The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters

[Pesty]

Yeah looks same as that but wood so less tactical.

Wonder if I can put slugs in it and take it to the range

[FurtiveFreddy]

Pesty said:

Yeah looks same as that but wood so less tactical.

Wonder if I can put slugs in it and take it to the range

Yes, but you need to check your local range is cleared for that.
You could always come down to Bisley and have a go at target shotgun, shooting slug at targets like these back to 25yds:



The holes end up a bit bigger with slug, though

[Pesty]

Looks good like our targets but it's obviously quite windy there

Range is cleared for it no problem. Don't know if the shotgun is. At the very least I need to check what choke is in it.

Oh that reminds me I need to make some 308

[z4RRSchris]

Loads of chaps at the ground today with semi autos, only some of the posher grounds will you get old
Farts turn their nose up

[croyde]

I know you boys have real guns but I saw this air rifle in the flesh today and just had to have it.

A Sig Sauer MCX .177



Just been zeroing the included Sig sight in the garden and having a plinking session.

[Pesty]

Looks good just think if we lived in the states we could have a real one

[croyde]

Target is good. You can adjust the scope from 1X to 4X and thankfully, for me, there is a massive diopter adjustment.

[Pesty]

Thought it was in bacwords then realised it wasn't

[RedLeicester]

croyde said:

I know you boys have real guns but I saw this air rifle in the flesh today and just had to have it.

A Sig Sauer MCX .177



Just been zeroing the included Sig sight in the garden and having a plinking session.

I prefer the .22LR version.

[Pesty]

Different platform

That's the classic weapon system mcx is a ar alike with some neat mods so no buffer tube meaning foldable stock plus other things.


Enjoying my 15/22 1500 rounds so far no stoppages

[ChemicalChaos]

Evening all, a few quick questions.

Having been on a clay shoot today for the first time in a few years, I'd like to get back into it more. Ideally, I'd like to get my own gun rather than using the club guns which all differ slightly. However, the snag is I dont have the space or parental approval to have a gun or gun cabinet at home, which kinda makes having a shotgun licence a bit irrelevant. Do you need a licence if you have your own gun but it is kept at the firing range?
Secondly, I've noticed that semi-auto single barreled hunting guns seem to be much better value than a traditional double-barreled gun when looking at used guns online. Apart from the snob factor of not having a traditional gun, is there any drawback to these? I've noticed they are also chambered for 2+1 rather than just 2 rounds which I suppose adds to the versatility. Someone once mentioned that some firing ranges take a dim view of them because they arent visually safe like a broken-open traditional gun. Is this a big deal?

Thanks,
Matt

[Turn7]

Pesty, how did you get on at the clay grounds with the Auto ?

[RedLeicester]

ChemicalChaos said:

Evening all, a few quick questions.

Having been on a clay shoot today for the first time in a few years, I'd like to get back into it more. Ideally, I'd like to get my own gun rather than using the club guns which all differ slightly. However, the snag is I dont have the space or parental approval to have a gun or gun cabinet at home, which kinda makes having a shotgun licence a bit irrelevant. Do you need a licence if you have your own gun but it is kept at the firing range?
Secondly, I've noticed that semi-auto single barreled hunting guns seem to be much better value than a traditional double-barreled gun when looking at used guns online. Apart from the snob factor of not having a traditional gun, is there any drawback to these? I've noticed they are also chambered for 2+1 rather than just 2 rounds which I suppose adds to the versatility. Someone once mentioned that some firing ranges take a dim view of them because they arent visually safe like a broken-open traditional gun. Is this a big deal?

There is no snob factor around semis except among the town clubs who haven't a clue what happens in the real world outside the M25 or Cheshire. Yes the safety aspect of semis can be a very big deal for other people. The holder knows it's safe, but it's not as easily visible (if at all) to those around, unlike a broken gun. They're not "hunting guns", they're semi-automatic shotguns, and like other shotguns can be used for sport, game, vermin control, tac or any other pursuit you should so wish. Same as single barrelled, triple barreled, O/U or S/S. Some are 2+1, some are 4+1, some are 5+1 and some are 7+1 and occasionally you'll find a 9+1. You can't have anything over a 2+1 on a certificate. A cheap used S/S or SB kicks off at about £30, so I don't know where you're seeing all these cheap semis.

Gun cabinets are tiny, so they really don't take up much more space than a hoover. Or half a hoover with a break-down cab. However, you need a certificate to possess a shotgun, whether it is kept at your home with your parents, a home of your own if you ever get one, a friends home, a club, whatever. You cannot possess a shotgun without a certificate.

There is no licence.

[Pesty]

Turn7 said:

Pesty, how did you get on at the clay grounds with the Auto ?

Not been yet, we weee going to go last weekend but got cancelled hoping to try longer range with the 308 this weekend

[anonymous-user]

RedLeicester said:

There is no snob factor around semis except among the town clubs who haven't a clue what happens in the real world outside the M25 or Cheshire. Yes the safety aspect of semis can be a very big deal for other people. The holder knows it's safe, but it's not as easily visible (if at all) to those around, unlike a broken gun. They're not "hunting guns", they're semi-automatic shotguns, and like other shotguns can be used for sport, game, vermin control, tac or any other pursuit you should so wish. Same as single barrelled, triple barreled, O/U or S/S. Some are 2+1, some are 4+1, some are 5+1 and some are 7+1 and occasionally you'll find a 9+1. You can't have anything over a 2+1 on a certificate. A cheap used S/S or SB kicks off at about £30, so I don't know where you're seeing all these cheap semis.

Gun cabinets are tiny, so they really don't take up much more space than a hoover. Or half a hoover with a break-down cab. However, you need a certificate to possess a shotgun, whether it is kept at your home with your parents, a home of your own if you ever get one, a friends home, a club, whatever. You cannot possess a shotgun without a certificate.

There is no licence.

I would pretty much agree with the above.

I've had numerous cheap S/S and O/U guns, some of them very good for the money. Someone actually gave me an O/U gun for free a while ago, I think it was a BRNO or some other eastern Euro make and it was a cracking gun. I've bought a cheap O/U for £80 a couple of years ago and sold it again, also got a very tidy Lanber Sporter for £180 and a 2008 Lanber Sporter deluxe for £300.

Contrast that with the time I wanted a cheap semi-auto, the cheapest one I could find was a Hatsan and that was about £250 I think.

Also bear in mind the requirement to dismantle, clean and lubricate a semi auto, and the fact that it has many more moving parts which will wear out compared to a traditional double barrel. Many of the cheap semi's are of slightly dubious quality and don't be surprised if you have to try and find parts for them.

Add to this the fact that owning a double barrel means you can also go out on an actual shoot wether it be rough or walked-up shooting, or a traditional driven shoot. You don't really have that option with a semi auto as your only gun.

I sold my Hatsan semi auto as it was kind of pointless having it. I felt like a tt when I took it to a clay ground or charity clay shoot, couldn't use it for going pheasant shooting, and pretty much the only thing I used it for was a bit of occasional pest control.

Sure, if you already have a few traditional guns and fancy a semi then why not, but not for your only gun.

And the gun cabinet thing, they really do take up an absolutely tiny amount of space in a house. My first one was in the cupboard under the stairs and the literally took up a footprint of barely bigger than a piece of A5 paper, and that was good for 3 guns.

[RedLeicester]

NinjaPower said:

Also bear in mind the requirement to dismantle, clean and lubricate a semi auto, and the fact that it has many more moving parts which will wear out compared to a traditional double barrel. Many of the cheap semi's are of slightly dubious quality and don't be surprised if you have to try and find parts for them.

Not to mention the cheapie ones being spectacularly picky over ammunition and will commonly jam or refuse to cycle certain loads.

[aeropilot]

RedLeicester said:

ChemicalChaos said:

Evening all, a few quick questions.

Having been on a clay shoot today for the first time in a few years, I'd like to get back into it more. Ideally, I'd like to get my own gun rather than using the club guns which all differ slightly. However, the snag is I dont have the space or parental approval to have a gun or gun cabinet at home, which kinda makes having a shotgun licence a bit irrelevant. Do you need a licence if you have your own gun but it is kept at the firing range?
Secondly, I've noticed that semi-auto single barreled hunting guns seem to be much better value than a traditional double-barreled gun when looking at used guns online. Apart from the snob factor of not having a traditional gun, is there any drawback to these? I've noticed they are also chambered for 2+1 rather than just 2 rounds which I suppose adds to the versatility. Someone once mentioned that some firing ranges take a dim view of them because they arent visually safe like a broken-open traditional gun. Is this a big deal?

Gun cabinets are tiny, so they really don't take up much more space than a hoover. Or half a hoover with a break-down cab. However, you need a certificate to possess a shotgun, whether it is kept at your home with your parents, a home of your own if you ever get one, a friends home, a club, whatever. You cannot possess a shotgun without a certificate.

I think the pertinent line in his post, is that he said he doesn't have parental consent for a gun cabinet in his parents home, so, if he wants to apply for a SGC he needs to sort out the 'where' the gun would be kept prior to any application....which does make life a tad difficult in terms of logistics.

[anonymous-user]

RedLeicester said:

NinjaPower said:

Also bear in mind the requirement to dismantle, clean and lubricate a semi auto, and the fact that it has many more moving parts which will wear out compared to a traditional double barrel. Many of the cheap semi's are of slightly dubious quality and don't be surprised if you have to try and find parts for them.

Not to mention the cheapie ones being spectacularly picky over ammunition and will commonly jam or refuse to cycle certain loads.

Absolutely.

Thankfully my Hatstand cycled anything I used, I've seen people with the same gun have it jam all the time when using different kinds of cartridges.

Cheap semi autos are cheap for a reason.

Double barrel all day long if it's your only gun.

[anonymous-user]

aeropilot said:

I think the pertinent line in his post, is that he said he doesn't have parental consent for a gun cabinet in his parents home, so, if he wants to apply for a SGC he needs to sort out the 'where' the gun would be kept prior to any application....which does make life a tad difficult in terms of logistics.

You are correct.

I guess the only thing he could do is try to persuade his parents that he wants to enjoy the 'finer' aspects of shooting. The tweed jackets, country estates, social occasions and the fun of a clay shooting club with other country gents and ladies.

That's the angle I would approach it. Tell them you will meet nice people through the sport. Posh young girls with millionaire landowner fathers and suchlike

If I was still living at my parents and came home with some of the guns that get posted in this thread, my parents would automatically assume I was some sort of 'gun weirdo' who has a collection of camouflage and knifes, and who will probably shoot up a school one day, and I must admit, that's how I sometimes view those kind of weapons, and that's often what parents think of when 'guns' are mentioned.

But because I'm into tweed jackets and shotguns, they love it.

[V40Vinnie]

NinjaPower said:

Absolutely.

Thankfully my Hatstand cycled anything I used, I've seen people with the same gun have it jam all the time when using different kinds of cartridges.

Cheap semi autos are cheap for a reason.

Double barrel all day long if it's your only gun.

The Hatsan Autos were kind of built to be lobbed in the back of the landie. When we were selling them in our shop in stafford we found that they really didn't like 28gram loads with the gun out the box and it was often better to stick a few boxes of something with a bit of oomph in them to break them in. Reliable but not very refined