased at my results standing with iron sights.
We were the only people in the range but as we left a load of good 'ol boys turned up, Yee Haw! One wanted to use a Democrat Poster he had nicked as a target.
I have to admit we would have felt pretty uncomfortable sharing the range with them and live ammo.
All in all, a good experience and another one off the bucket list.
I chatted to the guy in the store and told him a number of times that handguns are banned in the UK and although I have some rifle experience, it would be good to have some tuition.
He asked me what I wanted, so I chose the Sig 226 as it was almost identical to my own Sig 226 4mm BB pistol semi auto, except this was .40 cal. My girlfriend chose a small .22 target pistol.
I repeated the need for some tuition and the guy asked me 'if there are no handguns in your country, what do you do if someone attacks you'
I replied that because of the ban it would be pretty unlikely that the attacker would have a gun.
'I sure wouldn't wanna live in your country' he replied as he handed me a big tupperware box with our pistols inside along with some .22 and .40 ammo and two relevant mags.
Our only instruction was wear your ear defenders and goggles plus if the gun jams place it on the shelf with the barrel pointing down range and come back and ask for one of the guys.
So, thanks to telly, I loaded the mags, inserted them into the two pistols and we fired off a few shots. The kick from the .40 did take me by surprise the first time even though I held the gun using both hands and slowly squeezed the trigger.
I got good groupings I have to admit.
Once done with the ammo, I ejected the mags and racked the slides a few times, as I have also seen on telly, and place the guns back in their box.
For a laugh I asked for an M4 assault rifle, using those words, thinking that they would tell me to FO.
Guy didn't blink and handed me a semi auto AR15 from under his desk, a 10 bullet mag and 20 x .223. Instruction this time was keep the barrel pointing up until you get to your stall and put your target right at the furthest distance.
Oh, then he laughed, here in California we are not allowed quick release for the mags so it has to be a recessed button only accessible by a sharp tool or the point of a .223 bullet.
Easy to shoot and bloody loud in a confined space, good groupings again. I've only fired a .22 AR15 in the UK and that had to be on a biped on a table with myself seated in a chair.
I was quite pleased at my results standing with iron sights.
We were the only people in the range but as we left a load of good 'ol boys turned up, Yee Haw! One wanted to use a Democrat Poster he had nicked as a target.
I have to admit we would have felt pretty uncomfortable sharing the range with them and live ammo.
All in all, a good experience and another one off the bucket list.
croyde said:
Went to a range in Oxnard near LA a couple of weeks back to try out a few pistols, out of interest.
You did well to do that in California, many ranges in California won't let you 'rent' without proof of residency or citizenship. I got refused at a few places up in San Fran area when visiting friends back in 2006-9.I was over in Texas last month though and had pre-booked at a range before I left UK for an hours tactical rifle tuition, and after that it would have been rude not to have bought a box of .45ACP to run through a M1911 again given it had been 12 years since last doing so.
Just love the 1911 - would love to consider a vintage WW1 dated one here in UK on Section 7.3 but it's a lot of hassle/paperwork etc.
Edited by aeropilot on Wednesday 11th May 16:06
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