The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters

[anonymous-user]

Don't know if this has been asked before, but how much space do you need from a legal and practical perspective in order to shoot clays in your own garden?

When I say garden, I should really say field.

I fancy buying one of those new Promatic automatic clay traps that you can get for about £350, so that me, my dad and my brother can smash a few clays and have a few beers at my parents house now and again.

They have a large garden which is surrounded by a field, which is also theirs.

If anyone can give me some pointers in the legality of shooting at home, it would be much appreciated.

[-Pete-]

Tonsko said:

as an aside, why do manual quotes never work on this bloody site?

You have to attribute them to someobody, for example quote=Fred

Fred said:

See?

[z4RRSchris]

What's the definition of a clay shoot? Taking payment?

In practice I've shot loads and loads of times at people's farms when I didn't have a cert. I doubt it's policed in any way.

I would think you want to own about 1km in all directions from where you are shooting

[anonymous-user]

z4RRSchris said:

What's the definition of a clay shoot? Taking payment?

It must be something to do with payment as you say.

I can't imagine letting your friends have a go at some clays while they are round at your house would be classed as running a clay shoot or operating a clay ground??

[cjs racing.]

The wife picked this up for me today, as a late Christmas gift.

[Turn7]

Air Arms tx200 with a tbt drop in kit - lovely smoooth and acurate.

[Ziplobb]

cjs racing. said:

The wife picked this up for me today, as a late Christmas gift.

these are superb they are the best (I reckon) of the co2 replicas

[Ziplobb]

Tonsko said:

Looking at air rifles. I've decided tha tI can't be bothered with PCP or CO2. Thinking I may go for a gas ram over springer - currently leaning towards a Weihrauch HW90K w/ Hawke 3-9 x 40scope.

Thoughts?

HW90 is a great rifle but its heavy - have you looked at the HW95K ? in the real world it will do everything you want and is a good couple of pounds lighted than a 90

[Turn7]

Tonsko said:

I have actually, was looking at the 95/97 Ks, then saw the gas one. A bit cheaper too!

I've only ever used breakbarrels - what is the advantage with underlevers?

In theory, the fixed barrell is more accurate. In practice, theres not a huge difference. I prefer underlevers myself.

[johnbaz]

Ziplobb said:

HW90 is a great rifle but its heavy - have you looked at the HW95K ? in the real world it will do everything you want and is a good couple of pounds lighted than a 90

I had a HW90 (Swapped it for a Venom tuned and Blued HW35

Strangely, My 98 feels heavier than the 90




John

[cjs racing.]

Ziplobb said:

cjs racing. said:

The wife picked this up for me today, as a late Christmas gift.

these are superb they are the best (I reckon) of the co2 replicas

I hope so, I have yet to shoot it. I also have a CP88, CP99,and a 1911. I like them all, so hope this is at least as good, if not better.

[Turn7]

Tonsko said:

Turn7 said:

In theory, the fixed barrell is more accurate. In practice, theres not a huge difference. I prefer underlevers myself.

What makes you prefer them? I can honestly say I like the idea of a breakbarrel because that is what my dad had when I first started using airguns when I was young. That's it though

I think its the fact the whole rifle seems more thought out, combined with rubbish break barrels as a kid.
Plus my last tx200 was the nicest most accurate springer Ive ever shot.

[Mannginger]

cjs racing. said:

The wife picked this up for me today, as a late Christmas gift.

Looks lovely. How do those cartridges work though? Are the single use or re-loadable?

Edit - ignore, I watched a quick clip on Youtube, which despite it showing a bb rather than pellet version showed the principle. Looks fun!

Edited by Mannginger on Saturday 31st December 08:10

[hantsxlg]

Pickes up my first ever gun yesterday. A beretta silver pigeon 1. Can't wait to get out and give her a try, and trying to arrange a lesson for first outing...

[Mannginger]

What to put on my FAC application?

At the moment I'm exclusively indoor target range, not yet ventured into full bore shooting yet so I'm thinking the following:

.22 semi-auto rifle
.22 Bolt action rifle
.357 centre-fire gallery rifle

I think this will cover off all my main asks but I have limited experience in the centre fire gallery rifles. Is .357 the default option or would I be better off looking at .44 / .45? I'm not making my own ammo, is there a big difference in performance / cost? I'd also probably want the option to fit a scope on the CF weapon, again are there any practical limitations to consider (EG: 44/45 manufacturers tending to have fewer mounting options etc?)

Should I pop in an option for a full-bore rifle anyway, in the off-chance that I get into that? Is it easier to add in all options to begin with? If so what's most likely candidate? 5.56? 7.62?

Cheers in advance for any guidance you can offer.

[aeropilot]

Mannginger said:

What to put on my FAC application?

At the moment I'm exclusively indoor target range, not yet ventured into full bore shooting yet so I'm thinking the following:

.22 semi-auto rifle
.22 Bolt action rifle
.357 centre-fire gallery rifle

I think this will cover off all my main asks but I have limited experience in the centre fire gallery rifles. Is .357 the default option or would I be better off looking at .44 / .45? I'm not making my own ammo, is there a big difference in performance / cost? I'd also probably want the option to fit a scope on the CF weapon, again are there any practical limitations to consider (EG: 44/45 manufacturers tending to have fewer mounting options etc?)

Should I pop in an option for a full-bore rifle anyway, in the off-chance that I get into that? Is it easier to add in all options to begin with? If so what's most likely candidate? 5.56? 7.62?

Cheers in advance for any guidance you can offer.

Well, the first think to ask is does your club have access to full bore facilities, either is your club range certified for full bore gallery and does it shoot/have access to other outdoor ranges such as Bisley etc.
If no is the answer to those questions you will have to join a club etc that does, as you won't be able to justify adding full bore to the FAC application.
You can't just add say a 7.62, in the off-chance of getting into something. That's not how it works I'm afraid.

If your range is indoor, and is certified for pistol calibre full bore such as 357/44/45 etc, then an underlever in any of those calibres is fine.
.357/.38SPL is definately the cheaper option if you buy ammo. If you want to fit optics (and I really don't understand why on earth people feel the need to do that for shooting at 25m distances - but there we go) then you really need to be looking for a Marlin as they are the things that are best suited to fitting a mount for optics)
You can fit them to a Henry as well, but, Henry's don't have a side loading gate which puts people off. It is possible to fit mounts to a Rossi, but not so easy as a Marlin. Which is why Marlins are so popular, but all the Marlins I've shot have been horrible things to use, and I have no idea why people like them.
It's not the calibre that defines what you can fit optics to, its the type of action. For example, Uberti make a copy of the 1873 Winchester, with a toggle action and top ejection, so, you can't fit scope mounts to a 1873 type action, that why you need something with a 1892 or 1894 type action.

[Mannginger]

aeropilot said:

Well, the first think to ask is does your club have access to full bore facilities, either is your club range certified for full bore gallery and does it shoot/have access to other outdoor ranges such as Bisley etc.
If no is the answer to those questions you will have to join a club etc that does, as you won't be able to justify adding full bore to the FAC application.
You can't just add say a 7.62, in the off-chance of getting into something. That's not how it works I'm afraid.

If your range is indoor, and is certified for pistol calibre full bore such as 357/44/45 etc, then an underlever in any of those calibres is fine.
.357/.38SPL is definately the cheaper option if you buy ammo. If you want to fit optics (and I really don't understand why on earth people feel the need to do that for shooting at 25m distances - but there we go) then you really need to be looking for a Marlin as they are the things that are best suited to fitting a mount for optics)
You can fit them to a Henry as well, but, Henry's don't have a side loading gate which puts people off. It is possible to fit mounts to a Rossi, but not so easy as a Marlin. Which is why Marlins are so popular, but all the Marlins I've shot have been horrible things to use, and I have no idea why people like them.
It's not the calibre that defines what you can fit optics to, its the type of action. For example, Uberti make a copy of the 1873 Winchester, with a toggle action and top ejection, so, you can't fit scope mounts to a 1873 type action, that why you need something with a 1892 or 1894 type action.

Ah fine that makes sense. We're not rated for full bore but are for pistol calibre full-bore.

Cheers for the other info!

[Nick_MSM]

hantsxlg said:

Pickes up my first ever gun yesterday. A beretta silver pigeon 1. Can't wait to get out and give her a try, and trying to arrange a lesson for first outing...

Really enjoyed mine in the few months I've had it so far.

[aeropilot]

Nick_MSM said:

hantsxlg said:

Pickes up my first ever gun yesterday. A beretta silver pigeon 1. Can't wait to get out and give her a try, and trying to arrange a lesson for first outing...

Really enjoyed mine in the few months I've had it so far.

Was hoping to try one this weekend, but my dealer has just sold his demo gun this week, so have one of those new Benelli 682U to try out instead, see if I get on better with that than I did with the Beretta 692 I had on demo a couple of weeks ago.

[Googie]

Hi All

Just wondering if anyone knows whether Sporting Targets in Bedford is open on Monday 2nd January. There are no details of opening hours on ther website and keen to avoid a wasted journey...

Failing that details of any other grounds open on Monday on a pay and play basis in Central/South of England would be appreciated .

Thanks